going back to n/a

BlackVert

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well i took the kb out today. i am selling it but i have not yet put it up on ebay or the stangnet classifieds.

it took like an hour, and i was working slowly. why is it so much easier to take it out than it is to put it in? :bang:

this is kind of the end of an era for me. a short era. that was my boosted period.

with the money, i'm going to get my bumper painted, new seat covers, and get my steering fixed. whatever i have left will go into my h/c/i fund.

i am thinking i'd like to copy grady's combo. imitation is the ultimate compliment. :hail2:

here's the tech part:

i'll be essentially stock for a while. is the walbro pump ok for now or is it too much pump for a stock setup?
 
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pump will be fine. The stock pump is crap anyway, if you have a stock car and get a new pump, you will notice an increace in the top end because the pump will acutally be able to to keep up. Sorry to hear about the problems you've been having. best of luck with the new route
 
94-302-vert said:
Does this mean the plugs didn't take care of it?
i decided that even if it was the plugs, i am selling the k/b anyway. the more i thought about it, the more i realized that what i really want for this car right now is to have a car that i like to look at and drive. i can't tell you how sick i am of seeing that stupid ghetto-painted front bumper and the ripped, worn out seats. and the bearings in the steering column must be shot because i can feel metal on metal when i turn the wheel. and every little bump i go over, there is an extremely annoying rattle because of the combination of the strange struts and m/m c/c plates. i just don't like this car any more the way it is.

so i am going to use the money from selling the k/b to paint the bumper, get new seats, replace the struts or c/c plates, and fix the steering. any money left will go into my heads and cam fund.

for my new setup, i have a polished stock maf and throttle body that i'd like to use. and my lower is a polished holley systemax that has stock a bolt pattern. so if i can get my hands on a polished upper that fits a stock lower, then i'll be well positioned to have a good daily driver combo in an engine bay that is pleasing to the eye.

if anyone has a polished upper that bolts to a stock lower they are selling, let me know. until then, i'll bolt my ugly stock upper intake back on ...
 
Well Chris, I can see the plan to fix up those little things :D

If you are serious about doing something similar to mine :shrug:

I'll be more than happy to spend some time with you and you can learn from the mistakes I made with my efforts :nice:

I had some misconceptions about several areas when in the planning stage but since this was my first time at putting together a combo controlled with EEC and fuel injection ...... All my research about everything was only about 80% accurate. I just didn't know how effective self tuning could be :scratch:

I hosed up just a wee bit :bang:

All in all...things turned out better than I ever expected :banana: but...I could do better if I did it again :nice: no doubt in my mind ;)

I picked up NOTICABLE mid/high range pep with tb/maf upgrade. Been too lazy to get updated dyno results. Most likely, the numbers are gonna be like all the others anyway. Since the gain is easily felt or not subtle, I figure I got about 15 more give or take :shrug:

Still running stock catback :rlaugh:
I'm not gonna put up with the dreaded drone :nono:
It just ain't worth 5 more rwhp for my way of thinking :nonono:

Never the Less ... Still pulls pretty hard
and
smokes tires in 2nd with about 3/4 throttle :banana:

Let me know if I can be of any help when you get ready :D

Grady
 
thanks grady! please, please, please feel free to tell me all about what you would do if you were doing it again.

yours is the type of combo i can see myself being happy with ... good power without loss of driveability, but:

i have these ported e7's and i'd kind of like to see just how good they can do.

i also have this nice polished systemax lower that fits a stock upper that i'd like to use if i can.

so i guess i'm saying i'd like some direction on what i should do with ported e7 heads and a holley lower.

but i might be doing head gasgets soon anyway (if it still drives like crap and i tear it down), so that would be the time to change heads if i were going to do that.

what would you do?

and do you have the stock "accordian style" intake track/tubing and the stock maf housing?

right now, i'm going to put my stock maf/tb/upper back on with 19# injectors and new plugs and wires. hopefully that will get me back on the road until the k/b is sold and i have some money to play with.
 
