2001 gt engine swap

[FalconGuy016]

I have always been interested in this ever since finding out there was much less to do than most people will say.

I would want headers though.

 

[Black2001GT]

Billfisher. I was just adding tech to the thread. And this is the tech section. If you want to bench race start a thread in the talk section.

I don't think he is bench racing, he is also posting tech.

 

[Numbles]

Yes he is bench racing.

but my 5.4 3v will kill any ls smaller than 7 litres..

Thats just speculation. Do it and get it on video. That added no tech to this thread.

i can bore it also. 380 cubes i believe.

Good tech, If you believe it I guess its true and all of us should believe it too.

they make 885 hp and 8500 rpms.

Who has this motor in their car and what is their combination? I know this guy who runs really fast too. His last name is Force or something like that.

there aren't any real advantages to chevy. i can mod for mod out power them. i started at 325 hp.

Prove it. What are the mods on your 3v that can do this.

i am stepped long tubes, 85mm TB, 24lb injectors, lihtning MAF, and cams away from 425hp. try that with a stock headed 5.3 or 5.7 chevy.

This is bench racing. Once again no tech added here. Thats like me saying "When my ls1 is in my car, with a 150shot and a cam ill win."

the 6.0 already has the good heads,ls-6 intake, and cams. not much left there.

Why is there not much left? Why cant these components on an ls1 be improved upon? Just for starters. Ls1's can be stroked out to more than 380 cubes I BELIEVE.

Im just saying he hasn't added any tech. Just bench racing. And a argument saying that chevy motors should stay in chevy cars. Thats it.

 

[Black2001GT]

Yes he is bench racing.


blah blah blah .

In case you do not know, Bill Fisher is currently installing a 5.4 3V into his 96GT. He is speaking from experience and not speculating about what it would be like to put an LS1 into a GG, which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.:Teh-Win:

 

[Numbles]

Actually I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

He asked question and I answered them. He was speculating on how his new motor will waste basically any ls1 he will run into. And thats what I said he was speculating on.

Re-read the thread. And stop being a nutswinger. For someone to install a 5.4 3v into his 96 gt I have no noubt billfisher knows what he is doing.

 

[Black2001GT]

Actually I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

He asked question and I answered them. He was speculating on how his new motor will waste basically any ls1 he will run into. And thats what I said he was speculating on.

Re-read the thread. And stop being a nutswinger. For someone to install a 5.4 3v into his 96 gt I have no noubt billfisher knows what he is doing.

Nutswinger

I'll take that as a joke instead of a personal attack.

Merry Christmas.

 

[hognutz]

if you can weld just make it work. If you looking for an off the shelf solution I have not seen it.

I think you would be better off selling the fbody parts and buying ford parts as it will go together so much faster.

I have done a ton of engine swaps and the extra time is always significant. if you have it great but If spent the extra time it will take to put in the ls1 working ot at my job I would be money ahead. I did an 87 4runner for a friend 7" of lift, ramjet 350, turbo 350 etc. think we had 9k in it. ton of time. he could of just bought a tahoe and lifted proably by the time we were done.

it can be done but there will be alot of work there. tranny cross member, shifter location, motormounts, intake routing, throttle cable, drivshaft are all valid concerns right off the top of my head.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Nutswinger

I'll take that as a joke instead of a personal attack.

Merry Christmas.

The thought of the expression on your face after reading it sure as hell made me laugh.

 

[billfisher]

what ????

Thats the point jackass. Like I said earlier, the camaro is ugly. I would like the motor of the LS1 in the looks of a mustang. You could build a LS1 shortblock cheap too if you already have the motor.

i don't really think you have a valid opinion on anything.

 

[billfisher]

ls-1 sucks.

no = how many thousands of dollars more than the LS1 they already have.

i have more power than an ls-1. and the Ls is bigger. 5.4 vs. 5.7


when the cubes are close they suck.

i started with 300hp .that is well documented on ANY ford site. then i added a short runner intake, deleted the CMCC plates, and fabbed custom stainless mandrel bent 1 5/8" headers. i make more than 300 hp. ls-1 had 285. by the way i ran it at a spot where my long tubed, pi swapped ported, tuned ,etc 4.6 ran 100 mph from a dig. the 5.4 ran 110+ short shifting at 4700 rpms. it makes WAY more than 290 flywheel like the 4.6 made.

started with 300 hp and 365 lb-ft i am sure i make more than that. give me time to put 85 mm TB, stepped headers, gety another set of heads to port, ram air intake from the 4" cowl hood i just purchased, and 3 ', 3" header extensions, and lets see an ls-1 out power me with the same mods. no way.

