My explorer motor/gt40p buildup and drop into 86gt Vert PICS!!!

ECU5.0 said:
looks good man, i wish i could have found a motor out of an explorer like 4 months ago when i started building mine. oh well i got a block for free and than spent about 900 on everything else to freshen it up and get the heads done.

I was hoping you would see this :)

that's ok, because it sounds like you wound up with a completely rebuilt engine, which is great. I'm running it with the original miles from the explorer roll over (60k) which is low, but not virgin. Hell, I could fire it up and the engine be bogus. Hopefully not though.

This is gonna be fun, i've been driving my wifes turbo jetta, my 5.8L bronco, and my work truck a ford escape 3.0 for way too long, I need this burst of power. I'm real scared I'm gonna go out and drive it like a teenage the first time out since there are technically no new parts to break in.

I wish to hell I had the dough to buy your tremec 500.
 
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v8only said:
I was hoping you would see this :)


I wish to hell I had the dough to buy your tremec 500.

haha, i was hoping you would see that my tranny was for sale. its probably going to be forsale for a long time, ive had one person express interest but they didnt have any money. im trying to get a c4 since i dont drive the car but like 2 times a week now.

good luck with that motor, dont go blowing it up just yet...haha.
 
ECU5.0 said:
haha, i was hoping you would see that my tranny was for sale. its probably going to be forsale for a long time, ive had one person express interest but they didnt have any money. im trying to get a c4 since i dont drive the car but like 2 times a week now.

good luck with that motor, dont go blowing it up just yet...haha.


i've got a mustang guy local who wants to sell me a small bell c4 and the necessary 50 oz 157 tooth flexplate for $100. what a deal. I can't believe I've never taken him up on it.
 
When you say that early SD cams are fairly good is this excluding the 88's? With all the junkers around I am pretty sure I could pick up a set of heads fairly easily for cheap. I would not really be interested in rebuilding bottom end but I am just wondering that if I can do these heads and keep my intake, perhaps with porting, and do a MA conversion do you think it would be worth it until I could afford the whole rebuild with aluminum heads, new intake, etc.. after I finish school. And idea on power without a tune? With? Thnx. This has really sparked some interest in me. :D
 
awsome thread.....v8only! congrats on the explorer engine. I'm in the process of doing nearly the same thing. I have a 91 GT with a 86 engine in it (previous owner)....that I am about to swap out with something. Right now I just previously bought a 1990 GT with 125,000 miles on it but man it looks bad! prolly because of all the oil and filth on the engine. Thinking now of buying an explorer or Mountaineer engine from a junkyard and going nearly same route as yourself. with a few exceptions...

According to what your posted above I have to change
1.the oil pan, pump,oil pump drive, and oil pickup correct?
2. the dist.
3. what about the waterpump, timing chain, etc...fan spacer?
4. my buddys telling me to leave the stock valve springs on the engine, but I'm wanting to upgrade them.......guess I could get it running and do that later?
5. my car is a daily drive and I know the P heads have different exhaust header because of the spark plug angles but did any ever consider that the P headers will fit a regular E7 set of heads if ever then went back to those or wanted to upgrade headers then later on buy a set of p heads??...they do I've done it before, and actually they have longer runners which help promote scavenging! kewl stuff!
6. currently I plan on running a stock T-5 with a freshen up as well. Best money you can spend will be on a after market shifter (with stops if you dont already have it). I power shift every now and again, and get this 12 years driving later model stangs (82 Gt thru 94 cobra) and I've never broken a T-5 yet! LOL.........I think the positive stop shifter makes all the difference in the world.

I'm prolly gonna leave the stock explorer cam in my rig for the time being.....and just wanted to state......dude if you have all of what you say you have you should have NO trouble running high 12's on motor alone.

awsome post and great pictures..........good luck and keep us posted. I'll try to throw up a few pics myself when I get my swap started. I've actually debated on rebuilding the 90 model motor vs. swaping in the explorer/mountaineer engine and have just about decided to go the way you have..........because of the engines being newer etc....
thanks for the insperation! :hail2:
Jack
 
jackchan said:
awsome thread.....v8only! congrats on the explorer engine. I'm in the process of doing nearly the same thing. I have a 91 GT with a 86 engine in it (previous owner)....that I am about to swap out with something. Right now I just previously bought a 1990 GT with 125,000 miles on it but man it looks bad! prolly because of all the oil and filth on the engine. Thinking now of buying an explorer or Mountaineer engine from a junkyard and going nearly same route as yourself. with a few exceptions...

According to what your posted above I have to change
1.the oil pan, pump,oil pump drive, and oil pickup correct?
2. the dist.
3. what about the waterpump, timing chain, etc...fan spacer?
4. my buddys telling me to leave the stock valve springs on the engine, but I'm wanting to upgrade them.......guess I could get it running and do that later?
5. my car is a daily drive and I know the P heads have different exhaust header because of the spark plug angles but did any ever consider that the P headers will fit a regular E7 set of heads if ever then went back to those or wanted to upgrade headers then later on buy a set of p heads??...they do I've done it before, and actually they have longer runners which help promote scavenging! kewl stuff!
6. currently I plan on running a stock T-5 with a freshen up as well. Best money you can spend will be on a after market shifter (with stops if you dont already have it). I power shift every now and again, and get this 12 years driving later model stangs (82 Gt thru 94 cobra) and I've never broken a T-5 yet! LOL.........I think the positive stop shifter makes all the difference in the world.

