well i think i found out my problem with the c4. the valve body has a hair line crack in it where one of the bolts goes through and it doesnt seal all the way. and im the one who put tapped the hole and put the bolt in there, so i guess its my fault. oh well...ill see what i can do to it tomorrow. anyways, when i look up inside the tranny after the valve body is out i can see two bands, one towards the fron and one towards the rear. both of them look to be in good shape, except there is some play in them. they arent that tight...but im also not sure if they are supposed to be. the front one is a little more loose than the back one. its not that they are loose to the point of falling off, but they definetly can be moved around a little bit. if anyone can give me some insight into this that would be great. if they are fine the way they are than thats cool with me. thanks in advance