BJ1000RR
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Hey Big Show 96, Come to New Orleans & race a few LS1's, and I will be your witness.
P.M. me for details.
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I agree, I had a bolt on 00 M6 Vette and would hit the traps at 109-110 in the mid 12's with stock gears pulling around a 1.8/1.9 second 60 foot mark on stock size/brand tires. I also had a 94 Formula LT1 M6 with a intake and exhaust and could smash on bolt on SN95's.
I could stay nose to nose with a stock Terminator on the street in the Vette. I never, not one time ever had a Fox or a SN try me in the Vette. I actually stayed on the rear bumper of a stock GT500 after about 50/60mph but the 500 pulled to that point from a dig on me. GTO's are not drag cars though, Vette's are not either. The weight of the GTO kills it and the suspension geometry of the Vette is setup for turns more than lateral acceleration.
02nightmaregt
To hell with your Mustang, I want to see your HOG!
THANK YOU!!!! Im glad someone finally realized what i was talking about. I have been a witness several times to a 98-02 trans am/camaro have a cam and exhaust and outrun terminators. Especially when you put a set of heads, decent cam, and full exhaust on a LS1, they are deadly. A friend of mine has a 01 Trans Am Ram Air with heads, cam, full exhaust 150 shot, and a LS6 intake. He can toy with my friends Terminator that has a ported blower, full exhaust, 18PSI boost, ported heads, built bottom end, ect...In my opinion that is saying alot.
85 Coupe 5.0
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I would have to agree that you are running into a group of crappy drivers, and M6 ls1's in stock form are almot always about .5 slower than their Auto equipped counterparts.
You're one hell of a driver and it can be done. I've seen many a 6spd LS1 Fbody run 14's at our track, all because there was no driver mod.
However I have yet to see an Auto equipped car run slower than 14 flat at our crappy altitude.
Congrats on being a good driver, it can be done.
I would love to see some video of this.
02nightmaregt
To hell with your Mustang, I want to see your HOG!
I'll also agree, when all my car had was weld in flow masters, a TB and intake i went to an 1/8th mile track and ended up racing an SS camaro with Full exhaust, short throw, lid, and tune and I was murdering him up until like the last 100-200 ft. Even though i lost i still felt good knowing he couldn't even handle his own car.:fairyfight:
m6 cars with 400hp are hard to control. Eitherway, that is nice. With the mods you mentioned and 4.10's, my buddy ran 11.87 in his 2000 SS camaro. With street tires, he could only run 12.50's.
I raced my friends ls1 with SLP intake, borla catback, Pacesetter LT headers, UDPs and a couple other things and from 40-80ish he had 2 cars and I hadn't stopped the pull.
what9612
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2000 mustang gt:had 4.10 gears, off road h pipe, and flowmaster catback.(auto)
2002 z28(LS1): bone stock(auto)
no matter how many times we ran, from any speed, roll, stop the camaro flew right by me.
he got dynod after installing headers and exhaust......he made 330rwhp 320 tq
2002 z28(LS1): bone stock(auto)
no matter how many times we ran, from any speed, roll, stop the camaro flew right by me.
he got dynod after installing headers and exhaust......he made 330rwhp 320 tq
It's nice to see some reality being injected into this thread as of late. I've resisted posting several times, because it was just complete nonsense.
No 2V GT is going to outrun an LS1 ANYTHING in bolt-on form. I don't care if it's M6or auto.
The auto/M6 LS1 F-bodies are rocketships, and their GTO counterparts are heavy but also extremely stout.
People who beat LS1s in their mildly modified GTs are facing terrible drivers, simply put. You can't possibly scientifically analyze a situation where a bolt-on GT beats an LS1 and not pin the causation on either LS1 Driver Error, or some other external variable (LS1 driver's engine exploded, he was racing on the grass shoulder, he was racing in Low Earth Orbit.)
These are low 13 second cars with the right driver, STOCK. 300rwhp STOCK. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I'm not as well versed with the LS1 GTOs, but I know this. Stock M6 GTOs in LS1 form run low 13's STOCK. Traction, a few cheap mods, and some track time = high 12's. The automatic GTOs are just as quick as the M6 cars, just like the F-bodies were.
My 4.10 geared 250rwhp '98 GT could holeshot the living ish out of my brother's stock 300rwhp '99 Z28 M6. I had him all the way through 1st gear (3.37 1st gear and 4.10s tend to do that, when you're not sliding sideways from lack of traction.) Once he rowed through 2nd and 3rd, it was over. There is no "lead to be held" against an LS1. Given open blacktop and functioning motor skills, an LS1 driver will mow down a GT, simply because they've got enough power to compensate for their relatively soft launching abilities.
Don't throw factoids my way like "Bolt-on GTs run 12s" and "Blah Blah this and that." I'm aware of what a bolt-on GT can do, at the track, with stickies and some gearing (and a great driver.) But comparing apples to apples, in a street contest, with all the variables, on street meats? My money goes on the LS1.
Unless you've got numbers, any street war story is anecdotal.
No 2V GT is going to outrun an LS1 ANYTHING in bolt-on form. I don't care if it's M6or auto.
The auto/M6 LS1 F-bodies are rocketships, and their GTO counterparts are heavy but also extremely stout.
