Any lifters in here?

[Ozz]

how intense do you want to get? I can help you shed a couple pounds and get lighter, or I can give you something more geared for a bodybuilding competition diet to retain muscle and burn fat and so forth. Guess which will get better results and be much harder

 

[Busted07]

how intense do you want to get? I can help you shed a couple pounds and get lighter, or I can give you something more geared for a bodybuilding competition diet to retain muscle and burn fat and so forth. Guess which will get better results and be much harder

I started eating better a few months ago. I was told that i should lose weight first, then go on to build muscle, that doing both at the same time would take forever to see any results. any truth to that? The only weight i need to lose is around my gut, and i was told thats the hardest place to lose it from as well.

I bought some of the deigner whey for after i lose weight because i know i dont get enough protien in what i eat, but im not using it yet because i dont want to get fat.

All the help is greatly appreciated by the way.

 

[1990Coupe]

how intense do you want to get? I can help you shed a couple pounds and get lighter, or I can give you something more geared for a bodybuilding competition diet to retain muscle and burn fat and so forth. Guess which will get better results and be much harder

i want to retain/build more muscle as well as shed the fat.. just to get a little more cut. Like i can "feel the 6 pack" i just cant see it well i can a little bit lol.. more like a distant 4 pack

 

[Ozz]

You can do both at the same time but a) not always, b) it's hit or miss, c) you'll want to quit and pick one or the other quickly!

Regarding gaining/leaning out first, pick what you're comfy with. If you're carrying too much fat as it is, you'll more than likely want to cut down first. If you can deal with a little padding and just want to get bigger (bodybuilding to me is art; right here you'd be building up the clay) and cut down later (sculpt it out).

I am currently, and loving, carb cycling. It's brutal on some days but the results are phenomenal and, IMO, worth it. Some people can't take it, thankfully I can.
It was recommended to me by some competitors and with it I've earned my best physique ever, lost no noticable lean body mass ("LBM", aka muscle ), and cut 4" from my waist. And I wasn't fat to begin with, so it wasn't the "first of many" pounds to go, as they say.

PM me for some personal guidance if you want. give me your stats, experience, goals (reasonable, don't say you want to get huge and ripped as fast as possible...) and so forth. Also consider foods that are basically grains, meat and veggies, and tell me what from those groups you do NOT like. I'll try to come up with a plan for you going along w/that.

 

[habiv]

4.5% is pretty amazing of a number for someone not preparing to hit the bodybuilding stage!

I'm pretty proud of that number All I do is eat sensibly, and let my active lifestyle and speedy metabolism do the rest. My father (who has been lifting for 35 years or so) is 59 years old and has around 10% body fat, so I think my genes are helping me out a lot A lot of people don't understand that eating sensibly helps out tremendously. Diet is where many people fail in getting their body to where they want.

 

[DMAN302]

I'm pretty proud of that number All I do is eat sensibly, and let my active lifestyle and speedy metabolism do the rest. My father (who has been lifting for 35 years or so) is 59 years old and has around 10% body fat, so I think my genes are helping me out a lot A lot of people don't understand that eating sensibly helps out tremendously. Diet is where many people fail in getting their body to where they want.

That's a hell of a percentage to carry..not sure it's healthy long term, but if that's what your body sustains then good for you. I personally find nothing but continual injury and depleted energy with sustained low levels but that's how my body works. Every few months (christmas to feb) I usually like to put on a good 10-15 pounds to allow me to work heavier and healthier to increase my lean mass...couldn't imagine continually keeping my fat level that low.

 

[Ozz]

Me either.

How was that tested, btw? Anything but hydrostatic or 9/12pt. caliper test and I'd doubt the results actually being contest-ready. Hell, even 9% is 'shredded' to most people.

 

[1990Coupe]

im at 16.5% i just did it last night.. id like to have it around 10-12%... but i have to stop temptation..

 

[Modular2v]

i lift very frequently

 

[habiv]

That's a hell of a percentage to carry..not sure it's healthy long term, but if that's what your body sustains then good for you. I personally find nothing but continual injury and depleted energy with sustained low levels but that's how my body works. Every few months (christmas to feb) I usually like to put on a good 10-15 pounds to allow me to work heavier and healthier to increase my lean mass...couldn't imagine continually keeping my fat level that low.

