Shelby GT500 sucks !

[05MGT]

Uhh, the 'Vette is about 800lbs lighter, it has IRS, lower center of gravity, less top heavy, better interior, all aluminum motor, handles better, brakes better, faster or about equal in the 1/4, more agile, MUCH better gas mileage, overall, better platform (suspention design) for more kinds of racing, doesn't share a platform with a 19k car.

Brand new 'Vettes can be bought for low 40's. Try getting a GT500 for that!

yeah and? Like I said: The GT500 competes in all cagetgories, ie: Slalom, lap times, 1/4 mile, 0-60, 60-0, etc. All numbers are very, very close with 800lbs extra, without an aluminum block, without IRS, being more top heavy, and all that jazz. Numbers are even, so who cares how they are accomplished?

 

[shadowland2000]

Add me to the list of people that would prefer the Vette hands down. The Shelby is just a souped up 15 thousand dollar car.

 

[mattkimsey]

yeah and? Like I said: The GT500 competes in all cagetgories, ie: Slalom, lap times, 1/4 mile, 0-60, 60-0, etc. All numbers are very, very close with 800lbs extra, without an aluminum block, without IRS, being more top heavy, and all that jazz. Numbers are even, so who cares how they are accomplished?

Laptimes? The Cobra finished the road course 2 full seconds behind the 'Vette. With the average speed over 100mph, that is about 2 football fields including the endzone. Almost any car can put up decent slalom numbers. An '04 GT with $1000 in the suspention can slalom close to 70mph -- that doesn't mean it handles like a 'Vette. If you drive the cars, the extra 800lbs WILL be noticed (regardless of stats).

The only place the GT500 almost matches the 'Vette is in the 1/4. I wouldn't be suprised if Evan Smith runs low-12's, BUT I believe he also ran 12.6 in a C5 so who knows what he would do in a C6.

 

[rich8566]

I think the issue with this car centers around the gears. It spins the tires all the way through first. Better gears will put more power to the pavement and improve the times.

 

[Notchbck93]

Has anyone actually driven an 06 vette?

I can vouch that the ls2 loves to rev and begs for more. It pulls from the hole and doesn't stop until you choose to bang the limiter. The car feels like it is ready to take on the best of the best in all areas. It is a sports car... not a pony car.

Now my fox with the vortech under the hood would walk it in a straight line, but for a factory car that is well balanced, you can't beat the vette.

If your a non-union blue collar joe or just prefer a Mustang GT, I also drove an 06 GT and felt it was more day-to-day user friendly. Wasn't as fast to get stupid once I slammed the skinny pedal, but it still put a smile on my face; a much needed improvement over the fox.

There's a vid on the net of a new 505hp z06 walking a Ford GT from a roll. I somehow knew it would happen.

I had an opportunity to do lunch with one of the engineers from SVT and trust me, there is a lot of room for improvement from the Shelby.

I don't doubt an easy, reliable 600 rwhp from the new shelby. Ford leaves room for improvement beacause even if they put the best of the best of the best tech into these, people would look to extract more. Leave room for tuning, people are like wow, look at the quick 100 rwhp I picked up from a pulley, exhaust and a tune.

The pre-production car is not all it can be. Surprise is the greatest advantage in the automotive game.

 

[Frank99TA]

The ls2 is very similar to the ls6 in the old z06. It's smoothe and very strong. My old Z06 pulled so hard, it felt like it was gonna pull the front end off the car. Nice part about the ls1/ls2 is that they respond very well to bolt on parts and make some serious power. I'm sure there's a lot of untapped power in the Shelby, but when you start messing with the pullies and getting it tuned, you are walking a fine line of voiding your warranty. They really can't complain about some headers or gears but that really doesn't put a strain on the motor. What other people have mentioned is that its a 500 hp car built on the platform of a 19,000 dollar car. To the average idiot, they probably couldn't tell the difference between a GT or a Shelby, but they probably sure know what a corvette looks like. Its like when everybody complained when the v6 camaro looked just like the z28 except the emblem on the side of the car. It was hard to justify the extra 4000 sometimes, unless your a motorhead in which case its a no brainer. V8 is the only way to go!!

