How to beat a LS1

Im sure it would be a close race but he should start walking away from you...especially in a 6 speed one.

They usually trap like 105 and run low 13s bone stock with the 6 speed.

Sorry man...you run high 13s at 101 mph where as he runs low 13s if not better at like 105...he cants drive if he didnt pull away from you.

actually if i find the slip ill post it, but i got no need to lie my best to date is 13.2 at 105 with d/r's powershifting at 6k i got multiple people witness to me staying right next to him from 10-100.
 
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Steps to beat an LS1.

Step #1: Detail Mustang

Step #2: Buy for sale sign, place it on Mustang with amount you are willing to sell it for.

Step #3: Once Mustang is sold, purchase either a Camaro or TransAm, 1998 or newer.

Step #4: Go beat your fellow ellis juans.


Perhaps the title should have said "How to beat a LS1 in a Mustang"... lol.
 
Why people always look down on stangs when someone mentions an SS or something? I mean i like my mustang and i would work it up to beat something if i raced the thing. I read a 03-04 cobra guy being scared to a worked SS.. i mean damn it seems like ls1 is godly or something and i know its not.

I mean am i confused or what? A lightly modded GT would not beat an SS unless its a ****ty driver?
A lightly worked 03-04 cobra verus a lightly worked LS1-- outcome with good drivers???

I know a STOCK 96-98 will get its ass tore up by mostly any car on the road today lol.

Now, my car is a slow stock nonpi and i dont race, so it doesnt matter.

and 02LaserRed2V i know your car would eat one up and spit it out for dinner:hail2: :hail2: :hail2:
 
LS1s really are that big and bad though. GM did their homework and put a great engine under the hood of the Camaro's and Trans Am's.

They are a great straight line car. I favor T/A's over Camaro's as far as looks but there is still something about a Mustang that draws me to it alot more than the GM competition.

Maybe not as fast stock for stock, but the 4.6 and 5.0 are both potent motors when done right. Chevy just has a displacment advantage and some very good heads to work with from the factory.
 
Go wreck your car and pick up an 03-04 cobra :shrug:

LOL stock LS1s can be evend and sometimes beat by a full bolton/cammed GT. You will really need a blower or N20 to beat a mildly modded one. Now head/cam camaros are alot tougher....most of them that are out there would probably take my pullied cobra. :shrug:
 
+1.

Not that there aren't 7857485748578943789347 threads/post about the subject anyways right. A stock GT will beat a LS1

X100000

I agree

My best freind, in 2001 with little track experience(under 20 passes) with only bolt ons! Front end, both wheels completely off the ground! 11.8x at over 115mph. BTW, I TOOK ALL THE PICS ON HIS website at HRP, at his house, and at MTI in Houston in 2001-2002

http://www.motorsporttech.com/customer_rides/jjensen01.html
http://ls1tech.com/wheelsup/launch.jpg



Try that trap speed in a stock 2v with only bolt ons. Get a blower, or spray the car.

God I love these threads. Im a die hard 4.6 guy(Ive had 3 sn95 4.6's). However, its great to see the people say how to spank a ls1 etc. Guess what? Ive raped a rt/10 viper and my buddies(same guy as above's dad ls6 vette) at the track and on video. Does that make my old gt that trapped 104-106 faster? Hell no, I knew my car, outdrove them, cut a better light, and it was over. You will not make a bolt on GT faster than an ls1 with equal traction, driver and mods. and if the car has ls6 heads or an intake, you have no chance NA. Ive also put the smack down with mid low 13 second runs on ls1's in the early 2000-2002 years, but I know that my car is not faster, just cut a better light and got lucky. As many times as Ive won against them, Ive lost many more NA to them.

Please search this. Thousands of threads over the last 11 years on this subject
 
I hate these threads. LS1 guys tend to be more open minded about Mustangs than Mustang guys are on the LS1.

