FRPP kits

MitStang

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Anyone use the stage 2 kit? (gears, intake, etc.)

does it void any part of the warranty if you get the FRPP and have it installed by a SAE? Is the CAI worth a crap? my bro just got his 06gt and unlike me, he is afraid of voiding his warranty.
 
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MitStang said:
Anyone use the stage 2 kit? (gears, intake, etc.)

does it void any part of the warranty if you get the FRPP and have it installed by a SAE? Is the CAI worth a crap? my bro just got his 06gt and unlike me, he is afraid of voiding his warranty.
The FRPP intake is really Steeda's CAI, who designs and builds it, to Ford's specifications..Steeda, also shares technology with Ford and is also their official aftermarket dealer and partner..If you allow a certified Ford technician to install any of their FRPP packages, it will not void any part of your warranty
 
wbstanggt said:
Ford doesn't even guarentee ford racing performance parts... they aren't going to guarentee these "packs" either... good luck on that one.
Were not referring to the parts themselves, what I meant was, if the parts are ordered through a Ford dealership, and then installed by a Ford Technician..It will not void, the Mustang's manufactures warranty..and BTW, this info. was confimred by not only, my local Ford dealership, but also from Ford's regional represenative..
 
Warranty void info not correct!

red05bullitgt said:
The FRPP intake is really Steeda's CAI, who designs and builds it, to Ford's specifications..Steeda, also shares technology with Ford and is also their official aftermarket dealer and partner..If you allow a certified Ford technician to install any of their FRPP packages, it will not void any part of your warranty


I called FRPP and Ford to verify and ANY modeification to your car can void the warranty. Having said that before they (Ford) can deny paying for a repair they must prove that the modification is the cause of the malfunction. Obviously they will initially claim that is the case and you would then have to fight them on it. Feel free to contact Ford and FRPP to verify this information. There is another thread or two that discuss this.
 
Schlitz-420 said:
I called FRPP and Ford to verify and ANY modeification to your car can void the warranty. Having said that before they (Ford) can deny paying for a repair they must prove that the modification is the cause of the malfunction. Obviously they will initially claim that is the case and you would then have to fight them on it. Feel free to contact Ford and FRPP to verify this information. There is another thread or two that discuss this.
Which part of my original post did you not understand ?? I made it quite clear, that I checked with my local Ford dealer, personally and was informed by not only the service dept. but also the service manager, and field service represenative and their exact words are as follows, IF THE PARTS ARE ORDERED, THROUGH THE DEALERSHIP AND THEN INSTALLED, BY A CERTIFIED FORD TECHNICIAN, THE DEALERSHIP WILL HONOR THE FACTORY WARRANTY.. HOWEVER, IF THE PARTS ARE INSTALLED BY THE CUSTOMER OR BY ANYONE THAT IS NOT A CERTIFIED FORD TECHNICIAN..THE DEALERSHIP CAN REFUSE TO HONOR THE FACTORY WARRANTY, IF THEY CAN DETERMINE THAT THE AFTERMARKET PARTS, WERE RESPONSIBLE, FOR ANY OF THE FACTORY WARRANTED PARTS, TO FAIL..Therefore..I did contact them, otherwise, I wouldn't had posted a response, in the first place.. Also I'm well aware of the other threads, concerning this issue and was personally involved in some of them, long before you ever became a member of this forum..Therefore, before you ever accuse a senior member of this forum, of posting inaccurate info. read between the lines, first.. in fact you can also ask any other members of this forum, that I conduct very intensive research, from legitimate sources, before I post anything in this forum or any other, for that matter...Heck, anybody can claim they called FRPP and Ford, which btw.. FRPP, has absolutely nothing to do with honoring Ford factory warranties, that is strictly at the discretion of Ford and their dealerships..In addition, I not only listed that I contacted Ford, but I also listed who I spoke with and what dept. they happen to be involved in..Whoever you spoke to at Ford, or claimed to have spoken to..From what I see that you posted, claims that any modifications, done to your car, can void the warranty..Well to me, that quote in my opinion means, you were informed that if you, the car owner modifies you're vehicle, then yes..Ford can void your warranty...However, where do you see anything in my post, that mentions modifying or installing aftermarket parts on my vehicle, other than by a certified Ford technician ?? I never stated nor mentioned anything, about personally modifying or installing aftermarket parts on my vehicle..
 
