Mass Air Conversion NO START

MyCARneedsHelp

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ok so i searched and i followed the Tmoss Diagram and its not starting. I dont even hear the fuel pump nor the fuel pump relay..... I may have the coil wires screwed up but i cant tell its hard to read that diagram. Also there is a wire coming from the MAIN harness to the coil area that was cut im thinking it may be a ground but im not sure. Its blue with a fuseable link on it . I connected it to the pos side of the coil to see what happens and i hear the fuel pump relay click on . But my buddy said he seen some smoke coming from it so i discconected it in a hurry. Can anyone tell me when wires go to the coil and why my pump isnt turning on ????

It was all out of a working 5.0 with a A9p computer. Main harness and MAF Sensor and tube. Also there is a plug by the computer it is grey and round. It doesnt show that in the diagram but its there, anyone know what it goes to? :bang:
 
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:nonono: oka so i hooked the pump to a switch and it goes on and when i start the car it jumps up to 5000 rpm then bogs for a second then dies. I checked the fuel pressure and its at 38 and drops when i hit the gas. The only way it will stay running is if i pump the gas... also i hear a noise coming from the fuel rails or somwhere near when i turn the pressure up, then when i turn the pressure down it goes away. The only thing i took off was my upper manifold and thats it.... i dunno whats going on here can someone PLLLEEASSEEE help
 
oka i hooked up my speed density computer back up and it fired up but ran like crap, like it has a huge cam but it doesnt . It also backfired and ran RICH as heck it was so bad it was burning my eyes. I dont know what to do , can someone give some advice?
 
its a harness that has air bags and i think the dual dash . Would that be the problem???? is there any way i can hook up my speed density harness and just cut the MAF Plug and wires off the other harness then??? i really need this car running by tomorrow other wise i have no ride to work and probably lose my job... UGHH!!!!!! :bang: :bang: :bang:
 
Have you gone through the thread link that I listed above? It doesn't sound like it. You can't just swap back and forth between SD and MAF boxes. There are several pins that need to be relocated.

Is this thing on??? *tap tap tap*
 
im not sure what year the harness is. I took the MAF harness off and put my SD back on with the SD computer and it runs fine now.... should i just cut the MAF part off the other harness and put it on, and splice them to the computer?
 
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo. Please follow the directions in the link that I posted above! There are differences in the wiring aside form just the EEC-IV harness. There are some things behind the driver's side kick panel that have to be run as well as a jumper for the fuel pump relay.
 
Dagger youve been a great help first of all and i couldnt of asked for a better person to help me:hail2: .... Besides that im not sure about the sensor . He told me if sat for a while. I could get another one to swap it out he said but it would take a FEW WEEKS!!! i cant wait that long. If i can test it i will. Thanx again!

Also i think that the source said the "ground could be on 40 or 60" i put it on 40, should i try 60? i dont want to fry the computer so ill wait till you reply... I know it says its black / green but im almost 99% sure that they were both that color
 
Pin 40 or pin 60: You can ground either one or both, it makes no difference.

Edit: I dunno how much help I've been. I'm pretty lost as to what all you've done or not done. The route I'd have taken would have been to keep the SD harness in the car and modified it to specs on the conversion instructions. There are just too many small variations in the different year harnesses to contend with to know which wiring method would be best and what should be jumpered, deleted, or whatever. What I really like about the conversion is that it's relatively simple to do. Tossing in a harness from a year with airbags, or no airbags, or wondering how this year harness will integrate with that year fuel injection harness, etc... just seems like an awful lot of guesswork.

My suggestion at this point (regardless of what harness you ended up with) is to find and at least temporarily swap in a known good meter from an 89+ non Cobra 302 and see if the computer wakes up. Right now, the car is running in limp mode. It's not even guessing at what fuel and spark is and not taking any inputs from any of your sensors.
 
I can think of one of two things at this point. Bad wiring going to/from the meter or bad meter itself. See if you can find a known good meter to plug in to either confirm or rule it out. You might also check the tiny, thin wire on the meter element to ensure that it's not broken.
 
the wire inside looks good but there is a small hole in the screen part. Bout a tiny bit smaller then a penny!! is that bad?!:nonono: also its backfiring it sounds like only when i beat the all living hell outa it. Maybe its just the exhaust because its dumped with a hpipe no cats? . I re ran all the vacuum lines with new ones and i checked it about 5 times....
 
Step #1 Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
OR
See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Walmart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/detailedproductdescription.asp?3829 – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $35.

Problems with the Mass Air wiring and Mass Air sensor will set code 66.

Step 2. If you are still having problems with the fuel pump, follow this.

Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 87-90 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground.
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. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power path.

The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch (red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness. The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay). No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, bad ignition switch or ignition switch wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector somewhere under the driver’s side kick panel, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Check the Red/black wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open.

The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

If all of the checks have worked OK to this point, then the computer is bad. The computers are very reliable and not prone to failure unless there has been significant electrical trauma to the car. Things like lightning strikes and putting the battery in backwards or connecting jumper cables backwards are about the only thing that kills the computer.