 

[300bhp/ton]

but my 5.4 3v will kill any ls smaller than 7 litres.

Not doubting you or your cars ability, I'm sure it will be a beast when complete. But that's still a pretty bold claim when there are 10 second cam only LS1's out there.

i can bore it also. 380 cubes i believe.

383, 402, 408ci are common but 427ci has been done I believe on the LS1, although people do often swap to the cast iron block from the trucks.

so why do i want a chevy motor?

why not?

if you have the skill and pocket book then why not 5.4 4v. they make 885 hp and 8500 rpms.

DOHC wonderful for high rpms, yes a OHV isn't going to do 8500rpm, it'll manage the 885bhp though. Although that level of power is going to cost a lot of $$$$ regardless of whether it is Ford or GM. And a little FI and possible NOS too.

there aren't any real advantages to chevy.

ease, price and availability spring to mind, as well as weight and size. But yes the mod motor in 4v is certainly a great engine.

i can mod for mod out power them. i started at 325 hp.

again a pretty bold claim, considering LS1's are all in a state of mild tune. And start with ~345bhp.

i am stepped long tubes, 85mm TB, 24lb injectors, lihtning MAF, and cams away from 425hp. try that with a stock headed 5.3 or 5.7 chevy.

When you say 425hp are you meaining engine or at the wheels?

Anyhow a bolt on cam LS1 should make an easy 380rwhp mild cam with 420rwhp wilder cam pretty easy. And 450rwhp has been seen, but it is a little radical, all on stock heads and 346ci.

the 6.0 already has the good heads,ls-6 intake, and cams. not much left there.

Assuming you mean the LS2 6.0 litre engine? If so, not too sure what the heads are (I don't think they are the same as the LS6 but maybe wrong). But the LS2 has a different intake manifold, which on tests has proved to produce LESS power than the LS6 type when fitted to a 346ci engine (this is a big debate ongoing over at LS1tech)

of course more is available, but the point is i can make more pre mod. so chevy really still sucks.

eh? an easy 400bhp from bolt ons only sucks? Add a h/c combo in there and 500bhp is pretty doable. Yep your right totally sucks!!! lol.

i have more power than an ls-1. and the Ls is bigger. 5.4 vs. 5.7

this is a debate I have had many times. A GOOD DOHC engine will always be able to produce a better specific output - bhp per litre.

OHV Push rod engines over come this by generally having a larger capacity. However, not many large ci DOHC engines exist.

The Jaguar 4.2 V8 is a great example, as it produces 300bhp from only 4.2 litres, plus it's tuned for refinment. In the SCCA Trans Am championship in 4.5 litre guise it produces 650bhp n/a the Ford mod 5.0 DOHC only makes 630bhp and the larger LS1 5.7 OHV can only match the Jaguar with 650bhp with 1.2 litres more capacity

So I'm right behind you on this one, in more ways than one!!.

when the cubes are close they suck.

But not hear though, the LSx engines are very good. In fact probably some of the very best OHV push rod engines ever to exist. As they get very close to matching the likes of the DOHC Ford mod engine in specific output, which is a tremendus feat all things considered.

i started with 300hp

didn't you say 325bhp earlier?, lol

that is well documented on ANY ford site.

What's the engine from that you are using? Is it a Navigator engine?

then i added a short runner intake, deleted the CMCC plates, and fabbed custom stainless mandrel bent 1 5/8" headers. i make more than 300 hp. ls-1 had 285.

ALL LS1's produce in the region of 345bhp. The Lt1 (totally different engine) had 275bhp.

GM rated the Fbody at 305bhp, but this was just marketing. If you put a 305bhp Fbody onto the same dyno as a 345bhp Corvette they will produce almost identical rwhp numbers, with the slight edge going to the Fbody in most cases. Also one of the Hot Rod magazines did a test on one, and confirmed that even the GM crate engines (rated by GM @ 320bhp SAE Net) where producing significantly more power.

As far as I know in the US ALL LS1's produce circa 345bhp, LS6 (2001) 385bhp, LS6 (2002+) 405bhp, LS2 400bhp.

