Which turbocharger

[Neo_PS2]

What are your guys thoughts on the current available turbo kits.
I am planning on keeping my block stock until I can afford to rebuild it.
With that in mind, which kit do you guys think is best?
Turbonetics
Hellion
HP Performance
Powerhouse
or
TurboHorsepower

 

[Stangninjak]

I have been doing a lot of research as well on this.

My list is down to the
1.Turbonectics kit
2.Helion kit.

The turbonectics kit allows for you to still run a xpipe in your exhaust system because of where the pipe returns to the dual system. I run side exhaust, so I want a system that works well with it.

The Helion kit has a lot of experience behind it. The guy who develop the kit races using turbo's, and it a proven kit. At the s197 shootout, the second place car, at 9.99 ran this kit at 22lbs of boost.

Now while I am not trying to do that, I would like to be about 450 HP or so. Also both of those kits look really nice under hood. The only thing about the turbonectics kit is that you have to move your fluid res....

the others I am looking into, But I know one of them run over your ac lines which is a no go..Hot pipes over the main AC ? Yeah your ac will work great then....

 

[Hoboattacker]

Turbo Horsepower. It is the cheapest kit out there and it works great. I have a close friend that has it on his car (his car was the first one to have a mail order kit and was the guinea pig for that sort of thing) and it works great. You can upgrade it A LOT with different IC's, Turbo's, Injectors, Polishing, Fuel Pumps, BOV's, Wastegates, and a few other things.

When I was looking at going S/C or Turbo, THP was on the TOP of my list and I would have gone with them if I didn't go S/C. When I build my motor, I still may end up going to turbo (a while down the road) and if I do, I'll go with THP.

 

[Neo_PS2]

I am sort of leaning towards the turbo horsepower kit. I have heard people were having problems with tuning the turbonetics kit because of bends in the pipe in relation to the MAF. I am also concerned about hitting the pipes. I lowered my car about 2" with BMR springs, and sometimes bottom out as it is. Are there any known clearance issues with these kits. The reason I am leaning towards the turbohorsepower kit is because it is about a 1000 cheaper, and i figure i can use that extra money towards a rotating assembly.

 

[Hoboattacker]

IIRC, Hellion pipes their dp below the K-Member. THP routes their DP over the k-member.

 

[Towelly]

Turbonetics is a nightmare unless you have a REALLY good tuner that has tuned the kit before... Hellion is a good kit except for the Down pipe positioning. Almost everyone I know that has had the Hellion kit has loved it. The THP kit is probably the best because the amount of options and the DP postion above the stock K-member. THP also offers a blow through setup that is proven and needs no modifications to work properly, blow through in my opinion is the best way to go. Especially if you plan on throwing a lot of boost at a forged bottom end in the future.

 

[ROUSH STANG II]

Turbonetics is a nightmare unless you have a REALLY good tuner that has tuned the kit before... Hellion is a good kit except for the Down pipe positioning. Almost everyone I know that has had the Hellion kit has loved it. The THP kit is probably the best because the amount of options and the DP postion above the stock K-member. THP also offers a blow through setup that is proven and needs no modifications to work properly, blow through in my opinion is the best way to go. Especially if you plan on throwing a lot of boost at a forged bottom end in the future.

+1. Although I do like my Turbonetics kit, and I have absolutely no clearance issues. I had some issues with the blow through setup, and ended up going back to the draw through design like the Hellion. It is a very complete kit when using the stock spring, and I only paid $4450.00 new in the box on ebay for it. I'm using a JDM Engineering tune and all I can say is they know their stuff! Using the draw through design makes it alot easier to tune too, and you don't need to use a MAFia like some of the other systems. Hope this helps, John.

 

[Hoboattacker]

Turbonetics is a nightmare unless you have a REALLY good tuner that has tuned the kit before... Hellion is a good kit except for the Down pipe positioning. Almost everyone I know that has had the Hellion kit has loved it. The THP kit is probably the best because the amount of options and the DP postion above the stock K-member. THP also offers a blow through setup that is proven and needs no modifications to work properly, blow through in my opinion is the best way to go. Especially if you plan on throwing a lot of boost at a forged bottom end in the future.

couldn't have said it any better myself.

 

[Neo_PS2]

Can anyone explain to me the difference between blow through and draw through, and considerations when tuning each. Advantages, disadvantages. I think I am going to go with THPs kit, but first I have to get back from Iraq. Looking forward to taking my extra cash and spoiling my pony.

 

[ROUSH STANG II]

Can anyone explain to me the difference between blow through and draw through, and considerations when tuning each. Advantages, disadvantages. I think I am going to go with THPs kit, but first I have to get back from Iraq. Looking forward to taking my extra cash and spoiling my pony.