red05bullitgt said:
Well, I checked with my local Ford dealer, personally and was informed by the not only the service dept. but also the service manager, and field service represenative and their exact words are as follows, IF THE PARTS ARE ORDERED, THROUGH THE DEALERSHIP AND THEN INSTALLED, BY A CERTIFIED FORD TECHNICIAN, THE DEALERSHIP WILL HONOR THE FACTORY WARRANTY.. HOWEVER, IF THE PARTS ARE INSTALLED BY THE CUSTOMER OR BY ANYONE THAT IS NOT A CERTIFIED FORD TECHNICIAN..THE DEALERSHIP CAN REFUSE TO HONOR THE FACTORY WARRANTY, IF THEY CAN DETERMINE THAT THE AFTERMARKET PARTS, WERE RESPONSIBLE, FOR ANY OF THE FACTORY WARRANTED PARTS, TO FAIL..And by the way..I did contact them, otherwise, I wouldn't had posted it, in the first place.. Also I'm well aware of the other threads, concerning this issue and was personally involved, in some of them, in fact..long before you ever became a member of this forum, and before you ever accuse a senior member of this forum, of posting inaccurate info. read between the lines, first.. in fact you can also ask any other members of this forum, that I do very intensive research, from legitimate sources, before I post anything in this forum or any other, for that matter...heck, anybody can claim they called FRPP and Ford, and btw, FRPP has absolutely nothing to do with honoring Ford factory warranties, that is strictly at the discretion of Ford and their dealerships..On the other hand, I not only listed that I contacted Ford, but I also listed who I spoke with and what dept. they happen to be involved in..

Yeah that's a dealership thing not a Ford thing. Just like when the dealer throws on a lift for an F150 to make it sell off the show room. They installed it. They'll warranty it. Ford isn't going to warranty your vehicle but that dealer will because they got you the parts and they installed it. I worked at a service dealer for a year or so. I saw this ALL the time.

And again, in recap, Ford Motor Company isn't going to warranty your vehicle if the parts cause a problem with your car. The dealership (as you say) will however. Fomoco has a warranty against manufacturer's defects. Not because you wanna make your car faster.

Also, your warranty should still be intact through Ford if the parts had nothing to do with the problem. (i.e. your headlamps not working or something. That is not a cause from 4.10s or CAI.)
 
red05bullitgt said:
Which part of my original post did you not understand ?? I made it quite clear, that I checked with my local Ford dealer, personally and was informed by not only the service dept. but also the service manager, and field service represenative and their exact words are as follows, IF THE PARTS ARE ORDERED, THROUGH THE DEALERSHIP AND THEN INSTALLED, BY A CERTIFIED FORD TECHNICIAN, THE DEALERSHIP WILL HONOR THE FACTORY WARRANTY.. HOWEVER, IF THE PARTS ARE INSTALLED BY THE CUSTOMER OR BY ANYONE THAT IS NOT A CERTIFIED FORD TECHNICIAN..THE DEALERSHIP CAN REFUSE TO HONOR THE FACTORY WARRANTY, IF THEY CAN DETERMINE THAT THE AFTERMARKET PARTS, WERE RESPONSIBLE, FOR ANY OF THE FACTORY WARRANTED PARTS, TO FAIL..Therefore..I did contact them, otherwise, I wouldn't had posted a response, in the first place.. Also I'm well aware of the other threads, concerning this issue and was personally involved in some of them, long before you ever became a member of this forum..Therefore, before you ever accuse a senior member of this forum, of posting inaccurate info. read between the lines, first.. in fact you can also ask any other members of this forum, that I conduct very intensive research, from legitimate sources, before I post anything in this forum or any other, for that matter...Heck, anybody can claim they called FRPP and Ford, which btw.. FRPP, has absolutely nothing to do with honoring Ford factory warranties, that is strictly at the discretion of Ford and their dealerships..In addition, I not only listed that I contacted Ford, but I also listed who I spoke with and what dept. they happen to be involved in..Whoever you spoke to at Ford, or claimed to have spoken to..From what I see that you posted, claims that any modifications, done to your car, can void the warranty..Well to me, that quote in my opinion means, you were informed that if you, the car owner modifies you're vehicle, then yes..Ford can void your warranty...However, where do you see anything in my post, that mentions modifying or installing aftermarket parts on my vehicle, other than by a certified Ford technician ?? I never stated nor mentioned anything, about personally modifying or installing aftermarket parts on my vehicle..


