Hey, you guys can help me, smart ppl inquire...

EDIT: Need help, rear end whine. *Now video's to see*

Well, it's been about, 9 months that I've owned my '99. Only had to replace the IAC so far, and, well obviously take it back to get the exhaust fixed 3 times after having it all done. (People are freakin' lazy, but I'm not a welder :) )

So, the very day I bought the car, I put it right up on the lift, and the first thing, and only thing I found wrong with the car, was that the rear had a minor leak. I immediately just serviced it myself, dumped the fluid, cleaned the cover good, painted it with enamel flat black, replaced the cover, replaced the fluid. I did not use an additive, and I used, I think it was 80 weight.

K, problem, it's still whining, no worse, no better, and the teeth, ya know, the gears, are perfect, no wear at all, not then, not now, however, now, at highway speeds, I'm getting what most of us would think is a cracked/rusted heat shield/broken type of sound, but it's coming from the rear, and only when I'm on the throttle. It however seemed to get worse when I top speed tested my car at the local airport. (I'm a pilot too, k, almost a pilot heh)

Anyways, it's a strange, sort of shattering, kinda of...as if someone took a bread knife, and rubbed it long ways across ur metal work bench, however, it's volume is directly related to how I press the gas pedal, seriously. If I just only touch the throttle lightly, (55-75mph ONLY it does this shatter sound, whines at all speeds, esp low speeds 30-50), it only slightly makes the noise, if I press the gas enough to maintain speed, like, just barely rest my foot on the gas, to maintain on the highway ya know, it is at it's loudest, if I put my foot down to like 1/4 throttle more more, especially if I down shift and there's more power, no sound at all. Also, the whining, if there's power on the rear, no sound at all. So basically if I'm gunning it from a dead stop and hammer it through 5th to 155mph, it will not make the sound at all, period, neither sound, if there's power going to the wheels, I have no bad sounds whatsoever, it's only when I'm light on it that you can hear it, which is 99.9% of the time.

So my point is, it's only when lightly on the gas, and, shattering, weird sound, from rear, at "only" highway speeds, above 80 it does not do it, below 55 it will not, the rear however whines once I hit about 20-25, and whines in a higher pitch with speed, until it's not noticeable, probably just not noticeable frequency to the human ear, that is, after 80 or so, mph.

Now I never beat this car, however, for the second time, I went terribly fast with it...., Wednesday I was stupid, and an import road my ass for over 20 miles on the way home from work, so, I dumped it in fourth on a well known straight away on the highway, finished it, and took 5th to 5800 rpm. I have "NEVER" done anything like this, I was just sooo pissed. I couldn't take it anymore, these imports/truck guys, just.....have to mess with me, why can't I just drive my car and enjoy the weather? Anyways, I do "NOT" condone street racing, or speeding or driving like an a-hole, like I did, I deserve to get my a$s kicked for the speeds I hit.

But the point is, I'm not sure if hitting this speed made it worse, but now I'm nervous about driving the car. The whining I'm used to, the shattering, I'm not...and all together, I think I very first noticed it like a month ago, going to work. 80 miles each way (I usually use my explorer or my cougar, take stang when weather is nice, once in a while, ya know, for the sake of just driving the car)

Any input at all would help. I'm a retard, and I think my stupid ego gave in, and let me finish off my rear end, which I didn't realize is a lot of money to have completely rebuilt/axles etc etc. I don't even want to say what speed I hit, and I'm not going to, but I have stock gears, so take it from there.

Please any input and I'm in debt to you. Thanks guys, really, this is the only place I've gotten any advice for my car, and my Capri back in the day in the 5.0 section, so, in the past 5 yrs, thanks a lot, and I hope somebody can help me. Maybe some of you that are starting to get to know me a bit, stang331 guy, is one, I'm only just starting to really get used to all the names and cars in here, the 4.6 area, where I've spent nearly every day since I got my car.

Btw, you guys have been 100% successful helping me with just, tips, and past experiences, in the past, so any input at all, will probably help. Thanks. A lot, in advance.

-Dave

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Well, noises are so difficult to diagnose over the internet.

I would suggest you take it to a mechanic you trust and let him actually listen to the sound. You could also record it so we could listen...

Do you know where it is coming from?

As for the "time you drove it hard" what you did is nothing for these cars and most people do it on a daily basis, not twice since they have had it. Its a strong engine you need to blow the cobwebs out of it every now and then :nice:
 
You may want to put the rear end up on jackstands and verify where the noise is coming from. Just be careful. It could be any number of things, but if you can pinpoint the exact location t is coming from then we should be able to point you in the right direction.
 