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Every LS1 owner I have ever met has been closed minded. Even me when I had my 99 FRC, I said no way a Mustang could outrun me:rlaugh: I have outrun many LT1s and a couple LS1, and I know it was more luck and driving than having more power. I have 299.8rwhp so I have about the same HP with alot less torque. Yeah we all want to smoke LSX all the time and most of the people on here are smart enough to know we cant without big HP upgrades or excellent driving skills.

I have noticed anytime someone brings up this subject you are the only one that gets bent out of shape about it. Im not trying to flame you and I do respect your point of view because you do own both, but dont take it personal and always praise how wonderful the LSX bords are with more intelligent and open minded people.
 
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Every LS1 owner I have ever met has been closed minded. Even me when I had my 99 FRC, I said no way a Mustang could outrun me:rlaugh: I have outrun many LT1s and a couple LS1, and I know it was more luck and driving than having more power. I have 299.8rwhp so I have about the same HP with alot less torque. Yeah we all want to smoke LSX all the time and most of the people on here are smart enough to know we cant without big HP upgrades or excellent driving skills.

I have noticed anytime someone brings up this subject you are the only one that gets bent out of shape about it. Im not trying to flame you and I do respect your point of view because you do own both, but dont take it personal and always praise how wonderful the LSX bords are with more intelligent and open minded people.

yeah, ill admit LS1 boards are pretty respectful of 03/04 cobras - but from there down to n/a cobras to GT's it's a hairy path of ignorance
 
yeah, ill admit LS1 boards are pretty respectful of 03/04 cobras


thats cause they know whats up.

heres a breakdown, a SS or WS6 is the top level of Fbody. they usually compare those to a GT or Mach1, which are the mid-level Mustang. when they compare apples to at least oranges, or in this case the top-level cars, its obvious they are outclassed, when comparing the top-level Mustang (at that time a 03/04 Cobra) to the top level Fbody (SS or WS6).

Ive said it once and ill say it again, when ford finally built the perfect mustang, it stopped competing with the Camaro/TA entirely and bitch slapped its daddy, the Corvette. so much, that 5 years after the last SVT Cobra rolled off the assembly line, and 3 years after the GT500 made its debut, GM finally returns the favor with the C6 ZR1, a car that stomps any factory mustang and Ford GT to boot. however i highly doubt the power war between the two are over, i wouldnt be suprised if within 5 years we see fords first factory turbocharged V8 vehicle to return the favor once again.

how many videos do you see of 03/04 Cobras (especially modded) racing Fbody's, as compared to the countless videos of C5/C6 Vettes versus a 03/04 Cobra? i rest my case.

but from there down to n/a cobras to GT's it's a hairy path of ignorance

its just that since the SS/WS6 is naturally aspirated V8 they compare it to fords naturally aspirated V8 which is a pretty close-minded comparison. Ford made up for the lack of displacement when it let SVT throw a supercharger onto their measly 4.6L and look what happened, they created a huge aftermarket sensation almost overnight, with a car that is easily modifiable and that takes the abuse well, a block and rotating assembly capable of huge gains over stock.
 
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Every LS1 owner I have ever met has been closed minded. Even me when I had my 99 FRC, I said no way a Mustang could outrun me I have outrun many LT1s and a couple LS1, and I know it was more luck and driving than having more power. I have 299.8rwhp so I have about the same HP with alot less torque. Yeah we all want to smoke LSX all the time and most of the people on here are smart enough to know we cant without big HP upgrades or excellent driving skills.

Ok you are talking in person. I am talking in the community whether it be in person(even though some of the guys in our F-body club also have Mustangs and our local club exclusively uses a Mustang shop to dyno our cars) or on the internet. Not to mention one of the biggest LS1 sites has Mustang owners as moderators and generally respect mustangs. I have seen a few threads where they were bashed and the LS1 guys defended them. I am also on a few other F-Body sites where they have an open mind.

I have noticed anytime someone brings up this subject you are the only one that gets bent out of shape about it. Im not trying to flame you and I do respect your point of view because you do own both, but dont take it personal and always praise how wonderful the LSX bords are with more intelligent and open minded people.

