Installing new door pins in the morning. How do bushings go?

[tording]

Ok. In the morning I will be installing new door pins in my 92 notch. I understand how to get the olds out by cutting them but how exactly do the new bushings go in with the new pins? the bushing has a lip on one end so where does that lip go? Facing up or facing down? I have posted a picture of what I am talking about. Hopefully this well help and you can tell me which pin is correct with the way the bushings go. 1, 2, 3, or 4. thanks in advance

 

[BlownFiveLiter]

I would probably say #1, so they're held in place at each end. You don't want them coming out of place and causing damage to the door/fender/sill should one come out of place and allow the door to sag or move.

 

[tording]

I would probably say #1, so they're held in place at each end. You don't want them coming out of place and causing damage to the door/fender/sill should one come out of place and allow the door to sag or move.

I agree with this so in that case wouldn't I want #2? With #1 the bottom bushing will have its lip on the bottom so if it was loose at all it could fall out. wouldnt you want the lip to be on the top like the top bushing would be?

 

[BlownFiveLiter]

I was under the impression that the clip/cotter pin would hold the bushing up under the hinge. I could definitely be wrong though since I don't know the distance between the bottom of the pin and the bottom of the hinge.

 

[Mikie]

I went out and looked at mine and they are like illustration # 1

 

[tording]

Awesome guys. I will do it like #1 then. Thats what I thought originally then I started thinking well what if the bushing falls out and that lip is not there to hold it. You are probably right though. The cotter pin probably holds the bushing up.

 

[Mikie]

Yep, you are right in doing # 1.
If you just put the copper bushing on top of it then nothing is there to prevent it from pushing up and popping out of the seat.

 

[jrichker]

The hard part is to get the old pin out. Some were spot welded in, others were hammered so that the end mushroomed. Either way, it takes a grinder or cutter bit in a drill or Dremel tool to cut the pin or grind off the weld. Once it is off, tap the pin out with a hammer. Only remove one pin at a time so that you don't have the full weight of the door to manage. I highly recommend that you have a helper standing by to hold the door.

Once the old pin is out, lower the door and tap out the old bushings. Put the new bushings in and have the helper lift the door in place so that you can slide the new pin in. It may have to go in differently from the way it came out. That's OK, as long as you put the cotter pin in the hinge pin.

OOOPS!!!The important thing to remember is that the hinge pin isn't supposed to move once you are finished. If it does, then you will end up like me - the pin moved, it wore the door hinge instead of the replaceable bushings. Now in order to fix it right, I have to remove the whole thing again and drill out the hinge to the same size as the bushing and use 2 sets of bushings in each hinge rather than one set.

The fix for the OOOPS was very time consuming and if you aren't up to some very interesting machine work, do it right so you won't have to do it again. I fixed the OOOPS but I had $43 worth of drill bit and specialized reamer plus pulling the fender off to fix it.

 

[Mikie]

Great advice from above.

You have to have someone helping you hold the door. Me and my Dad had an ooops of sort also. I was trying to get the old pin out and I was the holder of the door. He was tapping at the old pin with a hammer and a short punch. There was our mistake. We needed a longer punch to keep the hammer away from the door. My Dad stood outside and tried a downward swing/ tap motion and was doing well....until the hammer missed and he tapped the outter fender with it. My heart nearly stopped as it chipped a nickel sized paint chip off!!!!!
At that point we started arguing, cussing and pointing fingers with my Dad saying...look here, you wanted my help. Then I quickly demoted him to door holder and I finished it up.

Now I have to get the whole fender re sprayed to fix a small ooops.

Take your time, have help and swing / tap carefully around your paint.

ps...the hammer is not the only thing that can do damage. If the guy holding the door is not strong enough, or watching what he is doing he could bump the door into the fender and do paint damage that way.
In hind sight it might had been easier to just remove the fender to begin with.

 

[bruno]

I'm pretty sure I put mine in wrong. Is this the correct way to put them in? (pic attached)

My hinges were bent from the weight of the door sag. I'll have to go back in and hammer them straight this weekend. Ugh... I had to wail on the pins to get them out!

and so the love/hate relationship with this car continues...

 

[bruno]

 

[BadMoFo]

glad I came upon this, planning on doing ds door this week.

 

[oldwantabe]

http://www.mustangmonthly.com/howto/5894/index.html
I found this great article about replacing door hinges.I had bought 2 pair and now I am going to buy 2 more and replace mine. I hope this helps.

 

[jrichker]

I'm pretty sure I put mine in wrong. Is this the correct way to put them in? (pic attached)

My hinges were bent from the weight of the door sag. I'll have to go back in and hammer them straight this weekend. Ugh... I had to wail on the pins to get them out!

and so the love/hate relationship with this car continues...

Your drawing shows the correct method.