Ok, I'll do that. And, I'll get it nice and safe, and I'll start her up, get up to speed, and see if it will make the sound, but it may not, there really needs to be plenty of torque on the rear for it to make the sound, so running it with the wheels off the ground, may not work, however, I'll try while I have it up, certainly, and if it does, I'll record it, I have a good cam that makes very simple, yet high quality video, sound and all, so, I'll try to record.

If that doesn't work, I'm gonna just drive the car right down my street right here at the house, and, with the windows up, the only thing that might interfere is the exhaust noise, so, I'll do this...yeah, this will work. I'll put it in fifth at like, 1200 rpm at like 40mph, that should be quiet enough for the exhaust, and enough torque to get the rear to make the noise, but, I'm the only one available to hold the camera. I'll try holding it right up front, then maybe pointing it at the back, like hold it back toward the back seat, and, maybe, it will come out good enough for one of you to "recognize" the sound. I'll try all this right now, be back soon. With multiple vids, I'll probably do a total of only a minute but I'll break it into small pieces, like, in the front one vid, in the back one vid, and I'll try different speeds and gears to see what will get me the car as quiet as possible, where I can still have torque, I'm actually thinking 1krpm in third gear, and just get on it on a hill, should work.

It's just that my exhaust is extremely loud, as you can imagine, and it interferes badly when I make, well, any video, in the car, it makes the sound kind of muffled, the cam has only a cheap sound recording device installed, not like a camcorder or something. But I'm going to try, be back soon.
Thanks again.

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Ok guys. My camera is weird, and, it takes about 1mb per second to record video, even in lower settings. Anyways, with this in mind, I simply recorded a few short, clips, showing how it whines when gently on the gas, and how it doesn't do anything at all, when giving plenty of throttle, like, a little more than just to accelerate, like maybe, 1/4 throttle or more, like, where the car is really starting to pull good, I get no bad sounds period from the rear. As I've said so many times, heh, my bad, it only makes the whine and the shattering sound when lightly on throttle. I did, however, manage to make a perfect couple clips, to hear exactly what I'm talking about. One problem tho, I could not get the cam to pick up the shattering sound, it's like.....as if it's coming from way behind me, not enough for the cam's weak, cheap, simple mic to pick up the sound. However, you can at least hear the whine fella's, and tell me, just, give me, your honest opinion, that is all I expect. You guys have only done just that in the past. Never sworn by anything, however, every time, most of you know exactly what I mean, and, hit it on the nail. I trust you guys, and enjoy the idea that I can really get help here, again, I thank you guys for taking the time, and clicking these links ( I made them very small and simple, less than 2MB each *.wmv files, so any windows computer can view them) and helping me out. Any advice, tips, past experiences, anything, thanks, yo ****uh..

-Dave

LInks: For some reason, some computers with the newest version of "Flash Player", you don't see anything, and only hear it, just scroll down, and scroll back up, and the video will pop right up on the screen. This is just a dumb little bug, not really an issue, just fealt like lettin' ya know it may do this, as it does to me, but simply scroll down the page and up and the video simply appears, you'll see, it's easier to just view and see what I'm sayin', and 99% of you will see it without having to scroll up/down. Thanks, enjoy my half a$s vids, but, here they are, as I promised.

First: This one is obvious lol... http://media.putfile.com/Parking-forgot-cam-was-on-heh-53

Second: On throttle, no bad sounds at all...interesting huh? http://media.putfile.com/When-on-throttle-no-bad-sound-tho

Last: 15-25MPH, second gear, just gettin on hard, and right off throttle http://media.putfile.com/Gentle-run-first-second-to-high-rpm-14-gas-no-whine

Notice, when on the throttle, no sounds at all, period, I mean, nothing what so ever, but, first video, where I gently keep on the throttle, noisy as all hell, sucks you guys can't hear the shattery sound, besides I never went quick enough, but, the whine is the real problem. Any input.

Give me tha wisdom! Heh, I just really don't want to throw down like 4-6 billz to rebuild stock, cause I kinda need the car right now, and, if it's not serious, in just opinions, ya know, you don't have to swear by your word, but like, it would help a lot if I can wait 3 months and drive the car, and then, build a nice rear/axles/etc etc, when I do my full suspension and brakes.

Thanks regardless.

-Dave

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I would say your pinion preload on the gears is wrong, causing the gear whine, but i'm not entirely sure with the noise discriptions you are giving (plus you have stock gears)...


