What would happen if there was no more Ford?
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I belive they stated on the radio the other day that it is more like $78 an hour. which is why even a small compact car cost so much to buy. but there other benefits that they all strike for if they don't believe is enough is what is killing them because it drives up the cost,, and people can't afford to buy them right now. If the government steps in to bail them out I think that they should be made to drop employee pay 25%. because that will in turn save them more money and if you can't make it on $4o to$50 an hour.
On another note I work in the rv industry. we are off work right now on a shut down, found out we are closing a plant, so are a couple of other companies, that's alot of jobs, is the government going to come bail us out. It's the gas prices that hurt us through our biggest part of the year. I doubt the gov. will step in here, but the bail outs could be never ending and how will that be helping our economy.
On another note I work in the rv industry. we are off work right now on a shut down, found out we are closing a plant, so are a couple of other companies, that's alot of jobs, is the government going to come bail us out. It's the gas prices that hurt us through our biggest part of the year. I doubt the gov. will step in here, but the bail outs could be never ending and how will that be helping our economy.
Wolvrin704
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First of all the salary numbers being thrwon out there are including workers benefits. The Big 3 line workers actually make somewhere in the range of $26-30 an hour. How many people go around saying how much they make an hour including their benefits? Yet the media has taken to including that for their reports on the evil Big 3.
I don't think bankcruptcy is really an option either. It would be good for them to reorganize but if they do so their sales would plummet because people wouldn't be buying cars from a company in bankruptcy. How could they garauntee the warranty?
As for the economic impact. All anyone wants to think about is how it affects the Big 3 and their suppliers. What about suppliers of raw materials? What about trucking companies? What about companies that supply stuff like food for vending machines, uniforms, etc to the Big 3 and the suppliers? Their collapse would have a very far reaching affect.
Not to mention where would we get OEM parts? For the Stang not too many worries but my F150 seems to have allot of OEM only parts. Sure parts stores could start selling them but who's going to make the parts? The small amount of OEM parts sold would not be enough to keep any supplier companies in business. Working for a Tier 1 supplier myself we do make service parts and the volume on those can usually be made in a day or 2 per month.
I don't think bankcruptcy is really an option either. It would be good for them to reorganize but if they do so their sales would plummet because people wouldn't be buying cars from a company in bankruptcy. How could they garauntee the warranty?
As for the economic impact. All anyone wants to think about is how it affects the Big 3 and their suppliers. What about suppliers of raw materials? What about trucking companies? What about companies that supply stuff like food for vending machines, uniforms, etc to the Big 3 and the suppliers? Their collapse would have a very far reaching affect.
Not to mention where would we get OEM parts? For the Stang not too many worries but my F150 seems to have allot of OEM only parts. Sure parts stores could start selling them but who's going to make the parts? The small amount of OEM parts sold would not be enough to keep any supplier companies in business. Working for a Tier 1 supplier myself we do make service parts and the volume on those can usually be made in a day or 2 per month.
I agree that the big 3 are American legends. I dont think handing them a huge check is the right answer, but who knows what the right answer is? I think they should make them restructure their opterations and present how they are going to change. If the government likes what they see, loan them the money.
I think they are in trouble because so many people dont even think twice about buying foreign cars. Just like the Air Force doesn't think twice about buying French tankers - but thats another can of worms...
For me, I will always have American cars.. Just my .02
I think they are in trouble because so many people dont even think twice about buying foreign cars. Just like the Air Force doesn't think twice about buying French tankers - but thats another can of worms...
For me, I will always have American cars.. Just my .02
'13_ImpactBlue_GT
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Hints that Chinese Automakers may acquire GM and Chrysler
Chinese May Buy GM and Chrysler | The Truth About Cars
But it does not say anything about them buying Ford. As for me I would hate to see Ford totally disappear but something will have to be done.................... a 25 billion "loan" just means printing more money that we dont have, just like the 700+ billion (more like a trillion) dollar loan passed by Congress and the Prez. against our screams and cries of NO
Chinese May Buy GM and Chrysler | The Truth About Cars
But it does not say anything about them buying Ford. As for me I would hate to see Ford totally disappear but something will have to be done.................... a 25 billion "loan" just means printing more money that we dont have, just like the 700+ billion (more like a trillion) dollar loan passed by Congress and the Prez. against our screams and cries of NO
their prolly goin under because no one wants their junk anymore. i wash cars all day especially new top on the line vehicles and they are being made like straight doo doo. i dont know why anyone would want a car that seems like it was put together with shoestring and bubble gum. i got an 03 stanky and its ok but when you compare it to foregin automakers (besides hyundi or w/e) they dont! IF ford really wated to make a mark in my heart for american automakers they would bring over the Ford Falcon XR that is produces in Australia check it out and tell me what you think. i dont know why they will sell such cars over seas but not give us any of the goods.theyve got a 4.0l turbo v6 in the mid-line version of these cars, why not in our v6 stangs. are they scared. it makes me sick.