 

[Mickey21]

As some might know, I was waiting this long for a GT500, but honestly I think I am going to change my mind. I love my previous Mustangs I have owned before, but I am now looking into a 2006 GTO. I just dont know if 1) I want to wait anymore for the idiots to stop paying too much money for a GT500 so I can get one at a more reasonable price and 2) I dont know if a slightly faster car with a less interior IMO is worth 14,000 more just because it says Shelby on it.

I am really torn because I really wanted a unique Mustang, but I dont want to bend over for it too much either. Not to mention a pretty fast car like the GTO is such a good deal right now, even better that I do get GMAC discounted rate plus summer incentives. It is just too hard to pass up now. I just sent in my loan app to my credit union and should know soon. Just dont feel like waiting much longer for what is seeming to be a too heavy, high horsepower but heavy weight, mild interior sort of let down. Oh well, I still love the car (GT500), I just dont think this iteration is going to be for me anymore.

 

[Spdfreak]

God, what a bunch of whiney p*ssies!

 

[BETTERBULLITT]

Why the heck would you guys pay money for Car and Driver anyway...?? They are owned by a bunch of American hating French. Their parent company has stolen a famous picture taken by Michael Yon and distorted it to contain anti-US troop propaganda. No self-respecting American should buy that magazine..

Here are some links to see what they did and ways to boycott them:

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/06/the_hammer_and_.html

And by the way I am waiting to see the Shelby in person. MotorTrend LOVED the car when they drove it. So maybe it isn't the pig everyone thinks it is. A few mods like people above have stated and I bet this car will be a beast. People said the same things about the 03 Cobra and we all know how that turned out... : )

 

[Frank99TA]

Hey Mickey, go test drive a GTO. Its a really nice car. I like the 05/06 better than my 04. My 04 was too bland. That's why I got the stang. For an American car, the GTO is very different. The inside was very european to me and things were'nt where they were suppose to be. Plus the trunk is tiny.. It barely fit my stereo.. The car rode very nice and its quick.. It was like driving a BMW on steroids.

 

[BLUE03GT]

There's a vid on the net of a new 505hp z06 walking a Ford GT from a roll. I somehow knew it would happen.

Oh and guess what... you forgot to mention it was a MODDED ZO6 dumbass... stock for stock a Ford GT puts lengths on a ZO6...

 

[Notchbck93]

Oh and guess what... you forgot to mention it was a MODDED ZO6 dumbass... stock for stock a Ford GT puts lengths on a ZO6...

Oh I apologize because the video midstream said that the vette has an intake and tune for a total of 488rwhp and 460ftlbs of torque. I guess the 550hp GT couldn't handle the challenge of a vette w/a cold air kit and a tune. If you consider that to be serious mods, I guess my DD 2.5L nissan must be an animal too because it has a header along with CAI and tune.

Do you even have the same video? May you post it for us for everyone to see and judge for themselves?

On another note, I would really consider the consequence of calling someone a dumbass when you obviously know nothing about them.

 

[BLUE03GT]

bottom line is... ITS MODDED....

give the Ford GT those same mods and guess what happens... it puts down even more HP and the race isnt even close... so why dont u compare stock for stock instead of modded to stock

In that case we can give a GT500 an intake and tune and watch it walk a stock ZO6 as well... what have u proven? nothing, just that a modded car with similar hp ratings is faster

And did i forget to mention that Ford GT's with 2 mods have put down near 700rwhp (pulley+tune)... if u want to see for yourself check out streetfire.net i have no time to argue somehting this ridiculous

Ford GT is compared to the Carrera GT and had nearly identical numbers in all categories

It has run 11.2's @ 132 bone stock... thehighest mph ive heard for the ZO6 was like 124-125

 

[shadowland2000]

Obviously the GT500 is a nice car. But at 45K it is in the price category of the base Corvette which is clearly a better all around sports car. Mustangs have always been a fast car for the common man. The GT500 is just another super car for the rich.

 

[White05GT]

Price and magazines aside, a plausible, quickly overlooked, explanation for the Shelby's lack of consistency in e.t. and m.p.h. is heat soak. Anyone with an '03 and '04 Cobra that has been on a dyno can attest to the significant difference in numbers after a few pulls.

