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heres a cold air shoot out dyno sheet and article. it includes info on the WMS as well.
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/05%20Cold-Air%20Dyno%20Runs.pdf
http://mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0601w_cold_air_intake/
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/05%20Cold-Air%20Dyno%20Runs.pdf
http://mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0601w_cold_air_intake/
Motorhead6T5
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If you notice they say the stock intake tube is a restriction,yet the mac kit that uses the stock intake tube made just as much power as the other ones. And why does every person that writes an article on the stock intake claim the airbox intake hole is only 2" wide? Thats a flat out lie,especialy if you remove the snout part. I'm still not a believer in the CAI scene.
Motorhead6T5
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Yes with the Hc trap out,and the snout thing pulled off the airbox. I may be buying a CAI though,so i have somthing better to tap the n20 nozzle into. I'm sure some intakes are good for a couple ponys but not like the claims have been.JonW said:
The Solski
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So what about all the dyno charts that are posted all over almost every mustang site that prove the CAI makes more power than the stock airbox?
Heck, the article mentioned post #2 shows gains of around 20hp on average for after market CAI's w/tune compared to a stock airbox with a 91 octane tune. And these were all dyno proven as well.
Heck, the article mentioned post #2 shows gains of around 20hp on average for after market CAI's w/tune compared to a stock airbox with a 91 octane tune. And these were all dyno proven as well.
I'm not as smart on this stuff as some of you guys, but my understanding is that most of the HP gains from a CAI really comes from the tune.
Something like a 14-18 HP gain from the tune and 5-10 hp from the new intake, and together they make the advertised claims. And the tune gains so much only because the stock tune is so conservative.
Something like a 14-18 HP gain from the tune and 5-10 hp from the new intake, and together they make the advertised claims. And the tune gains so much only because the stock tune is so conservative.
The Solski said:
I'm sure the CAI has to help some, given the fact that the factory airbox is so restrictive. But I'd say that the 91 octane tune provided the bulk of the power gains. I'd like to see dyno numbers with JUST the CAI and and no other mods or tune.
Motorhead6T5
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One thing to keep in mind,the Canned tune from SCT can be improved upon. It's not fair to compare a canned sct tuned car,to a custom tuned CAI car. I had more SOTP gain from adjusting the canned tune then the base canned tune itself.
Going by the charts posted
stock is 261 hp
Canned tune is 270
K&N Drop in canned tune 274
K&N CAI no tune 278
K&N CAI tuned 282
MRT CAI No tune 278
MRT CAI Tuned 281
JLT CAI Tuned 286
Going by these readings "I" would see a 7 to 12 hp gain from a CAI over my setup now. But in reality my canned tune has been adjusted,so I would likley see less of a gain then that. One of the reasons the CAI w/o a tune make so much power by itself,is its actually leaning out the stock tune,and the main power comes from that not the actual overall airflow. I'm thinking there is 5-10hp to be gained if "I'" personaly went with a CAI,depending on which one. I could be wrong but thats how I see it.
Going by the charts posted
stock is 261 hp
Canned tune is 270
K&N Drop in canned tune 274
K&N CAI no tune 278
K&N CAI tuned 282
MRT CAI No tune 278
MRT CAI Tuned 281
JLT CAI Tuned 286
Going by these readings "I" would see a 7 to 12 hp gain from a CAI over my setup now. But in reality my canned tune has been adjusted,so I would likley see less of a gain then that. One of the reasons the CAI w/o a tune make so much power by itself,is its actually leaning out the stock tune,and the main power comes from that not the actual overall airflow. I'm thinking there is 5-10hp to be gained if "I'" personaly went with a CAI,depending on which one. I could be wrong but thats how I see it.
If you mean those products that came out during the initial model-year, I'm with you. They are nothing more than improved intakes, there's nothing cold-air about them.Motorhead6T5 said:
But this one from Western looks like it might fit the term CAI, of course you may need a new hood to see the true potential. At least this one is not pulling heated air from the headers.