Someone else could probably explain it better than me, but it's mainly in relation to where the MAF is located. A draw through design has the MAF located near the air filter, before the turbo/intercooler, drawing the air across the sensor. It also has to recirculate the air from the blow off valve, back into the intake tract because that air is already metered. A blow through design positions the MAF after the turbo/intercooler closer to the throttle body, and you can vent the bov to the atmosphere because the air from it isn't metered yet. The problem I ran into with the blow through design was the pipe before the MAF needs to be free of bends to reduce turbulent air flowing across the MAF giving it inaccurate readings. There have been people who have relocated the MAF from the stock location on the Turbonetics kit and were able to tune them that way, I didn't get that in depth with it, but you can see where the blow through design would give you more accurate readings because it is "sampling" the air just before it enters the throttle body. Hope this helps, John.

 

[Stangninjak]

I was talking to THP yesterday..for people who have it, what about the relocate of the Oil filter ? Also I think he said the power steering needed relocate...

They also said the 6lb kit did not need a intercooler..but that does not sound correct. I would use one regardless. Anyone who use the THP can answer these questions for me ? The price is truly a 1000 times better. Also thanks for the heads up on the turbonectics kit.

 

[ROUSH STANG II]

The price really isn't that much better for the thp kit. The Turbonetics kit comes with the intercooler and piping, and also larger 60# injectors,and injector harness, that you wouldn't have to upgrade later when you turn up the boost, and it comes with a turbo blanket and heat wrap too. I only paid $450.00 bucks more for the Turbonetics kit, so that should actually put them costing less than the thp kit with comparable items.

 

[Stangninjak]

The price really isn't that much better for the thp kit. The Turbonetics kit comes with the intercooler and piping, and also larger 60# injectors,and injector harness, that you wouldn't have to upgrade later when you turn up the boost, and it comes with a turbo blanket and heat wrap too. I only paid $450.00 bucks more for the Turbonetics kit, so that should actually put them costing less than the thp kit with comparable items.

Say I have a good tuner...is the turbonectic kit harder to install ? Does it not run correctly ? Or is the THP kit with intercooler ect....easier to deal with ?

 

[ROUSH STANG II]

I would think they would be comparable to each other installation wise unless the thp kit has some parts that need to be "tweeked". The Turbonetics kit fit like a glove without having to tweek anything. but...it is a tight fit everywhere. The Turbonetics kit has a very detailed installation manual with pictures and such. If you would like, pm me and I can email you a copy of the installation manual. I have it saved on my computer, but I can't upload it here because the file is too big.

 

[Neo_PS2]

Any information on the HP Performance kit, that seems to be a blow through design as well. That is the only reason Im having a hard time deciding, if Turbonetics would be a blow through design, I would buy from them in a heartbeat.

Turbonetics
+ ball bearing, nice intercooler, good company
- draw through design, clearance?

Turbo Horsepower
+3" downpipe, No clearance issues
- intercooler?
? Ball bearing

HP Performance
? Ball Bearing, Clearance

Does anyone know if the HP has any clearance issues, keep in mind my car is lowered 1.75 in front.

 

[ROUSH STANG II]

Here's a pic of where to move the MAF to make the blow through design tunable.

 

[Neo_PS2]

Does anyone know if the Turbonetics kits are different for an 06 and an 07 mustang, and why. Seems to me the 05-06 are the draw through design, and the 07-08s are blow through design. Is this correct, and is there any reason why you couldnt put the 07-08 on a 05-06.

 

[ROUSH STANG II]

To the best of my knowledge, the only difference between the year models is the radiator piping. The location is different on the newer models, and the upper radiator hose/pipe in the new kit comes with the different pipe for that. AS far as blow through vs draw through...when the kit first came out it was a draw through design, due to some issues with the Turbonetics tune with this design, it was later changed to a blow through design. There were no issues with the draw through design with a good tuner tough(thats how mine is now the JDM tune). I bought one of the first kits sold and it was a draw through. I wanted to try the blow through and contacted Turbonetics and they sent me the revised parts for the blow through setup at no charge. One of the perks to the Turbonetics kit is that if you have any problems within the first year of purchase, they will warranty the entire kit with no questions asked...even under racing conditions! my local tuner isn't very good and they couldn't tune the blow through design. I would be running the blow through design now, but when I had the opportunity to have JDM tune my car I was set up for draw through. It runs so good with their tune I just have never seen the need to make the switch and try anything different.

 

[Neo_PS2]

So they had no issues with the draw through? I was under the impression that those are really hard to tune. It is between them and HP right now for me HP quoted me a price of 5350 for a stage 2 ball bearing. Im sure I can get it a little less though, Im going to delete the tuner and the injectors, im going to have it tuned locally.

 

[retfr8flyr]

Good luck with HP. You should check them out closer, try here Hp Performance Sued! , http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=110818.0 . I would go with THP they have a better kit and Jim Napier is great to work with. Jim will configure the kit any way you would like.

Earl