why do yall not like the 5.4L

[SXYXC]

sorry to bring this up if it causes drama.
But there seems to be a lot of hate towards even the thought of a 5.4L or a 5.4 2V anyways..
why is that??

the way is see it, if you want to stay N/A why not go to the 5.4, more power to be made, and lots more torque is available.. but why is it a such disliked subject

 

[Winters98GT]

ill just edit this one and stay out of it........

 

[SXYXC]

ok,

 

[Orange...]

I HATE THEM!!!!! SUCH DISLIKE!!!!



actually, I have no problem with them. Nor have I seen anyone hating on them, but maybe I should look more for anger and hatred towards this motor of mystery.

 

[SXYXC]

well actually thinking about it no one really claimed to hate them, but they seem to like to bash them alot....

 

[LaserSVT]

It wasnt a hate thing, I saw the other post and the whole thing was you cant swap one in our cars for under 2K unless the motor is free or almost free and you did all the work yourself.

 

[CENTENNIALSTANG]

I dont hate them, i know they have weak internals. I hate there weakness that makes them crappy

 

[Zax]

I had a 2003 F-150 FX4, and it was sweet. That motor was awesome. I would love to transplant the lightning set-up into my car.

 

[02LaserRed2V]

I just think there are other more cost effective and convenient ways to make power. IMO the 4.6L can make more than enough power, especially for a street car.

Some ppl often get caught up in the setup they have and try to convince everyone else their route is the best way to go.

We all have our own reasons for choosing our mods, but it doesn't mean it would be the best route for someone else.

 

[jprovence]

I would love to put my P1SC on a 5.4 2v and put that in my car.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

I don't hate them, but for the next to no horsepower advantage and little torque return you get after the fact, it hardly makes the transplant worth the effort IMO.

 

[CatmanJJ]

Aren't they just stroked 4.6s with the same bore, that's what I heard anyway.

 

[TGJ]

sorry to bring this up if it causes drama.
But there seems to be a lot of hate towards even the thought of a 5.4L or a 5.4 2V anyways..
why is that??

the way is see it, if you want to stay N/A why not go to the 5.4, more power to be made, and lots more torque is available.. but why is it a such disliked subject

I have been around a long time and have followed the 5.4 scene. What I am about to present is FACTS as to why a 5.4 is not going to overcome a 4.6 in a 2V N/A project. I did about 4 years of research including talking to 3 Ford Engineers who work around the Modular Engines daily before I had my 2V N/A project built. This is what I have got on the 5.4 2V N/A cars.

A 5.4 2V N/A car WILL NOT make more HP than a 4.6 2V N/A car with the exact same mods. The best to date I have seen of a 2V 5.4 N/A car get is about 20 RWHP LESS than an equal 4.6 2V. This comparison is J.Miller's 96 5.4 2V Cougar compared to Mike V's BullittBird when it was N/A. In fact Miller's car has a better supporting cast of mods than the BullittBird had and was like I said 20 RWHP short of the 4.6. That is the closest a 5.4 2V N/A car has gotten to equal a 4.6, most that I have seen are about 50+ RWHP short.

Part of the problem is that the 4.6 and 5.4 have the exact same Bore( 3.55" ). The 2V heads in stock form are not adequate enough for the 4.6 to be a performance motor, how the hell can they be adequate for the 5.4 which is moving more air. This is the reason for the big Torque of the 5.4. The best ported 2V heads are barely good enough for a 4.6 N/A performance car, BARELY good enough. Those heads are still not good enough to see results with a 5.4.

The other part of the problem is that the longer stroke of the 5.4 has more frictional losses than the 4.6. Again it goes back to the heads as they do not flow enough air to overcome the friction losses. With the same grade of parts internally, the 5.4 will not be able to Rev as high as a 4.6 would be able to safely. A 4.6 built properly with the best 2V heads can see 9000 RPM. You would need a hell of a 2V setup to rev that high and make horsepower which Ken B did. A 5.4 with those same grade of parts would be limited to just less than 7500 RPM and it would probably not be making significant power at that level.

Forced Induction changes things quite a bit because you are now forcing and cramming the air in. With the right set of mods, the 5.4 2V FI will make more power than the equivalant 4.6. You will need FI to do it with a 2V.

If you are truly considering the 5.4 and want to stay N/A, you need to go with a 4V. With the best ported 4V heads, it will show gains over a 4.6 with the same mods. That is the route you need to go to get there.

 

[Matt's 03 GT]

5.4 4V is great and very expensive.
5.4 2V does not make enough power to justify the cost.
4.6 2V forged and blown will make more power than needed for a street car.

 

[r3dn3ck]

you guys are funny.

 

[Seraphitia102]

I don't hate them, but for the next to no horsepower advantage and little torque return you get after the fact, it hardly makes the transplant worth the effort IMO.

it's just nice that you can say you got a 5.4L now. doesn't it feel a lil big down there (i mean downtown) when you say that? especially to a 1.8L import?

 

[TGJ]

you guys are funny.

That is what I say about guys like you...

 

[Poisoned Pony]

I don't hate them, but for the next to no horsepower advantage and little torque return you get after the fact, it hardly makes the transplant worth the effort IMO.

exactly what I was going to say.

 

[2002VertGT]

Anyone see the recent MM&FF article about Steve Matusek's Pro 5.0 modular? He's running a 5.4L BUT, destroked it.

http://www.nmratv.com/index.php?str...green07/20071007_NMRA_BG_Intro.flv&playlist=1

 

[SaleenGT2001]

most people dont like them b/c the swap wont yield more power.

i would not spend any money on a 5.4 when a less expensive s/c will give more power. unless you want over 1000rwhp a 4.6 will support everything you will want.