For most people I would agree with you but this is where my body likes to be. I in no way push myself to have such a low fat count. This is just the way my body is made. Believe me, I would do nothing to harm my body. I don't even take suppliments or anything, just natural lifting for me. My father and I were at the beach one day and some older guy (who looked like he was into physical fitness) came up to us and said, "you must be father and son. You both have amazing body types."

mansonozz - My bady fat was tested using the caliper method. I'm sure it is not ded on accurate, but I have no doubt that my body fat # is pretty low.

I should post a picture of myself because if you saw me you would understand how it could be so low. Remember, I only weigh 160 punds and prior to my freshman year in college (when I began lifting) I was at 135.

 

[Ozz]

Not doubting that you're real lean, I know people like that too. It's just that most of the time a caliper measurement is not correct. The lesser points taken for the measurement, the more room for error. I don't even like a 7 point test; you can eyeball it and guess closer than that will probably give you. Different people hold body fat more in different areas, so the less taken into consideration, the more room for an incorrect, actual measurement.

Not sure about you but I'm one who'd rather be dead on when saying something rather than go off an inaccurate measurement. Again, the measurement was most assuredly taken properly, BUT the calculation itself is quite error-proof.

With that said...as I stated already, 9% is considered ripped by most people who aren't a bodybuilder. 7% would be a big step down from 9 (because it's already so low, the smallest adjustments make more of a change in appearance) and so on. Now with THAT said, the difference between 5% and 7% is much larger a gap than say 15% and 13% (which is why we're making such a big fuss )

At 5% and under with decently added size from the gym, you should look nearly like an anatomy chart.

 

[habiv]

Not doubting that you're real lean, I know people like that too. It's just that most of the time a caliper measurement is not correct. The lesser points taken for the measurement, the more room for error. I don't even like a 7 point test; you can eyeball it and guess closer than that will probably give you. Different people hold body fat more in different areas, so the less taken into consideration, the more room for an incorrect, actual measurement.

Not sure about you but I'm one who'd rather be dead on when saying something rather than go off an inaccurate measurement. Again, the measurement was most assuredly taken properly, BUT the calculation itself is quite error-proof.

With that said...as I stated already, 9% is considered ripped by most people who aren't a bodybuilder. 7% would be a big step down from 9 (because it's already so low, the smallest adjustments make more of a change in appearance) and so on. Now with THAT said, the difference between 5% and 7% is much larger a gap than say 15% and 13% (which is why we're making such a big fuss )

At 5% and under with decently added size from the gym, you should look nearly like an anatomy chart.

I agree with you 100% that the calculation is probably off a bit. Either way, i'm pretty lean. I would like to have it tested again because when I was tested I was in college and drinking quit a bit of beer. I don't drink anymore so If anything, I would say that my fat count she be lower than it was back then. however, I am older so that should change the calculation also. And by the way, some could argue that I look like an anatomy chart. you would have no problem counting my ribs

 

[Ozz]

I mean the muscle bellies being separated (4 quad heads, anterior/lateral/posterior deltoids all split, biceps split, bi/tri splits, the 'christmas tree' visible on your lower back below your lumbars, lats visibly coming out of the rib cage etc.).

 

[habiv]

I mean the muscle bellies being separated (4 quad heads, anterior/lateral/posterior deltoids all split, biceps split, bi/tri splits, the 'christmas tree' visible on your lower back below your lumbars, lats visibly coming out of the rib cage etc.).

Nope, none of that, only thing I do have is split biceps. But so does my father so again, the gene thing comes into play. If you haven't yet noticed he and I are carbon copies. Like I said, it probably is higher and I would like to get it tested again. however, although lifting is a major part of my life I only do it as a hobby and to feel better so I am not too concerned about what my exact fat count is. i don't plan on competing any time soon. Do you compete? you sound like you have a wealth of knowledge on the subject. Anyway, happy lifting!

 

[Ozz]

Gotta love genetics! The good ones, anyway. I didn't get lucky at all in that respect except I wasn't too tall to go w/my lankiness and I wasn't short n' pudgy. Gave me a good foundation but everything I've done, I've earned the hard way.

