You can get it alot cheaper other places. The Mongoose kit from MPH is one example. I got my complete vortech kit intalled and dyno tuned for 4500 from a local mustang shop. Unless that has an intercooler or something, but that would still be high. The Mongoose kit comes with a tune that has been proven time and time again to be dead on. I would call modularpowerhouse before you spend 7k.
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You can get it alot cheaper other places. The Mongoose kit from MPH is one example. I got my complete vortech kit intalled and dyno tuned for 4500 from a local mustang shop. Unless that has an intercooler or something, but that would still be high. The Mongoose kit comes with a tune that has been proven time and time again to be dead on. I would call modularpowerhouse before you spend 7k.
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yes it is intercooled.. and superchargersonline.com sells them for $4100 (vortech v2 sq sc trim)
i would get a mongoose kit but i already have a custom chip. and he is only charging me $185 for the retune.(dyno)
I got the vortech sq mongoose kit from modular powerhouse in august of 2007. I just started to work on cars and I put it on myself.(except for the belt) The tune that came with it was great. The car needed no adjustments. I was going to get a procharger also partly because of the oil pan deal, but it really is not a big deal to tap the pan. With just a cat-back and x-pipe it is making 354 hp.(stock throttle body also) If you want a real good kit with a great tune and no hassles, I would go with MPH's vortech kit.They have a real good reputation. They say that the sq makes about 15hp more then the s-trim. You can even call MPH from the dyno if your tune is off and he will walk you through what to do.Oh yeah. I have a MPH boost pipe also.
04YELLOWGT
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I think your getting screwed, is that with instalation too? Also what Intercooler are you getting or are you getting the Vortech Aftercooler?
Mongoose Kit - $3900
Paxton A/A IC - $1500
Tune - $185 (As you stated for a retune)
Install - $500 (Roughly I don't know what a typical shop charges for an install)
Total: $6085
Something doesn't add up to me?
04YELLOWGT
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Yea that would be alot cheaper, I just threw the Paxton in as a refrence. I've seen quite a few guys do a DIY for $500-$600.
a guy on the corral had over 300k on his motor, and 200k with the p600b procharger. Granted, that blower is a bit smaller than the p and d series. As for seals breaking, I cant tell you, Ive only had an svo blower car in the family.
Vortech and paxton make great units. I think vortech is the most popular because its fairly reliable, and they were the first centri blower on the market for the mod motors. I dont have experience with any of them besides the svo blower, so me to comment on another blowers reliablity bc of what I heard or somebody told me, would not be in your best interest.
For street power, and an overall quality peice, I would go for a nice roots blower or twin screw
Vortech and paxton make great units. I think vortech is the most popular because its fairly reliable, and they were the first centri blower on the market for the mod motors. I dont have experience with any of them besides the svo blower, so me to comment on another blowers reliablity bc of what I heard or somebody told me, would not be in your best interest.
For street power, and an overall quality peice, I would go for a nice roots blower or twin screw
Just wanted to clarify some issues. First, ATI does not supply or build MAFs with their Procharger kits. I run a Lightening MAF on my setup. Second, a little internet search will tell you that ATI builds the most efficient air to air intercooler on the market of those that are available with factory intercoolers. Are there some aftermarket intercoolers that are more efficient? Probably. The problem with intercooler efficiency is the front facia design on the 00-04 GT Mustangs. They are poorly designed when wanting to utilize an intercooler, so their efficiency is far from optimum. Now install a Cobra SVT nose (bumper) on your GT and you will probably gain upwards of 25% more cooling efficiency, which can translate into more hp. One other point is that the P1 and D1 blowers are gear driven and is the only centri gear driven blower on the market. This is one of the reasons that their blowers have less power surge than the others on the market. All the blowers out there have their pluses and minuses, but I think the info that we feed others who are looking to make a decision about purchasing one should be as accurate as possible. In all fairness, it's hard to be objective when you own a particular supercharger. Our comments tend to be subjective rather than objective because, afterall, no one would want to tell you that we spent 4K on a supercharger they didn't like.
04YELLOWGT
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Welll most people I've seen with ProChargers run the MAF as a blow through which I thought was what ProCharger reccomends or sold. They were using a ProM ATI MAF.
For the Procharger IC being more efficent where did you read that at, most sites that say that are ProCharger them self or distibutor of ProCharger. Also really ATI has prolly the most efficent IC sold with kit because no one else that I know sells a IC right with the kit. I know Paxton sells theirs as an add on and Vortech sells their AC as an add on also.
Im not really gonna argue any more, if I can find that files with the data log comparison on my computer I'll post it up. Like you said no ones gonna say what they did wasn't the best choice but as long as your happy with it thats all that matters anyway.
04GTMustang
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I have actually seen the opposite from some cars where the procharger guys are putting down more than the vortech guys. and i have talked to people that have had both procharger and vortech and they liked the procharger better. but really i guess its personal preference.
Not trying to argue, I just want to clear up the MAF issue. ATI's Procharger systems are designed and fabricated as pull thru MAFs not as a blow thru. And since this discussion has been limited to relate to street applications, I will limit the content here to just that. ATI doesn't even sell the tubing for the conversion to a blow thru, let alone the MAF. There are a few aftermarket companies that sell the MAF and the straight line tubing for this conversion, but ATI does not. The problem is you need to have quite a bit of straight line tubing for a blow thru setup just before the MAF to ease the tuning issues that relate to air flow accuracy. There really is very little room on the ATI instructed fender well install for this. This very well maybe the tuning problem that you have been hearing about. I'm holding in front of me ATI's Procharger Owners manual, as well as their catalog and I find no blow thru application.
04YELLOWGT
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I believe you.
I didn't know that though, thats just what everyone runs around here, don't know why.
LOL
CobraRed_96_GT
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Wow your rwtrq # is way higher than mine. What pulley are you running? I only got 358 rwtrq on the dyno, yet the same rwhp # as you. Anything else you might attribute to your strong torque #? I have the usual bolt ons with no LTs.
04YELLOWGT
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Haven't owned one but know alot of people the do. Also what type of dyno where you on?
Would you like me to scan the piping assembly for my procharger owners manual? Procharger does nothing but blow-though. I think you have them mixed up. Vortech does the draw though design with the MAF PRE-blower. I run blow though on my car and have been for many years.
04YELLOWGT
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I thought thats what they did. I never looked at an owners manual on one but I thought it was awfuly strange all my friends would have done blow through conversions for no reason.
CobraRed_96_GT
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http://www.torktech.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=2
just FYI tho, the roots is the least efficient design of supercharger
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