I'm prolly gonna leave the stock explorer cam in my rig for the time being.....and just wanted to state......dude if you have all of what you say you have you should have NO trouble running high 12's on motor alone.

awsome post and great pictures..........good luck and keep us posted. I'll try to throw up a few pics myself when I get my swap started. I've actually debated on rebuilding the 90 model motor vs. swaping in the explorer/mountaineer engine and have just about decided to go the way you have..........because of the engines being newer etc....
thanks for the insperation! :hail2:
Jack


thanks!!! If you use the stock explorer cam, it's ok to use the valve springs. However, I wouldn't suggest using that explorer cam, it won't rev at all, neither will the valve springs. I'd use, at a minimum a ho cam and ho mustang springs (I went tfs springs) my bro, doing the same swap went with a tfs stage one cam. Now, after all the dough I've spent, i'm wishing I would have too.

You're gonna have to swap the mustang timing chain cover and water pump/brackets and accessories on anyhow, so may as well swap out the cam and valve springs, it'll be WELL worth your time. I found out, the oil pumps in the explorers are the same as mustangs, it's only the pickup tube that's different, but you'd be crazy not to spend the $20 on a new melling autozone oil pump. ALso, spend the $20 on the frpp oil pump driveshaft, it'll ensure safety, and it not twisting. don't use the arp driveshaft for the oil pump, only the frpp claims to be exact fit height wise ( i verified this claim) where the arp, you'll have to grind down to fit.

Everything is straight forward. pull the pain, oil pump, pickup tube, swap the mustang stuff on, yank the intake, lifters, accessories, timing cover, and cam, swap the mustang cam on, better valve springs, mustang timing chain cover and water pump, and go.

the frpp shorties that are built NOW (some of the olders won't work) will fit ALL heads, p or not.

also, you'll be using the complete ignition system and fuel rails from the HO mustang engine. (explorer injectors are 19 pounds with a better spray and will work fine with the mustang fuel rails) the explorer is distributerless obd2, and you'll be converting back to an eec IV setup.

important to note for ALL 96 and some 97 explorers got the gt40 heads. mid 97 or so to 01 got the gt40p heads. ONLY 96 and early 97 motors had the intakes drilled for the egr necessary for smog. My gt40p 97 motor DID have the internal egr passeges, but I was lucky to find a crossover engine, as most of the gt40p engines won't have the egr ports in the intake (I'm from cali, god bless the smog program)

You'll need to drill the heads for the smog tubes in back. However, I did not. the smog tubes ONLY work when the engine is cold, and when the engine warms up, air is diverted to the cats, SO, to pass smog functionally speaking, you never smog your car cold, therefore those smog tubes on the heads won't matter, as the air from the smog pump will already have been diverted to the cats. just make it "look" functional to pass the visual.

i'm in process of writing a massive writeup with TONS of pictures on this, but it won't be done for a couple of months yet. It will be on my 50stangs site along with my clutch adjustment article that most have seen here already.
 
thanks for all the great info. The engine I'm eyeing is a 2000 model. so it will have the GT-40 "P"'s.

I have a buddy who was stateing just "throw that sucker in"(explorer engine) and away you go. But I knew it would be a little more than that.

do you know the part number of the TFS springs, locks retainers? Who did you purchase those from? I have a set of #24 injectors that I will likely install during all the swaping. As well as a (already calibrated for the #24 injectors)75mm bullet Pro-M mass air meter and I'll probabably go ahead and purchase a 65mm throttlebody as well. And while I'm spending I might as well go ahead and purchase myself a good camshaft too. I guess I could yank the cam from the 90 motor if money gets tight but I'd prolly feel better to just purchase a new one with 0 miles on it....:)

Like you suggested, I'll also install a new oil pump and FRPP oil pump drive shaft, and prolly a new water pump to boot. All these parts will add up quick but heck if your gonna do it do it right the first time and you'll always be glad you did in the long run. My list if growing long and fast........but all with be worth in the end.

I'll likely go with the MAC products GT-40 "P" headers.......I ran those before and have always had good luck with MAC stuff in the past, and They may actually be a few bucks cheaper than the FRPP headers. I guess if I have to get by with anything I should get by with a stock TB.....that is something I can always add later and plus its easy to get to....

aight then.........gonna make my list and check it twice.
thanks again.
Jack
 
F/S = Factory Stock Class which does not allow porting of stock parts.

The cams in the HO motors from '85 (5 speed only) through August '88 had the same cam profile which had more aggfressive ramps than the cams after that. Ford changed the lobes to reduce "valve train noise".
 
Ok, I get it, thanks for the info on that.