Because I get ****ing tired of the
"My stock GT with flows stayed with an LS1 so I think they are slow all can be beat."
When you try to tell them that the LS1 cars can run 12's stock and possibly beat a non driver, you get BS flags.

"LS1's make more hp than whats they are rated for?BS, I never seen this"
When you show them proof, they show their ass by saying how a Mach 1 is the same as a 99/01 Cobra but with a solid axle, or say well the 4.6 has more hp/liter than a LS1 as if that means any damn thing in a race:rlaugh:

"The LS1 will always make more hp bolt on for bolt on verse the 4.6"
Then they come up with the Cobra R motor in a 4.6L debate

They **** gets old. You try to educate them and all the Mustang kids do is flame even more and look like an asses. At least most of my F-Body buddies ask about a Mustang and what they are capable of. Some of us are like ricers that know jack ***** about the cars, but try to pretend they do and really look like fools. So now I just tend to not offer advice or give out the wrong info on purpose and just laugh:D
 
Ok you are talking in person. I am talking in the community whether it be in person(even though some of the guys in our F-body club also have Mustangs and our local club exclusively uses a Mustang shop to dyno our cars) or on the internet. Not to mention one of the biggest LS1 sites has Mustang owners as moderators and generally respect mustangs. I have seen a few threads where they were bashed and the LS1 guys defended them. I am also on a few other F-Body sites where they have an open mind.



Because I get ****ing tired of the
"My stock GT with flows stayed with an LS1 so I think they are slow all can be beat."
When you try to tell them that the LS1 cars can run 12's stock and possibly beat a non driver, you get BS flags.

"LS1's make more hp than whats they are rated for?BS, I never seen this"
When you show them proof, they show their ass by saying how a Mach 1 is the same as a 99/01 Cobra but with a solid axle, or say well the 4.6 has more hp/liter than a LS1 as if that means any damn thing in a race:rlaugh:

"The LS1 will always make more hp bolt on for bolt on verse the 4.6"
Then they come up with the Cobra R motor in a 4.6L debate

They **** gets old. You try to educate them and all the Mustang kids do is flame even more and look like an asses. At least most of my F-Body buddies ask about a Mustang and what they are capable of. Some of us are like ricers that know jack ***** about the cars, but try to pretend they do and really look like fools. So now I just tend to not offer advice or give out the wrong info on purpose and just laugh:D

I hear what your saying, ive owned them all. My LT1 Formula was insane in a straight line but very scarry in a corner. My 99 FRC was killer and with mufflers, a k&n and a hypertech did 356 rwhp so they love mods. The biggest problem of Vetts is they appear big while driving and I am always worried about hitting something. I realize their power and alot of people on here do too. I see more of yeah I beat one but I got lucky or drove better. We realize we are not faster we just seem to react better. Besides I had a 98SS and a 99FRC ant the Mustang shifts way easier which would help joe schmo beat joe scmuck:D Anther thin is I know I cant outhandle my old 99 Vette, with some decient mods I can, but the Mustang just feel nimble and inspires confidence. I know it could be dangerous for some but I much prfer a car that inspires confidence tham one that handles better but makes you nervous, such as a Vette. F-bodies on the other hand dont handle as well as a Cobra and scare the crap out of me in high speed corners. Dont care about the whole torque arm argument you are thinking of, hell a show just switched a Camaro to a Mustang style rear suspension and raved about its level of improvement. IRS is cheep to slap in (how much for a F-body?) and the 4-link is easy to make very track worthy.

Sorry to ramble, pain meds just kicked in, chemo is a biotch:nonono:
 
what about me running against my bros 88 monte SS with a 305 TPI swap. Then again with his built 350 coming in this spring. He told me he is just gonna build it up but didnt tell me anything else. He has a 5spd too, CAI, Alum driveshaft, and thats all i can rem.