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'13_ImpactBlue_GT
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Mustang92
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It's obvious why you clean cars for a living. Ford is not in trouble because they make bad vehicles they are in trouble because Trucks and SUVs where their bread and butter and when the fuel costs went through the roof and people stopped buying. All automakers are down in profits across the board even the big import companies. Ford was 3/4 of the way through a restructuring when this really hit the fan. Chrysler and GM were just getting to that point when things went down thus why Chrysler and GM are the worst off of the three and Ford although not in great shape at least was in the process of moving their lines to more fuel efficeint vehicles.
Also there is nothing wrong with Ford build quality. Maybe you got stuck with a pile of crap but fact is Ford build quality has only been improving year after year while other companies have been going down hill.
Bill
ha your F***in insane^^^ take a car made in like 86 and compare it with this new plastic **** they make now. yeah it might not have a cool radio or flashing lights but it was put together a helluva lot better and that goes for trucks, cars, motorcycles w/e i know what i know and yall dont kno **** so **** yall and **** this fourm im outty, yall always think yall know it all so ill take my time elsewhere with kooler people
62thunderbird
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Hey guys I was thinking and I was wondering of even saying this, if it would at all possible to start a Ford fund where all the money that is given to the fund will go to Ford to help keep them alive. and I have a great idea. we should make a commercial for Ford about how cool their product is and how it is truely better than its competitors. Make the commercial from the stand point of the consumer and show their car or truck in the ad or show how fun Ford cars and trucks really are. and I do not want in any means of any of the three compainies to tank.
crzyhrse99
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Sorry didnt read it all, but the F-150 is the best selling vehicle ever produced (and I seen this on that queer that does the top gear show that's always bagging on american cars), so I think Ford will withstand.
crzyhrse99
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And that's how you earn infractions, ladies and gentlemen.
Enjoy whichever forum you pick. When they ban you for the same BS I just spared you a banning for, don't return here.
that's the best line I have heard lately. Made my night.... He'll pop his little head in here again...Thanks Matt, we have been reading his nonsense for a while.
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AdRock
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Ok, so yes, when the media talks about the average wage of a GM worker being $78 an hour that does include benefits. And you say they actually make $26-$30. So, you're telling me that on average they get the equivalent of bsically $50 an hour in benefits? What kind of benefits cost a company $50 per hour worked, per employee? That's insane.
What they need to do is put the companies in Chapter 11 and have them completely restructure. This would get them out of all pension contracts, union contracts, other debts they have. The biggest sticking point is the unions and the pensions. There are more people getting full pay in retirement from GM than there are people working at the plant. If you figure in all pay and benefits the average pay of a GM worker is $78 an hour. You gotta be ****ing kidding me. If the unions and the pensions are kept intact the way they are now the big 3 are ****ed no matter what.
Am I the only one who found it REALLY funny that he considerd the quality of cars built in the 80's of all era's to be better built than they are now?
...and Matt...you are certainly more patient than I would have been.
...and Matt...you are certainly more patient than I would have been.
AGREED.
My biggest concern with this is all the job loses and opportunity. However I don't give any of the big 3 any of my sympathy. While other companies were spending their time adapting to what's going on, and *creating* the automotive progress, they were still hauling out huge gas guzzling, unsafe (for others on the road) monsters marketed for people who don't need them. Trucks are very necessary for many folk, but this whole mess was bound to catch up with them IMO.
I think Ford has been making some very strong products lately and they were always my favourite of the Big 3. However, the reason Ford, GM, and even Chrysler have finally started pumping out stronger cars is because they finally started copying what the Import Automakers have been building. However, I'd assume the average consumer would think, "why buy the impersonator when I can get the original"?
This whole thing sucks, and I'd hate to see any of them go, there are some GREAT American cars out there, and most Japanese cars don't have the same non-tangible qualities some of the better American cars do.
However, to bail them out, only for them to stay afloat for a few more years before their impending death finally catches up is not the way to go IMO.
Someone told me that all 3 Companies have been fighting Washington against all the new environmental/gas related laws we've been seeing for the last 20 years. That is another major reason why they are in this mess and why the way they've been run (unfortunately their legacy's have to in turn pay for this as well) has forced them to pretty much deserve the mess they're in.
Unfortunately there are many workers, along with our Economy who/that may suffer for this, and herein lies our problem.
BTW, Winters, you got the Z06!!!!
Congrats man, 2003 is a C5 right, how do you like it????
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