Without getting into an NA vs. supercharger debate, the Shelby is going to lose a lot of "power" with a heat soaked Eaton. Notice the 111 m.p.h. trap speed and 117 m.p.h. trap speed in the MM&FF article from the same car. Also, C&D and Motortrend had differing trap speeds and different elapsed times.

Of course, I'm in the wait-and-see camp as far as the Shelby is concerned. For those of you who have the MM&FF article, check out the little box with the yellow Shelby and the "tune" talk. Questions to ask: is the Silver Oak processor pulling timing on shifts? Does the stock tune make the car lay down on the top end? Also, I'd be curious to know what the track conditions, weather and air quality were like, too.

In addition, there is merit to the "why should I have to mod it at all to beat an entry level Vette" argument, but I know my opinion would change if a simple reflash has a dramatic effect on the Shelby's performance. I'd be pissed if I decided on the C6 based on the article then got beat (in a drag race) by a Shelby with an SCT tune. I'll wonder about handling in another long-ass post.

 

[BLUE03GT]

well... the GT500 has run 12.2's @ 117 so stock for stock a C6 vette cannot compete in a str8t line... its just not gonna happen

 

[Mickey21]

Hey Mickey, go test drive a GTO. Its a really nice car. I like the 05/06 better than my 04. My 04 was too bland. That's why I got the stang. For an American car, the GTO is very different. The inside was very european to me and things were'nt where they were suppose to be. Plus the trunk is tiny.. It barely fit my stereo.. The car rode very nice and its quick.. It was like driving a BMW on steroids.

Yeah, I am test driving one tomorrow for giggles. All the paperwork is now in order so just a matter of getting the version/color I wanted transferred to the local dealership so I can purchase it. Looking into adding the sunroof as well but havent fully decided on that. Fun stuff.

GT500 is also a very nice car just not worth waiting for at this point topped with the much higher cost for not much of a reason... Considered a Corvette but really just need a back seat as well so it isnt an option.

 

[Notchbck93]

fastest that I have seen a bone stock C6, non Z, run is

12.4's at 114-115 traps...

Still sounds like a drivers race to me.

 

[Notchbck93]

bottom line is... ITS MODDED....

give the Ford GT those same mods and guess what happens... it puts down even more HP and the race isnt even close... so why dont u compare stock for stock instead of modded to stock

In that case we can give a GT500 an intake and tune and watch it walk a stock ZO6 as well... what have u proven? nothing, just that a modded car with similar hp ratings is faster

And did i forget to mention that Ford GT's with 2 mods have put down near 700rwhp (pulley+tune)... if u want to see for yourself check out streetfire.net i have no time to argue somehting this ridiculous

Ford GT is compared to the Carrera GT and had nearly identical numbers in all categories

It has run 11.2's @ 132 bone stock... thehighest mph ive heard for the ZO6 was like 124-125

WEll, not to cherry pick the fastest internet cars, but staying with the two cars that actually ran in the video:

The modded vette threw down 30 rwhp less than the GT and walked away from it. I suppose if you left it bone, bone stock with the original air in the tires (dealer installed air) and took the 25 extra rwhp it gained from the cai and tune, maybe the car would have slowed down so much that time would have stood still.

I just never thought I would have to get in a pissing contest over a cold air tube and a computer tune that amounted to 25 rwhp when it still had much less power and torque than the competition.

I mean no offense, but really, the only time I heard people crying over CAI's was two import guys trying to set up a race.

oh well to each of his own.

 

[Notchbck93]

Also, I think just about everyone on here knows how much a different pulley alone makes on a cobra, let alone, how it will most likely bring great results with the new shelby.

I remember reading articles that a full exhaust meaning longtubes, x-pipe, and new mufflers was good for 55 rwhp all by itself. Then add the cold air kit for another 24 rwhp, then add the pulley for more insane power.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, I really don't disbelieve that 3 months after this car is released, the new shelby, that there won't be vids going around with dyno graphs showing 600 rwhp. After all, I was fortunate enough to see some incredible stuff and do lunch with some inside sources.