KBCobra95 said:
I thougt you just got done installing the kenne bell a couple months ago? Why the sudden change now?
it has been 6 months now ... reasons:

- can't get tune right after 6 mos of trying, still pinging
- car is running horribly now, possibly blown hg
- no money to pay mechanic to change head gasgets
- need money to fix other things that make the car not fun to drive (suspension rattles, steering, worn/ripped seats/interior, ghetto painted bumper)
- i'm tired of worrying about it, and haven't enjoyed driving it since i put on the kb
- i want the car i love back on the road, worry and hassle free
 
94-302-vert said:
Have you thought about how much you are going to look to get from the KB?
i think $3,000 is a reasonable price for all this stuff:

the k/b blower (recently rebuilt, fully polished)
the other supporting stuff (k/b water neck, pulleys, fan belts, modified radiator hose, 6/8/10# pulleys ...)
the 42# injectors
the vac/boost gauge
the electronic fuel pressure gauge sender (no gauge tho)
other stuff thrown in (fuel rail, clamps, thermostats, pcv valves, hoses, clamps, 4" metal intake tube ...)
 
Sounds exactly like what I did. I put a vortech SQ S trim on my car when I had the 302. I took it all off and sold it just before I finished the install. I was 98% done. I put it all back to normal and drove it. Then I built a n/a 347 last summer. IMO n/a is the way to go. Less headache, less tuning issues among many things. Plus when youp ut thought into a good n/a combo, you can walk away from power adder cars. I've seen many 450rwhp n/a pump gas 347's on the boards.
 
ok so here are the constraints:

- stock e7 heads, ported by "thumper"
- stock maf
- stock t/b
- stock cam (for now)
- upper has to be polished to go with other polished stuff
- holley lower (has a stock bolt pattern, i'm not married to it though)

let's discuss where to go from there with a daily driver, with the thought in the back of our heads of an eventual cam change.

i want:
- ceramic long tubes
- high flow cat pipe

what intake?
 
Grn92LX said:
Sounds exactly like what I did. I put a vortech SQ S trim on my car when I had the 302. I took it all off and sold it just before I finished the install. I was 98% done. I put it all back to normal and drove it. Then I built a n/a 347 last summer. IMO n/a is the way to go. Less headache, less tuning issues among many things. Plus when youp ut thought into a good n/a combo, you can walk away from power adder cars. I've seen many 450rwhp n/a pump gas 347's on the boards.

damn near exactly what i am going through.

just sold my vortech, and buyin some worked over vic jr's real soon to go on a nasty n/a(hopefully dart) combo.

long tubes are a good start. just make sure they will fill the bill for future plans. same with intake, if you think you will stay with a stock block combo(rpm limited) then i hear good things about the trick flow track heat intake.
 
BlackVert said:
thanks grady! please, please, please feel free to tell me all about what you would do if you were doing it again.

Sorry I didn't get back sooner Chris.

To try and type all needed to explain is just too much so when you get ready ... we'll talk on the phone if you wish.

however

Here is the short list with no details ......
hotter Ed cam
intake ported
tfs elbow
larger tb
410's

yours is the type of combo i can see myself being happy with ... good power without loss of driveability, but:

i have these ported e7's and i'd kind of like to see just how good they can do.


i also have this nice polished systemax lower that fits a stock upper that i'd like to use if i can.

so i guess i'm saying i'd like some direction on what i should do with ported e7 heads and a holley lower.

I think it would be a challaenge to match combos with the E7's and that intake.

Many ported E7 based combos have been done and dyno curves can be seen if you do the research so you should not have any trouble seeing what they did. Heck ... I even done one before my current combo.

but i might be doing head gasgets soon anyway (if it still drives like crap and i tear it down), so that would be the time to change heads if i were going to do that.

what would you do?

If you tear it down that far ... that would be the time to get heads/cam in place that are gonna be your long term choice to save a lotta work.

and do you have the stock "accordian style" intake track/tubing and the stock maf housing?

right now, i'm going to put my stock maf/tb/upper back on with 19# injectors and new plugs and wires. hopefully that will get me back on the road until the k/b is sold and i have some money to play with.

No on the convoluted pipe. Did some flow testing a good while back and that kind of pipe really does restrict flow.

My setup is nothing but a straight pipe from the between the ProM 80 behind the headlight to the elbow thus giving me only a 45 degree bend. You can see it on my site on the motor upgrade page.

Looks like you got a plan to get your Stang to the point you can get more use out of it.

Grady
 
BlackVert said:
thanks grady.

do you have to take the heads off to change the cam?
nope, you also dont need to pull the lower intake if you buy the lifter tool that holds them inplace so they dont fall but its kinda risky if one falls in the motor youll have to do some fishing. easier to just pull it IMO for peace of mind

youll need to remove your valve covers, rovkers, pushrods, water pump, harmonic balencer, timing cover, timing chain and then you can pull the cam

its also a good time to replace lifters and timing chain while u have it all apart