I'm hoping for 225 at the wheels, but trying to be conservative so I don't get disappointed.

you can re use the 65 mm throttle body from the explorer, but have to adapt it, I haven't done that yet, and not sure if i'm going to bother.

those 24 pound injectors are going to be likely too much, unless you're making in excess of 300 horse.

I used summit for the valve springs. don't have the part #s offhand, but it's a very common kit.
 
ok heres the deal. my stock 5.0 motor has only about 10,000 miles on it.

(I built it for my wife, and then she realized she wanted something else, so i am stuck with a stock mustang... it sucks!)

so i don't want to replace the whole motor because this one is fresh. So all i need is the heads and intake off a 97-01 explorer? now i have BBK LT headers and they were a pain to put in, would they work with the new heads? and which throttle body is better to use, the mustang or explorer? is there anything else i need to know about before i get in too deep, and can't pull out?

please let me know.... thanks in advance! :nice:
 
the long tubes are supose to work with the "P" heads but I can not verify that because I haven't ran long tubes with any "p" heads. with the longer tubes coming out of the LT headers it clears the spark plugs better than a set of stock shorties.......therefore are supose to work in theory!.....
But yes the heads, and upper and lower intake are way better than stock E7's to the tune of 40+ horses according to a magazine article in one of the popular mags. The throttle body has some issues...........cant remember what but i have one of the explorer tb's in my shop.......so I will check tonight when I get home and post pictures and info. I had a explorer intake and P heads on a car about 5 years ago and loved it. I'd say it prolly produced around 275 or more horses at the wheels with stock ho cam. I ran 6.96 and 6.97 back to back on the irvington, Alabama track but it's 60 ft shorter than a normal 1/8 mile track and I dont know the conversion :shrug: prolly about 4 tenths.........that was on 100 horse Nitrous system too.....3;73 gears, 26x8 mt slicks on 10 hole wheels,65mm throttle body, pro chamber h-pipe, with flowmasters, dumps, and stock rocker arms. I've sold off a lot of those parts since then including the car! I did however hang on to my injectors, mass air meter, and nitrous kit! :)
 
Drilling and tapping the throttle body shaft can be a tricky situation - I also have a how-to convert it on my website under "tech" that shows another way to do it.

If you need to retain emissions function, you need to find a 96-early 97 Explorer intake with the internal EGR passages like the stock intake. It's a bolt-on after drilling and tapping the ACT and EGR coolant return line holes in the lower. Use your old EGR spacer if your using the stock 60mm TB or buy a 65mm EGR spacer if you use the Explorer 65mm TB.
 
tmoss said:
Drilling and tapping the throttle body shaft can be a tricky situation - I also have a how-to convert it on my website under "tech" that shows another way to do it.

If you need to retain emissions function, you need to find a 96-early 97 Explorer intake with the internal EGR passages like the stock intake. It's a bolt-on after drilling and tapping the ACT and EGR coolant return line holes in the lower. Use your old EGR spacer if your using the stock 60mm TB or buy a 65mm EGR spacer if you use the Explorer 65mm TB.


Thanks for the tip. I'd like to re use the explorer thrtottle body, so I'm going to check out your link, and follow that. WOrst comes to worst, I'm local to brothers, and they have a sidewalk sale in a couple of weeks, and i'm hoping to find a used cheap 65mm throttle body.

ALso, In all my eagerness, I kinda let myself down on my research. ALthough I knowingly did NOT drill for the act sensor (I'm going to put it elsewhere, perhaps the airbox? Can I let it hang?

HOWEVER, I didn't even think about that darn coolent line for the egr, and now that everything is pretty much together, I certainly don't want to pull it apart at this moment in time to drill (in the future, no doubt I will)

being in california, with fair warm weather, will the egr function properly still without these coolant lines? I'm thinking of connecting dummy lines for smog, or taking it apart and drilling at that point, but I'd like to be sure my egr setup now isn't going to make the car run like crap or anything.
 
You can drill and tap with the intake in place if your careful. Use a thin nozzle on a shop vac right next to the drill bit to suck up shavings when drilling. Then, use grease on the tap while tapping to collect the shavings (like done when installing a oil return for a blower in the pan). 9/16" drill bit with a 1/2" shank for a 1/2 drill motor and a 3/8" NPT tap for both the ACT and EGR return holes.
 
Webshot....and before you get real excited -- check out the motor. There are LOTS of extremely high mileage Explorer/Mountaineer motors out there that have been poorly maintained by soccer moms with short blocks that need to be completely rebuilt. So be careful what you buy if you're hoping to simply swap it into your Stang and drive off into the sunset...
 
Mine had 60k miles and no sludge. The rods had slight copper showing and the rings were carboned. The oil rings were totally plugged. A few 2nd rings were stuck. One head was slightly warped so maybe it got hot.

I figure rings,oil pump,rod bearings,cam,springs,timing chain,mill heads,gaskets, roller rockers $600.00 then add $200 for misc stuff

$550 bargain turns into $1550.00 bargain.