EGR delete kit need help

stevesLX

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O.K. guys I just had my motor rebuilt and have about 200 miles on it. My fuel milage sucks. On both tanks of gas I have only been getting about 9-10 miles to the gallon. I am driving all highway also. Another thing is I pulled my plugs and the 2 closet to the firewall on both sides are burning super super rich. Black with deposits and wet. I have O2 sensors hooked up they were only about 1 1/2 months old before I rebuilt the motor. I am reusing them. What I dont have is any EGR stuff. Where the harness comes out of the firewall on the passanger side I have 4 plugs just hanging there and nothing to hook them up to. Somebody told me thats all for your EGR and until you fix that you are going to run rich and your fuel mileage and consumption is going to stink. So I need some help to fix this I hear there are EGR delete kits that you can buy. I dont know anything about this stuff or how to even hook it up so anyone out there help me out. If its true and you can fool the computer what do I need where can I buy it and how does it hook up?
 
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Use the diagram to figure out what you left unconnected.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

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See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
OR
See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/pc-7208-90-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
When I bought this car the EGR was already removed from the car. So I have been told there is a delete kit you can by and fool the computer into thinking its still there. Like I said right now I dont have anything but some plugs blowing in the wind . The plugs I have are

1. EGR vacum regulator solenoid
2. Thermocator air bypass solenoid
3. Thermoactor air diverter solenoid
4. A/C pressure switch( I dont care about the A/C it has been removed also by previous owner).

So I need to know where I can get one of these kits I guess? There is also a relay which I beleive is the WOT A/C cutoff relay that they hacked off the harness. Why I dont know. The car has 24# injectors 65 CFM MAF calibrated to injectors.

And my check engine light is non existent and god only knows what they did with that. I had this car in the shop a few months ago because it was running rough and rich and everything else and they were unable to pull codes out. They hooked their computer up and with the key on engine off they got a a code or two. Those they told me were the EGR. But then their computer tool would tell them to start the car and it would go thru some things and then it would get to a part in the test where it was suppose to bring my idle up to 1500 or 2000 I dont remember the exact number but it was suppose to hold the idle there and my car would rev up and go right back down to 800 or so and it wouldn't pull any codes. The only other code they kept getting was clutch switch or something like that. The car is a 89LX A9L computer
 
When I bought this car the EGR was already removed from the car. So I have been told there is a delete kit you can by and fool the computer into thinking its still there.


All that is is a resistor which tells he EEC that the EGR is present and functioning normally.

However, the function of the EGR is to pump inert gas (gas that will not combust) into the engine at part throttle. Since this "air" will not burn, the computer pulls fuel as well.

Now, with the EGR deleted and "tricked" the comp will still pull fuel, but now that inert air is replaced with combustable air and you will now run lean.

The proper way to delete the EGR is with a custom burned chip that adjusts the fuel curves. I honestly don't know why people are so infatuated with deleting the EGR. All it does is cause more problems for little to zero performance gain.
 
1. EGR vacum regulator solenoid
2. Thermocator air bypass solenoid
3. Thermoactor air diverter solenoid
4. A/C pressure switch( I dont care about the A/C it has been removed also by previous owner).

And my check engine light is non existent and god only knows what they did with that. I had this car in the shop a few months ago because it was running rough and rich and everything else and they were unable to pull codes out. They hooked their computer up and with the key on engine off they got a a code or two. Those they told me were the EGR. But then their computer tool would tell them to start the car and it would go thru some things and then it would get to a part in the test where it was suppose to bring my idle up to 1500 or 2000 I dont remember the exact number but it was suppose to hold the idle there and my car would rev up and go right back down to 800 or so and it wouldn't pull any codes. The only other code they kept getting was clutch switch or something like that. The car is a 89LX A9L computer

It's possible the CEL bulb is just burned out. You will have to pull the clutster to check this though.

Plugs 2 3 and 4 don't really need to be plugged in. They will not really affect engine performance much. The EGR plug should be pluged in though. Do you have a physical EGR valve on the engine??

What codes did they manage to pull off the car??
 
Computer problem Code 67 - clutch not depressed (5 speed) or car not in neutral or park (auto) or A/C in On position when codes where dumped. Possible neutral safety switch or wiring problem. This code may prevent you from running the Key On Engine On tests. You can generally ignore this code, since it has no effect on engine performance.

The computer wants to make sure the A/C is off due to the added load on the engine for the engine running tests. It also checks to see that the transmission is in Neutral and the clutch depressed (5 speed). This prevents the car from being driven while the computer is in test mode. Key On Engine Running test mode takes the throttle control away from the driver for several tests. This could prove hazardous if the computer was jumpered into test mode and then driven.

EGR problem
Fooling the computer with the EGR simulator does not turn off the EGR function in the computer. The computer still leans the fuel mixture, and adds timing to accomodate the recirculated EGR gases. This can cause ping at cruse speeds. You would need a custom tune & chip to eliminate the EGR function in the computer.

Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)
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The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 5in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 5in vacuum


Thermator Air System problem
The 44 & 94 codes can be eliminated by wiring a 70-100 ohm, 2 watt resistor across the TAB & TAD solenoid wiring (plugs 22 & 23 on the first diagam).
 

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No I dont have a EGR sensor even on the engine. Just to verify where exactly will it be so I can double check? As far as the check engine light there is no light bulb or nothing. The wiring in there is hacked up. The guys that owned this car before me only used this car on the weekeneds to drag race. I really dont think they cared about gas consumption or nothing else. When I got this thing it didn't even have O2 sensors the holes for them in the full length headers were capped off. These guys wee a bunch of idiots. Besides the plugs I named off before the only other plus I have hanging is one right next to the TPS plug and one next to the sensor thats up front by the thermostat housing. Thats it.