Tasca Day 06 factory stock proposed rules
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DoubleONegative said:
Mod motor(M/M is a pro comp style class.. You get the pro tree like heads up classes.. Wich seams that most people like.. And you get a .1 break out desided on you fastest qualifying time.....Say your fastest time in qualifying is 13.90. In elims your now set at 13.80...IMO.. its the easest way for a novice to have fun and hopfully go a few rounds...
IMO thats the type of class a novice should run to get their feet wet.. Problem with Tasca day is,, M/M is only for modular engine cars.. There is no pro comp class for push valves.. My true sujestion is to let the push valves run in M/M and just call it Open Comp O/C and leave F/S to the people that have been running the class..When you get to the times F/S runs you are going to have purpase built race parts in a N/A car...If you don't your going to spend tons of money on factory parts that are going to break..
mricci
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I dont think youll get many people in that class. Most people i know that have mustangs that drive on the street would not fit those rules. And people that will fit them probalby wont be lining up to race.
Wayne S said:Yes
No thoughts on S/S class rules ?
I really don't think I should have a say in the rules .I feel that class sponsers or the guys that race in the class should have a say ...
If you would like my opinion on what I feel a particular type of car could run just ask..
All I can say is whoever is going to come up with some type of format for such a raceday should always keep this in mind "IT's ALL FOR FUN"..
Keep the rules VERY simple (VISUAL INSPECTION ONLY) and limit the amount of classes....The track HATES several classes with low car counts .
This is what KILLED the MHRA.These are the things I tried to do when it all started in 1994 with RODMAN FORD DAY when I worked there ..After it was a HUGE success (450 cars ) we called in FUN FORD WEEKEND...Shortly after, I left Rodman and called upon my friend Ralph Porier at tasca too see if they wanted to keep it going ...They did with the tech. help from the guys at Karl's
east coast..For me, racing and being involved with the rule making always proved to be a conflict of intrest so some always said ......
So one piece of advice, keep it simple and they will come. If they don't come to support what they all say they love then they are just a bunch of keybourd bench racers who should say nothing at all..........ERIC
Mr GT 02
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I LIKE THOSE RULES!!!
I just dont like the fact that u cant have a bigger tire size than 275....
I just dont like the fact that u cant have a bigger tire size than 275....
The proposed rules are un-realistic, over the 5+yrs i have been into mustangs, car counts @ the local races have been certainly not been growing, and certainly wont grow when you eliminate cars with rules.
I'd love to know how many guys like the rules and will participate in such a class. IMO those cars eliminate more cars than they include, what about the V6 guys?
I raced a few time @ the mhra when it was @ NED, and EVERYTIME i got mowed down in the 2nd round, but i still had FUN, did i say why am i one of 2 cars that are not trailered here in the "steet" class, no, did i propose rules that were favorable to me?
I suggest looking into bracket racing, i believe you can run a pro-tree in bracket's. Since bracket racing is the best was to keep things equal, if there are no sand baggers, you'll have a great time. And wont even have to put weight in your "stock" car
I'd love to know how many guys like the rules and will participate in such a class. IMO those cars eliminate more cars than they include, what about the V6 guys?
I raced a few time @ the mhra when it was @ NED, and EVERYTIME i got mowed down in the 2nd round, but i still had FUN, did i say why am i one of 2 cars that are not trailered here in the "steet" class, no, did i propose rules that were favorable to me?
I suggest looking into bracket racing, i believe you can run a pro-tree in bracket's. Since bracket racing is the best was to keep things equal, if there are no sand baggers, you'll have a great time. And wont even have to put weight in your "stock" car
Wayne S said:
ERIC LAFERRIERE said:
I agree 100%........Thing that seams to suck these days is The people who race seam to forget FUN is job one....(Not to get off topic since most reading this might not understand this part)...Look how anol Quickstreet guys have gotten' They are getting so ubsest(spelling) with their little racing click in the world of their minds they forgot wy they started racing in the first place.......By them the racers being so anol about things they are tredding on thin ice on loosing the sport/hobby they picked to have fun in....................