Mike (SVTtech) would be the guy to ask, i'm sure he'll chime in soon
 
*Bump*

I won't bump infinitely, don't worry. Just that, I know there's a few of you on here who can really probably help me with this.

A quick summary. Basically, I have no problems other than the whine, when gently on the throttle. Off throttle, or giving more than 1/4 throttle, the sound go's away. So, basically, hard on, or off, the throttle, and it's gone.

As far as I know, the gears are, and should be stock. The rear/axles etc etc, all looks entirely stock, and doesn't look to have been serviced even. Only, I replaced the fluid a while back, and resealed it, it had a minor leak, which is what I thought may have caused the noise, however, it wasn't empty, still had like a bottle or so worth in it when I changed the fluid.

I'm really curious if it's safe to drive. I stopped driving long distances with it, but I still take it out like twice a week, gotta have a little fun with it, as long as it runs, I can't help but fire it up, and have some fun. The 0-60 in this car is just an absolute blast, really pisses off my import buddies :nice:
 
SteedaGTJ22 said:
I would say your pinion preload on the gears is wrong, causing the gear whine, but i'm not entirely sure with the noise discriptions you are giving (plus you have stock gears)...


Mike (SVTtech) would be the guy to ask, i'm sure he'll chime in soon


Most likely cause of this is a bad pinion bearing. It is fairly common for this to happen even with the stock gears setup at the factory. pinion bearings are at there loudest on throttle tip in in the 35-50 MPH range, but some can make the noise at even lower speeds. as the problem gets worse the noise can get worse turning into more of a howl than a whine.
 
Ok, assuming that was the problem. What's a typical price for a fix? Like, say at Ford, or maybe just average price, or even a book price.

I was told by a friend, it's not something I can tackle myself, because certain things need to be stretched when putting things back together, among other things, that really require special tools, and experience, and I really can't do it myself.

I'm used to doing "everything" myself, except for my exhaust....but, if I can do it, I will try, but my buddy seemed pretty sure about messing with the rear.

Stock gears I figure are like, what 150-200...? And I'm hoping no more than 4 hours of work, I'm thinking 500$ should be more than enough, even at a dealer, but.... I called a local garage/machine shop, the best in my area. He said they just did a new Jeep that cost around 900, but I'm thinking that's a questionable number and doesn't matter, two entirely different vehicles, and what are the odds it was the same problem..

I really wish I had a lift, I would just buy every tool I possibly could, and never pay anyone a dime for anything! I hate just letting someone pull my car into a garage...I can't stand it, I dunno just the way I am.
 
SVT, or anyone knowledgeable, if the problem is (bad pinion bearing), what's involved with fixing it? Is it something really time consuming and expensive, like, would I be better off getting a rear/axles from a junk yard and making the swap?

There aren't really any trusty garages around here, but we have a good ford dealer nearby, is this something I should let ford handle, or should I find another mechanic?
Also, like I said, is it very involved, like a grand to rebuild, or is this something that can be fixed without too much effort and time. I'd really prefer not to pay a fortune to get this fixed, and the sound is getting worse. I'm going to put an additive in it this weekend and see if it helps, but I dunno if the pinion bearing even has anything to do with the gears, I'm not very educated on rear ends, at all. Never worked on one.

Please any advice, and if this is the problem, would the car be safe to drive?

All of this is assuming the problem is actually the bad pinion bearing, which I really think it is, after researching some. Sry for long post.

Keep in mind, 13k miles like this, and it's only just barely gotten worse.

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If it is a pinion bearing you have to remove the ring and pinion to replace it, which is 95% of a gear swap.

Dealership would probaly charge alot to diagnose and fix the problem. Two shops that I know of will install gears, and replace the bearings for $250, so thats basically what I would consider a normal price to pay. As for a dealership, probaly a bit more than that.
 
Yup, sounds like I'm gonna get some 3:73's, if not 3:55's. I don't want too short of a ratio, I really do like lots of gear.
Anyways, 250 you say?
Damn that's cheap, I hope I can get it done for something like that. I'll be happy with anything under 6-700, that is, with the new gears etc etc.

I'm going to put an additive in it and start driving it again. My experience with all my Fords tells me don't let it sit. Every time I let one of my cars sit something go's wrong, most often a thermostat or something really annoying.

Anyone know how many hours this job takes? I can then calculate the cost. I'm using my income tax money to get it done, bout a month from now, cause I've spent too much money on this car already, and I refuse to spend another dime of hard earned cash, no way. This had better be the last repair for at least a year.....