I can read just fine, obviously you do not know how to properly frame what you are trying to say. You said:

"If you allow a certified Ford technician to install any of their FRPP packages, it will not void any part of your warranty"

That is simply not true, nor is your assumption that I fabricated any phone calls (what purpose would that serve?). When I began researching mods to my car I got mixed signals on the forums regarding warranty information so I contacted my Ford Dealer in Mount Pleasant, Michigan and spoke with someone from service (no I did not get his social security number and shoe size) and he stated if I bought FRPP parts and had them installed at the dealership the warranty would not be voided. I did not quite trust his judgment so I then contacted FRPP and Livernois Motorsports in Dearborn, Michigan and they both stated that any and all modifications made to the factory setup can void the warranty if the repair is judged to be caused or hastened by said modification. They also then stated that this happens frequently and you then can force them (dealership) to prove the mod caused the issue which is usually hard for them to accomplish and the repair is then paid for. That is all I was saying, trying to help other people new to forums to get the most accurate information. I was not trying to attack you personally, nor your integrity as a private investigator. I was just trying to help people not in the know, like myself.

I have an idea, I will contact Ford directly and see if I cannot get a link to or copy of their policy regarding modifications in reference to warranty, then everyone will know, and who knows, maybe one of us has been given inaccurate information. I am only interested in finding out, not arguing with you. Not to mention, I never accused you of being wrong, I just stated what I had been told. So instead of getting so worked up and saying I do not know how to read (I have an MBA), take a little more time in the future to read things clearly before you flame someone.

Oh and thank you for making newbies feel welcome to use the forum.:nice:

P.S. -

I just got off the phone with Ford (1-800-392-3673(FORD)) and I am correct. You can simply open your Warranty Guide to page 8 (we all have one of these if you bought new) and read the section outlined at the top of the page:

Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification

The new vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by:

1. Alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company.
2. Tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these systems (for example but not limited to exhaust and intake systems)
3. The installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than a "certified" emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed for "off-road use only" installed after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components, and performance chips.

This should settle it once and for all. Yes I know it sounds like they will cover Ford parts and one would assume FRPP parts are simply Ford Motor Company parts, but they are not. A great deal of FRPP parts are made by contractors and thus not standard Ford Motor Company parts. Also many of the performance enhancing parts are considered "off-road only" which is mentioned above. I am not a lawyer but the way this reads the repairs are covered if the part is not the cause, regardless of who makes it; unless of course you replace your valves with factory valves in which case it would be covered. Have a great day!!!!!
 
Schlitz-420 said:
I can read just fine, obviously you do not know how to properly frame what you are trying to say. You said:

"If you allow a certified Ford technician to install any of their FRPP packages, it will not void any part of your warranty"

That is simply not true, nor is your assumption that I fabricated any phone calls (what purpose would that serve?). When I began researching mods to my car I got mixed signals on the forums regarding warranty information so I contacted my Ford Dealer in Mount Pleasant, Michigan and spoke with someone from service (no I did not get his social security number and shoe size) and he stated if I bought FRPP parts and had them installed at the dealership the warranty would not be voided. I did not quite trust his judgment so I then contacted FRPP and Livernois Motorsports in Dearborn, Michigan and they both stated that any and all modifications made to the factory setup can void the warranty if the repair is judged to be caused or hastened by said modification. They also then stated that this happens frequently and you then can force them (dealership) to prove the mod caused the issue which is usually hard for them to accomplish and the repair is then paid for. That is all I was saying, trying to help other people new to forums to get the most accurate information. I was not trying to attack you personally, nor your integrity as a private investigator. I was just trying to help people not in the know, like myself.