Sad part is the more simpler you try to make rules.. The more faster the racers them selfs try to take advantage of them... No tech person in their right mind willingly will make their jobs harder on them selfs......
Don't get what your trying to say here, Are you just venting?Superskwrl said:
Superskwrl and others who seam to be not looking at the subject at hand here in this thread....
"IF" this class Is writen into the the Tasca day program.. There will be no loosing out on anything that has already been going on with factory stock and the stock class as of 2005..... Factory stock and stock from what ive seen are pretty much capable of running the same times.....Old STK class rules are getting tweeked a tad to combine the old classes...
Object is to make a class to get typical street cars out of brackets and into heads up racing... Some people here seem to be stuck on the issue of keeping these cars in brackets.......How many of you have seen or took notice of how many street cars were throughn into the brackets?
IMO its about giving typical street cars an option to run heads up or brackets.. Not just race brackets or sit in the stands...... In factory stock and stk this year you really needed at least a 12.5 or you were out in the first round..How many typical N/A street cars around here are capable of running 12.5 or even high 12s?
Some might say hey well if a novice want's to try heads up they should be or get use to going out in the first round.......Well I have news for these people......If there are 100 cars in a bracket class 50 cars are getting sent out in the first round.....There is no diffrence people..........
All I heard on here so far is ooooooo this class sucks blaaa blaaaaa......How many so far have given any input on the rules or wy so and so rule should be this way or that way.......
Soooo so far I have not heard one complaint from a person with a 5.0 Who said there 14/13sec car would not fit the rules because they drive around the streets with front tires under the size of 205s......I have not heard one modular guy say he does not like heads up style racingME said:
PS: no one said a v6 or a I4 can not run the class by the way......They could also run factory stock in 2005......Now I would rather see a v6 have a better chance against a 14/13 secand street car then a 12.5 drag/street car
Keep the replys coming
Race weight is in the rules. Race weight includes driver..Most 2V stangs are at least a tad over 3250stock..Mine with out the spare tire and 1/4 tank of gas was 3390.Superskwrl said:
But lets stick with 3250........3400-3250=s 150Lb driver
150Lbs driver+3250=s3400.....
Well A few of us have put our heads together and tride to figure an easy weight for cars to get at even with a little weight out. My car at 3012 race weight has gone 12.85 at 108mph with 275 nittos stock 3.27 gears.. I would concider a light car an unfair advantage against most heavy street cars... For instance say a 3500Lbs car had 260Whp..Superskwrl said:
And a 3000Pound car had 260Whp....The 3000Lb car has about a 50hp advantage on the 3500Lb car.Rule of thumb every100Lbs=10hp
Thanks for the ?s
mricci
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I dotn think the rules are bad, i just dont think many mustangs that people want to race will fit these rules. I know mine and my friends definitely wont. Whats the one of the first things people do, at least around here an intake, and rear control arms are high up on that list. Thats just one example, that wont fit these rules.
mricci said:
Intakes and control arms are allowed with in these rules..
Infact almost every bolt-on that a back yard mechanic is cabable of putting on the car is in the rules.. Most street cars I see at car cruises and wed/fri street nights will fit the class..... What it will take for the class to work is good word of mouth and trying to get people wile teching in to run the class who's cars fit..........
What I mostly see who are the people that think this will not work is your typical drag racer....This class is not meant for them, they already have classes their cars fit and run in.....
If I was to tech this class which I hope Im able to.. If say a guy had a car that fit the rules but one part he had did not fit the rules..
For instance a person had a 2001 GT with 18x10 back wheels and had nittos larger then 275 on them rims.. But he had a 5000watt system and car was way over the minimum weight of 3400Lbs.....Say car above was 3700Lbs with driver....Now if the person brought A few people who raced the class to my attention and said they would not mind the guy running the class....I would not see a problem with the person running the car in the class,,Long as by some merical he did not run away from the class,,,Like say the class was running 13.5s and a person ran 12.7s....Thats the type of stuff I would be looking at........
