95 Running Warm

jonjonjonjon

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I have a 1995 3.8L that sometimes runs a little warm (can get 3/4 of the way to hot on the factory temp guage, though I'm not saying that that gauge is 100% accurate).

During the Winter I do not seem to have the problem, but once it gets warmer the temperature will start going up when sitting at idle, after the car has run for some time. If the car is moving over ~30 mph, there isn't a problem. And upon cold start up there is not a problem (when letting the car idle for 10-15 minutes).

Two years ago I had the fan relay (I believe that was the part) replaced per a Ford recall, and I'm not sure if that's the issue. Today I drove the car for ~35 min and then let it idle for ~10 min. I did not see the fan turn on at all, even when the temp started to increase slightly. I'm not sure how warm it needs to be for the fan to turn on, but to me it seems like the fan is not working. How can you tell if this is a fan related issue?


Here are a few more observations:
-When the car is warm and at idle, right before the temp starts to increase the rpms drop a bit (50-100 rpms) and the battery voltage drops too (1-3 volts). The rpm/voltage drop only happens for a few seconds, then it returns to regular idle rpms and voltage, but temp starts to increase little by little.

-I do have a small coolant leak somewhere. I think my reservoir bottle has a small crack in it. When I fill it, it drops to about 1/3 full after a few months (2-3). My radiator has always been full when I removed the cap (when the car is cold). I'm pretty sure it's not the radiator leaking, the upper or lower radiator hose, or the water pump, but I'm not 100% sure. When I spot coolant under the car, it is usually minimal and seems like it's falling from the front of the car (radiator/reservoir area).


To me, it seems like the fan is trying to kick on when warm (hence the rpm and voltage drop), but something is wrong and it won't turn on. However, maybe I'm completely wrong.


And I don't know if it matters, but the car is the base base model 3.8L V6. It has factory A/C delete.


Thank you in advance for the help
 
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the fan should come on low speed at 221*F and shut off at 200*F.

the fan should come on high speed whenever the A/C compressor is on and you're speed is less than 43mph.

have you checked for 12v at the fan when you believe it should be on??
 
I don't have A/C, so I'm not sure if that affects anything. I have not tried checking for 12V at the fan, I don't really know how to troubleshoot this issue. What would checking for 12V at the fan entail? Disconnecting the electric connection and putting a multimeter on it?

BTW, do you know where the electric relay for the fan is?

Thanks
 
the relay is in the CCRM by the coolant reservoir.

to test for power to fan. connect multimeter to fan motor connector (R/O wire and BK). check for 12v when fan should be on. if you have power and ground then fan is bad. if you don't then you need to check that circuit.
 
I took off the connector on the fan unit. I had 7.7V pretty much constant, and then it kicked up to 14.8V when the fan was supposed to be on. When it was at 14.8V I reconnected it to the fan and the fan turned on, so the fan works. When I examined it the other day, the fan never turned on. Maybe there was dirt in the connection or something.

My reservoir bottle has a leak in it and is almost empty most of the time, could this be the source of the car running warm? Also, does the 14.8V when the fan is running seem too high? Also, thanks for your help!
 
sounds like it was a dirty connector for the fan.

you need to repair the overflow tank as soon as possible. when the engine heats up and builds pressure the excess pressure is released through the radiator cap (dumping coolant and pressure). when the engine cools down a vacuum is created in the cooling system and draws the coolant back out of the recovery tank. if the tank is leaking then the coolant won't go back into the radiator like is should. that could cause low coolant level and cause overheating and could also cause the fan not to turn on.

cars normally run between 13.5 and 14.5 volts with engine on. 14.8 i wouldn't worry about although the voltage regulator may be starting to go out.