Gears and exhaust

[Nick_Rapitis]

I'm looking to get new gears for my 2000 3.8, any of you know which is better, 3.37 or 4.10? I want it to be quicker off the line even though i dont really race it because my brother has a firebird and even though they have the same size engine and roughly the same top end speed his gets going way faster and im tired of hearing about it, so if anyone cane help it would be great!

I also want to make it sound more like a bad a$$ muscle car and i already have duals form the cat back but its the 2 into 1 into 2 setup with two mufflers, it has 2 1/2 inch pipe the whole way through, wht can i do to make it throatier?

 

[232Mustang95]

People usually got with 3.73 if stick and 4.10 when auto, but don't fear the gears and go with 4.10's anyways. And if you get the gears, you better get the T-lok at the same time or just one wheel with spin instead of 2

If you want better sound, start from the engine and get headers (you got manifolds), then aftermarket H or X-pipe with cats (hi-flow), then any catback system you like. I got X-pipe and Magnapacks on my pony and I love how it sounds

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

thanks a lot, are the gears a diy job or professional? any idea how much it would cost for some shop to put em in?

 

[232Mustang95]

thanks a lot, are the gears a diy job or professional? any idea how much it would cost for some shop to put em in?

It's nothing I would try to do myself. The price is different from place to place.

 

[raz54]

If you have never installed gears before don't do it, take it to a shop. It's a job that has to be done right the first time. One reason you don't leave as quick is your exhaust. It's too free flowing which kills low end torque. Dual 2.5" pipe is way to big for a stock 3.8.

 

[232Mustang95]

If you have never installed gears before don't do it, take it to a shop. It's a job that has to be done right the first time. One reason you don't leave as quick is your exhaust. It's too free flowing which kills low end torque. Dual 2.5" pipe is way to big for a stock 3.8.

Strangely enough, but my pony only got faster with 2.5" from the headers and back. And on a dyno it was above stock the whole run, so I don't think I lost anything

 

[trock]

Remember that your top speed will drop more with 4.10s then 3.73s.

 

[232Mustang95]

Remember that your top speed will drop more with 4.10s then 3.73s.

My friend with a '95 V6 with 4.30's does 133mph at the 1/4, not so sure he lost a whole lot.
People with 3.73' or 4.10's still max out the speedo, so I don't think it's all that much to worry about. How fast do you really want to go?

 

[raz54]

Strangely enough, but my pony only got faster with 2.5" from the headers and back. And on a dyno it was above stock the whole run, so I don't think I lost anything

If you had your car on a dyno it's probably not 'stock' anymore and I'll bet you would gained even more with smaller pipes. 5" pipe is way more than a 'stock' .3.8 needs.

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

thanks a lot for all the info, it seem slike it goes both ways though, as far as the exhaust, the 2 1/2's are staying because im not gonna buy a whole new exhaust for it but deffinately will get the h pipe, as afr as the gears, my brother told me it'll cost like 700 to put em in so i dont know if i'll be getting that done any time soon either if he's right

 

[ChingonStang]

Forget the H Pipe and go with a X pipe.

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

whats the difference between an x-pipe and an h-pipe? performance wise that is, like what are the benefits

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

this is what i was planning on getting....

http://store.cal-mustang.com/showdetl-7-7987-20-0.html

what do you think?

 

[ChingonStang]

this is what i was planning on getting....

http://store.cal-mustang.com/showdetl-7-7987-20-0.html

what do you think?

The differences between which is better X or H are debatable....but I personally like the X-pipe and the way it looks. My local exhaust shop fabricated a custom X-pipe for me for half the price of that H-pipe you are looking at.

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

they made an x-pipe for you for like 40 bucks??? how much to put it on??? that seams like an amazing deal

 

[Give Me TP]

You don't "need" either an X-pipe or H-pipe. The V6 does not really benefit from a crossover connection on the midpipe because no two cylinders on the same bank (side) of the engine fire in sequence. Thus, a divorced dual midpipe, easily fabricated by a muffler shop from behind your stock cats, works just about as well performance-wise as an aftermarket midpipe and is relatively inexpensive.

Labor for gear changes usually runs $200-ish.

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

so are you saying to just get straight pipes through or like a custom fab x-pipe? im kinda new to the whole exhaust thing...

 

[Give Me TP]

The 2004 V6 that I had true dual exhaust put on has a stock GT takeoff catback and a divorced dual midpipe fabricated from behind the stock cats, with no X or H crossover. If you have a midpipe fabricated in similar fashion, it's not going to cost a lot more to have the shop include a crossover, but it's not really necessary from a performance standpoint.

 

[Nick_Rapitis]

what exactly is a divorced pipe? is it like an x or an h that was separated to have to joining piece?

 

[Give Me TP]

Yes, it's simply two separate pipes leading to the catback that are not connected to each other via a X or H crossover pipe.