In Europe it's a little different, as the Camaro was rated at 288bhp, I think this is again marketing and for insurance purposes mostly, although there may have been a noise reduction option which only had one exhaust outlet, so these may have been less powerful. As the Corvette is still rated at 345bhp.

The Monaro 2004 (basically like a GTO), 350bhp LS1 5.7
Monaro VXR 2004 385bhp LS1 5.7
Monaro 2005 LS2 400bhp

by the way i ran it at a spot where my long tubed, pi swapped ported, tuned ,etc 4.6 ran 100 mph from a dig. the 5.4 ran 110+ short shifting at 4700 rpms. it makes WAY more than 290 flywheel like the 4.6 made.

cool. How did you get 290 flywheel for the 4.6? This is an area I have found most interesting, different dyno's give different results.

300rwhp on a Mustang dyno is actually a heck of a lot more HP than 300rwhp on Dynojet. They just derive things differently. Same goes for engine dyno's, to compare to manufacture numbers you need to test to SAE Net standards on the correct type of dyno, else the result just become skewed.

Again a Hot Rod mag tested a crate LS1, they removed the rev limiter (no tuning, just the limiter) added long tube headers and an electric water pump. Plus it was not driving the air con, power steering pump or alternator.

This is pretty close to the old (60's early 70's) Gross HP tests. It made 430bhp. Not bad, for what was really a stock engine, but see how different the numbers are compared SAE Net. BTW they also added a GM Hotcam (very mild indeed, 218 I think, where 242 is aggressive) with better valve springs and a GM carb conversion. It made a tad over 500bhp on the engine dyno.

started with 300 hp and 365 lb-ft i am sure i make more than that. give me time to put 85 mm TB, stepped headers, gety another set of heads to port, ram air intake from the 4" cowl hood i just purchased, and 3 ', 3" header extensions,

you'll have to get a vid and some pics up of it.

and lets see an ls-1 out power me with the same mods. no way.

Well as I'm on the other side of the Atlantic I guess it's a no no. But I bet there are a few guys on LS1Tech that will be up for it. Sure we can arrange something - for the fun of doing it

Oh BTW although I really like the LSx engine, I certainly don't beleive they are the best out there. DOHC has many advantages and always will. But sometimes on a street engine they are less obvious. And you don't have to like the LS1 or even Chevy, but that doesn't take away the fact that they are pretty stout motors that can make BIG bhp for little money.

PEACE

 

[billfisher]

my bad. the ls-1 in a 2000 camaro was rated at 305hp/325tq. how do you figure it has more power than 300hp/365tq?

you claim it was underrated. really? chevy has a history of the opposite. maybe the ford is underrated, or they only spun it to 5000 for a reason.

cam only ls running 10's. that's bull. so you are saying it can make 550 hp with just cam? that's crap. a 250 hp increase with a cam. must have 360 degrees duration and 1" lift. only a chevy can keep the valves open that long and that high. must rev 10,000 rpms'. i wonder how they get it to do that with 240 cfm. some kind of miracle. my heads flow as well, and my intake flows as well. cam only? wow.

 

[CanadaStang]

my bad. the ls-1 in a 2000 camaro was rated at 305hp/325tq. how do you figure it has more power than 300hp/365tq?

you claim it was underrated. really? chevy has a history of the opposite. maybe the ford is underrated

Wether we like the LS engines or not, they are nothing to laugh at, most dyno around 290rwhp [there are claims of 300 but I personaly, have never seen it]. They are rather nasty things to work on when still in the vehicle.
I've actually never heard of GM over rating any of their engines, what were you refering to when you said that?

 

[billfisher]

they started overrating them in 1962 starting with the 425 hp 409. and it just snowballed from there.

 

[billfisher]

sorry abouthte controversial comments. i like fords, not chevy's. my blood is blue. i hate chevy's. always have always will. i like putting them on the trailor.

 

[Numbles]

cam only ls running 10's. that's bull. so you are saying it can make 550 hp with just cam? that's crap. a 250 hp increase with a cam. must have 360 degrees duration and 1" lift. only a chevy can keep the valves open that long and that high. must rev 10,000 rpms'. i wonder how they get it to do that with 240 cfm. some kind of miracle. my heads flow as well, and my intake flows as well. cam only? wow.

Cam only w/ full bolt ons.

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog/?action=vshop&vid=3&pcid=51

Scroll half way down. The cam called the t-rex cam.

 

[Black2001GT]

Cam only w/ full bolt ons.