Superskwrl said:
Im willing to bet at least 30% of cars that were running no box bracket class would fit this class....With at least 50% of mod motor that would fit this class.. The class would also have a great turn out if people in the stands knew about this class and/or got the nuggies to run the class.....
They went the wronge way with Street stang and gave into racers......What was the biggest thing that was the down fall of Street stang was racers who were busting balls about trying to make the class a 12secand car class......Going to a index was the worst thing they could of done with that class......As luck would have it they put a index of 12.5.....Now Racers mind you who did not have a true bolt-on street stang wanted it to be a 12.0Index..Now how many street stangs do you see on the streets or at car cruises are capable of running 12.0? or even 12.5 for that matter..stroked86 said:
What street class? You meen factory stock in 05? There was a few 14/13 cars running in stk and Factory stock..Im pretty sure they would fit in the rules...Superskwrl said:
The prosed rules to Date for Stock class. PEOPLE READING THIS THREAD KEEP IN MIND STOCK CLASS has nothing to do with the class this thread is about..........................................
Stock Mustang Shootout
Open to street legal cars only*, OEM full-bodied Fords
Ford 5.0L,4.6L with 315 C.I.D Maximum.
Aftermarket "Street" head, cams and intakes allowed
No race style intakes, I.E Victor series,TFS race intake or box upper.
Stock type suspension, coil overs allowd, heavy duty or lightweight bolt-in replacment OK.
No mini tubs
26x8.5 slick or 28x10.5 DOT max(Measured)
Minimum Base weight E7,Modular 2v and gt40/p 3050 lbs.
Minimum Modular Base weight 3v/4v 3300Lbs.
Aftermarket heads add 150Lbs.
Add 50 lbs for turn downs
12 inches manifold vacuum required
03 or newer Cobras and/or power adders not allowed.
Superskwrl with the Proposed STK class rules the old factory stock (05)
would be running STK now with a nice weight break....Combining both classes into rules above IMO is a win win for old factory stockers and stockers....Will be more car count. That means the ladder will be more forgiving to people who would run Mid E.Ts in the class... By doing this the weight for Stock class has not been touched and people who ran factory stock of 05 Get a nice weight break..
mricci
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About my last post, from what im reading now, i was thinking this class was going to be more strict on what you could have. The more you have said about it, i think it could be a good class, for just the average everyday mustang driver.
I hear alot of bitching here. This discussion is supposed to be for improving the event. I've heard that a directive came from the track to cut classes. Heads up Mustan racing is a money loser for NED. Numerous classes with low car counts are not going to cut it. It will most likely not stay staus quo so you guys saying leave it alone are not helping. I'm sure the track could add another import day 
I'll be the first to admit I don't have the magic bullit that will be the solution ( I'm just a lowly bracket racer
) Quick street has done a good job of making a competive class with a good car count and people actually head to the stands when they run.
What I think Wayne is going for is a good novice class that newbies can have fun with. A combo ET bracket with all the regular NED hitters doesn't cut it either. If you want to keep it HU for novices I think it will need to run in the 13.5-14-5 zone on average.
I would still like to see Mod Motor changed to Open Comp. I'm tired of one ET class at Tasca day and would like to run something different. I've already run some HU stuff years ago and it was ok but the car would not be competative in the class I could run as it sits and I am not building a car for one event a year.
I'll be the first to admit I don't have the magic bullit that will be the solution ( I'm just a lowly bracket racer
) Quick street has done a good job of making a competive class with a good car count and people actually head to the stands when they run. What I think Wayne is going for is a good novice class that newbies can have fun with. A combo ET bracket with all the regular NED hitters doesn't cut it either. If you want to keep it HU for novices I think it will need to run in the 13.5-14-5 zone on average.
I would still like to see Mod Motor changed to Open Comp. I'm tired of one ET class at Tasca day and would like to run something different. I've already run some HU stuff years ago and it was ok but the car would not be competative in the class I could run as it sits and I am not building a car for one event a year.
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