I have an idea, I will contact Ford directly and see if I cannot get a link to or copy of their policy regarding modifications in reference to warranty, then everyone will know, and who knows, maybe one of us has been given inaccurate information. I am only interested in finding out, not arguing with you. Not to mention, I never accused you of being wrong, I just stated what I had been told. So instead of getting so worked up and saying I do not know how to read (I have an MBA), take a little more time in the future to read things clearly before you flame someone.

Oh and thank you for making newbies feel welcome to use the forum.:nice:

P.S. -

I just got off the phone with Ford (1-800-392-3673(FORD)) and I am correct. You can simply open your Warranty Guide to page 8 (we all have one of these if you bought new) and read the section outlined at the top of the page:

Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification

The new vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by:

1. Alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company.
2. Tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these systems (for example but not limited to exhaust and intake systems)
3. The installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than a "certified" emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed for "off-road use only" installed after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components, and performance chips.

This should settle it once and for all. Yes I know it sounds like they will cover Ford parts and one would assume FRPP parts are simply Ford Motor Company parts, but they are not. A great deal of FRPP parts are made by contractors and thus not standard Ford Motor Company parts. Also many of the performance enhancing parts are considered "off-road only" which is mentioned above. I am not a lawyer but the way this reads the repairs are covered if the part is not the cause, regardless of who makes it; unless of course you replace your valves with factory valves in which case it would be covered. Have a great day!!!!!
And once again, you completely misinterpreted my entire post.. Therefore, it's more than obvious, that you do have a comprehension issue..First of all, every word that was quoated were by 3 different Ford employees, 2 of them which are employees at my local Ford dealership, and the other is a field service represenative, who Ford sends directly to investigate warranty claims, and for your info. that statement you claimed, that I can't properly frame what I'm trying to say, are not my words to begin with..I posted each and every word, that was quoated word for word, by each individual, I spoke with from Ford..Therefore when 3 Ford employees, all say that, if I allow them..meaning their (dealership) to install FRPP parts on my vehicle, they will honor my factory warranty..Those are their words, not mine..Therefore, you better believe that I'll take their word for it and here's why...Not only was I concerned about voiding my factory warranty, but I also purchased an extended warranty, as well..Meaning that i stand to lose much more than just a 3 year factory warranty, that I didn't have to pay for..So yes, I'm going to make absolutely certain that Ford (dealership) will honor my warranty, before taking such a risk in the first place.. Just because, you don't trust the service dept, at your dealership, doesn't mean that every dealership, isn't trustworthy..Personally speaking, I've had a very great and long lasting relationship, with my dealership.. Therefore as a result, I have no reason not to trust their judgement..And I'm going to say this one last time, the warranty policy concerning, tampering, altering, modifying or anything else for that matter, applies towards the customer (car owner)..Not towards a certified Ford (dealership)..As for FRPP and Livernois Motorsports are concerned, they have absolutely nothing to do with Ford policy, nor honoring a factory warranty..that is strictly the discretion of Ford and their dealerships policy..End of story.. And one last thing...Those FRPP parts that you spoke of that are made by contractors, that is also incorrect.. The FRPP power pack 1 is made by Steeda, who btw is an official Ford Dealer and aftermarket partner, who also shares technology with Ford directly, in fact the FRPP power pack 1 is factory installed on the Shelby GT-H Hertz Mustang and is also installed in every Steeda Mustang, you happen to run across at any participating Ford-Steeda dealer, and the factory warranty is completely honored and remains intact, why ?? because (once again) the parts are installed by a certified Ford (dealership)... So yes, this does settle it, once and for all...Have a great day, as well..