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog/?action=vshop&vid=3&pcid=51

Scroll half way down. The cam called the t-rex cam.

This does not prove a car with this cam runs 10's.

 

[billfisher]

they seem to be advertisinga radical lift rate cam. the lift rates that require low ratios also need rev kits. do they recommend a rev kit? what makes you think i can't put that (similar)in my 3v. those heads don't out flow mine. raelly, i have been trying to get you chevy trolls to admit that equal head flow, equal cams, equal exhaust, equal ignition, equals equal power. you seem to be unable to face the facts that 3v and 4v can hang with the love of your life..... chevy LS. get used to being second fiddle when the 5.4 or 6.2 3v or 4v is available standard.

all hail teh mighty LS. also i make WAY more torque than equal chevy. 365 vs 325. plus i have variable valve timing. that equal faster acceleration. ever wonder why the 4.6 3v run such good 1/4 times? VCT dude.

365lb-ft @ 2900rpm = 201 hp
300 hp @4900 = 321lb-ft

not bad for a truck motor... just imagine what it can do in the hands of a real ford boy. it doesn't just die at 4900. it can rev safely to 5200. so a little extra cam phasing and WELLAH... 320 hp without adding ANYTHING. plus all that torque OFF IDLE. i know i own one. my 245's spin like they are on butter from a roll. my 4.6 would not really do that from 15 roll. this one tries to snap spin a 180. hmmmm.

BIG torque off idle,
big torque at 2900 rpm
big torque at 5200. jeez i am only good valves from phasing the cam for 5500 rpm BIG torque.

if i maintain just 321 lb-ft at 5500 that is 336hp.

i wonder what it will do with a few select mods.

these are real numbers. just cam phasing torque. no need to lose bottom end like chevy's

to bad for you guys.

 

[Numbles]

Where do I begin?

those heads don't out flow mine. raelly, i have been trying to get you chevy trolls to admit that equal head flow, equal cams, equal exhaust, equal ignition, equals equal power.

True. But when your 5.4 3v is a little shy on cubic inch. I find it hard to believe an LSx motor or a 351 truck motor for example, would just do the same with more cubic inch.

you seem to be unable to face the facts that 3v and 4v can hang with the love of your life

They can. But not unless they are modified. Only then can they compete with a stock ls1.

get used to being second fiddle when the 5.4 or 6.2 3v or 4v is available standard.

7.0L in a chevy is already available.

all hail teh mighty LS. also i make WAY more torque than equal chevy. 365 vs 325.

You are comparing stock engine vs a modified one. My 302 now makes the same power and torques as an ls1. Whats pathetic is that an ls1 has that power stock.

these are real numbers. just cam phasing torque. no need to lose bottom end like chevy's

Please show my the dyno chart where you got these #'s.

Get off the fact that your on a all hail the might 3v trip. In the world of n/a motors. More cubes means more power when it comes to equal flowing heads/cams/intakes. For instance. You 5.4 3v will have a better power band than a 4.6 3v. I just dont understand how you can justify a motor thats a 5.7 making less power with egual heads/cams/intakes. Get off the fact that one is a chevy motor.

 

[billfisher]

i get off because 3v makes more torque across a wide band than 2v or 4v.

by the way the dyno graph for those figures is on the official ford f-150 site... it is stock power. it is an example of simple cam phasing that your Ls or 302,351 can't do.

if you look at my sig i have built reasonable power out of 302's. i have a 87 roller gt motor in my shed. and i have a 95 roler 351 in it also. i chose multi valve. of course you can toute 235 cc TFS heads, but i make more torque at 1800 rpm. this is more of a comparo of stock heads,stock block, stock cams. i believe it is Larocca that is running 885 hp @8500 rpm's with his 5.4 4v NA. my figures may be off a little, but he said he just switched to a single 4 bbl setup for even mixture at those rpm's. try that with a 302. l am sure he will find more from a NA soon. i think it is LaRocca, it may be one of the other 5.4 bad-asses. your puny 2v sucks. i was a die hard small block ford fan until i looked at the torque and hp potential of 3v or 4v. i was just waiting for it to be a reality. well, it is. i will take my stock 5.4 3v against a stock 302 any day. i will even spot it a bunch of car lengths.

give the aftermarket time, and 3v will take over. VCT dude.. i got it, 302 don't.

by the way, i like your choice of cars. i had an 84 notch.