Motorhead6T5
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Yeah this is where it gets interesting. All these intakes(tube type) are actually Warm air intakes. A true cold air intake places the filter in the fender or down at the bottom of the engine compartment to pick up fresh air and not engine compartment air. Even in the write up on the test they said they need to be shielded for best results,and thats with the hood up and a huge fan blowing right towards the engine compartment. In the real world with the hood down and a warm engine compartment,that 5-10hp gain I might see on the dyno,might be reduced to a couple hp.Edbert said:If you mean those products that came out during the initial model-year, I'm with you. They are nothing more than improved intakes, there's nothing cold-air about them.
But this one from Western looks like it might fit the term CAI, of course you may need a new hood to see the true potential. At least this one is not pulling heated air from the headers.
Hey all, had to join here to voice my opinion on the WMS. BTW..long time reader, first time poster.
By far...the truest CAI out there. Hands down the lowest datalogged Inlet temps from any brand, not by a small amount...but a drastic one. With these cool temps on the east coast, my ram/heat tray,MAF,TBS,TB, and upper intake are ice cold to touch, gotta love it. Ambient inlet temps are easily obtainable with the WMS, try that with ANY other "cai" out there...not happening.
Other "cai's" that use the OEM location due nothing but suck in heat, tons of heat, datalogging proves that fact, but some do look pretty good, and some make power as well.
Im not affiliated with WMS in anyway, but I have playing with this CAI since SEPT, so I have plenty of real world experience with them. Up next...testing the 95mm Billet MAF.
Heres just one link with tons of good reading on the WMS..
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=33814&hl=wms
THE GREEK
By far...the truest CAI out there. Hands down the lowest datalogged Inlet temps from any brand, not by a small amount...but a drastic one. With these cool temps on the east coast, my ram/heat tray,MAF,TBS,TB, and upper intake are ice cold to touch, gotta love it. Ambient inlet temps are easily obtainable with the WMS, try that with ANY other "cai" out there...not happening.
Other "cai's" that use the OEM location due nothing but suck in heat, tons of heat, datalogging proves that fact, but some do look pretty good, and some make power as well.
Im not affiliated with WMS in anyway, but I have playing with this CAI since SEPT, so I have plenty of real world experience with them. Up next...testing the 95mm Billet MAF.
Heres just one link with tons of good reading on the WMS..
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=33814&hl=wms
THE GREEK
martimus
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There are two things about the WMS intake that bugged me... First that their product did not include an extended wiring harness for the MAF sensor, instead requiring wires to be cut and spliced. Second is the fear that with the loosely fitting hoods on some 05's that a good driving rain storm would fill up that Ram air box with water and provide a path for water to get into the engine. 
The WMS very well may be a better design but I think I'm gonna stick with my hella cool looking MRT intake!
The WMS very well may be a better design but I think I'm gonna stick with my hella cool looking MRT intake!
there are threads on other boards from people that have come up with a solution for the wiring. i dont remember exactly what they did, so you would have to look on the other boards to find out for sure. as far as the water issue, you can make a drain for the tray and you wouldnt have a problem. the stock airbox should have a drain as well. the drain would be super easy to make, you just need to drill a hole or two depending on how worried about it you are, and connect a drain hose to drop the water where you want it, instead of right in front of the motor.martimus said:There are two things about the WMS intake that bugged me... First that their product did not include an extended wiring harness for the MAF sensor, instead requiring wires to be cut and spliced. Second is the fear that with the loosely fitting hoods on some 05's that a good driving rain storm would fill up that Ram air box with water and provide a path for water to get into the engine.
The WMS very well may be a better design but I think I'm gonna stick with my hella cool looking MRT intake!
martimus
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Ya I've read most of the threads I've found on the intake.
Its just odd that WMS chose to overlook concerns such as this when they released their intake. One would think it would have cost them an additional couple of dollars to build an extension to the wiring harness. And as for the rain...
Of course its not like it rains all that much in Calgary.
Its just odd that WMS chose to overlook concerns such as this when they released their intake. One would think it would have cost them an additional couple of dollars to build an extension to the wiring harness. And as for the rain...
Of course its not like it rains all that much in Calgary.Similar threads