Long ass post warning:

Thanks, I've spent the past few years studying all aspects of nutrition and training, and experimenting with all sorts of techniques and such to see how I respond. Spent a few years privately training people in the gym and as a nutrionist, and so on. I've trained all sorts of people to get wherever they needed to be: powerlifters, bodybuilders, out of shapers, string beans, you name it. I just love how you manipulate your body mechanics. I'm also a hardass so I love the discipline it takes and knowing that many can't even think of doing what you do 24/7.

I train, eat, and think as if I compete but I have yet to do so. More and more people ask if I do/suggest I should as the time goes on too, so I guess I'm getting closer to when I should really consider it. I have friends who've done it prematurely and, being my own worst critic, I don't want to jump the gun and go too soon. If and when I do, it'll be when I feel I can walk in there and just blow everyone away in my class. I spent all last year working on nothing but proportions and symmetry in order to perfect as much as possible what I had and what I've built, pretty much going on the thought that I will compete. Whether I do or not, I still want to look as good as I possibly can while staying in proportion and building the illusion. Bodybuilding is my art; it's so much more to some of us than just lifting weights.

 

[trents99]

I've been working out for a few years. I guess you could say I'm serious but not serious. I have a full set up in the basement with all my free weights but I'm not huge. About 5'9'' 185. One rep maxes are 225lb bench, 335lb deads, 275lb ass to grass squats. I started a 5x5 about 10 weeks ago and when I got to my new PR on ATG squats I had to stop. I've had to take a few weeks off because I've killed my right hip flexor and have what I believe to be bursitis in both legs. I never did ATG until these workouts and they kill, way better than parallel. I've been stretching daily to get my legs back under me so I can start again. My flexor is feeling much better but the bursitis is still there. Sitting at a desk all day doesn't help either.

If you can squat you should, it'll really helps put on the size.

 

[habiv]

mansonozz - "Bodybuilding is my art; it's so much more to some of us than just lifting weights." - Amen brother!

your short bio sounds great! You are much more into the minute details of the sport than I am; ie. nutrition and training. I am looked at by some as being a little obsessed with my body but you are on a whole nother level than I am! And don't by any means take that in a bad way. I think it is a great thing to be so involved in something and I know exactly how you feel about the sport and your body.

I'm pretty modest so I feel kind of weird putting a picture of myself up on the internet, but let's just put everything to rest. 4.5%, 9%, 15%, whatever, I'm a skinny dude! The pics are horrible quality but it's the best I could do. I'm really just naturally very skinny. I don't even do abs that much!

 

[bynummustang]

awesome deadlift! How come the squat wasn't near it?

edit: wouldn't 5'12" be 6'0"?

Thanks, my squat sucks because my knee can't handle it. I've had 2 surgeries on it, and broke it earlier. I used to be able to box squat 375, but that's box...

 

[310stanger]

375 is nothing to sneeze at. What matters is not how much you lift but how much your lifting to push yourself and to keep making gains as much as you possibly can. Id like to be able to push myself doing squats but being that my career ( auto tech) is not condusive to frequent leg blasting workouts. Having to walk all day long and if I were to hurt myself could be very bad. I stick to leg presses and and extensions. But I more then understand the power of the squat.

 

[310stanger]

mansonozz - "Bodybuilding is my art; it's so much more to some of us than just lifting weights." - Amen brother!

your short bio sounds great! You are much more into the minute details of the sport than I am; ie. nutrition and training. I am looked at by some as being a little obsessed with my body but you are on a whole nother level than I am! And don't by any means take that in a bad way. I think it is a great thing to be so involved in something and I know exactly how you feel about the sport and your body.

I'm pretty modest so I feel kind of weird putting a picture of myself up on the internet, but let's just put everything to rest. 4.5%, 9%, 15%, whatever, I'm a skinny dude! The pics are horrible quality but it's the best I could do. I'm really just naturally very skinny. I don't even do abs that much!

Your'e very cut, I wish I was that cut. My genetics are effing me on that early in life lol the beer aint helping either. But im workin on it lol