People who beat LS1s in their mildly modified GTs are facing terrible drivers, simply put. You can't possibly scientifically analyze a situation where a bolt-on GT beats an LS1 and not pin the causation on either LS1 Driver Error, or some other external variable (LS1 driver's engine exploded, he was racing on the grass shoulder, he was racing in Low Earth Orbit.)
These are low 13 second cars with the right driver, STOCK. 300rwhp STOCK. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I'm not as well versed with the LS1 GTOs, but I know this. Stock M6 GTOs in LS1 form run low 13's STOCK. Traction, a few cheap mods, and some track time = high 12's. The automatic GTOs are just as quick as the M6 cars, just like the F-bodies were.
My 4.10 geared 250rwhp '98 GT could holeshot the living ish out of my brother's stock 300rwhp '99 Z28 M6. I had him all the way through 1st gear (3.37 1st gear and 4.10s tend to do that, when you're not sliding sideways from lack of traction.) Once he rowed through 2nd and 3rd, it was over. There is no "lead to be held" against an LS1. Given open blacktop and functioning motor skills, an LS1 driver will mow down a GT, simply because they've got enough power to compensate for their relatively soft launching abilities.
Don't throw factoids my way like "Bolt-on GTs run 12s" and "Blah Blah this and that." I'm aware of what a bolt-on GT can do, at the track, with stickies and some gearing (and a great driver.) But comparing apples to apples, in a street contest, with all the variables, on street meats? My money goes on the LS1.
Unless you've got numbers, any street war story is anecdotal.
what9612
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but thats, what im sayin
ill give some of u guys this..when we did go from a dig i was right there .......... for a second lol. so mayb some of these races r from 0- 17mph???
Big Show 96
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So what everyone is saying that a 2000 LS-1 camaro with a K&N filter & a weld in flowmaster runs low 13's!!!. I raced the same Z-28 2 more times with a different driver recently once from a 20 to 125 role & won by a half of car. Then went from a 50 to 125 & won by 3/4's of a car. I removed my CAI & flows since the first race posted above. Don't think it was a drivers issue. Boy that LS-1's belt sure does squeal loud when it's getting the hell shifted out of it trying to outrun my slow mustang. Both races where ran off of him taking first gas! 2 more for the stang!!!
to the mighty LS-1
yes. A few have gone 12's bone stock. They usually pick up 10-15hp with just a filter and lid. Most trap 105-110mph stock, so your car must be a freak to pull on one.
Big Show 96
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I beat one LS-1 camaro & one GTO with my 96. The camaro run's 13.50's & the GTO runs 13.40's. It's not like I posted that I out ran ten of them with my 96. As far as my past foxes that's another story. I'm not anti Chevy & I know that most of them are very fast out the box. I'm just proud to out run two. As far as being a freak,naaahh but with the 01 engine, it's a pretty sweet street car.
BurningRubber
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Ok, here are my LS1 stories.
A buddy of mine has a stock 99 A4 SS. Clipped 12.9 stock on street tires. Havn't raced him.
Another buddy of mine has a 98 A4 and it was stock save for a Magnaflow muffler when we raced.
We ran 40-whatever four times. It was two for two.
If he got the jump, I couldn't pass him but he would not put any distance on me UNTILL over 80mph then he would creep at best.
If I got the jump I would pop out infront of him and it would stay that way untill 80mph on up and then he would start to pass me slowly.
We never ran over 90-100 or so but as soon as I would have been done with 4th it would have REALLY been over for me.
We ran from a dig once and he killed me. I could not hook at all, and he did just fine.
His car isn't down on power by any means, his 1/8th times are good for a high 12 pass on the 1/4.
I just drive the piss out of my car and knew where to run him where his car was at its weakest point from a roll race standpoint.
A buddy of mine has a stock 99 A4 SS. Clipped 12.9 stock on street tires. Havn't raced him.
Another buddy of mine has a 98 A4 and it was stock save for a Magnaflow muffler when we raced.
We ran 40-whatever four times. It was two for two.
If he got the jump, I couldn't pass him but he would not put any distance on me UNTILL over 80mph then he would creep at best.
If I got the jump I would pop out infront of him and it would stay that way untill 80mph on up and then he would start to pass me slowly.
We never ran over 90-100 or so but as soon as I would have been done with 4th it would have REALLY been over for me.
We ran from a dig once and he killed me. I could not hook at all, and he did just fine.
His car isn't down on power by any means, his 1/8th times are good for a high 12 pass on the 1/4.
I just drive the piss out of my car and knew where to run him where his car was at its weakest point from a roll race standpoint.
248a
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The LS1 is my all time favorite engine, ever... BUT, it's entirely possible for a sn95 with bolt-ons, a decent ring gear and a PI long block to pull a couple average Ls-1 drivers. It's the same thing with a modded 99+ v6 versus a stock sn95 v8, it's possible.
Amongst us (the entirety of stangnet) is maybe a few professional racers, a bunch of weekend warriors, and the rest just have a quick car that we surprise ourselves with every once in a while. For the sake of the argument, let's try and keep it real.
Amongst us (the entirety of stangnet) is maybe a few professional racers, a bunch of weekend warriors, and the rest just have a quick car that we surprise ourselves with every once in a while. For the sake of the argument, let's try and keep it real.
He's got it !
Edited for brevity, but if the car is an A4, 30 - 40 is a "dead zone" without a stall - ask me how I know.
Up to about 59 (A4) same issue - 60 - 71 or so has a mean kickdown. Under 30 is pretty badazz, too.
So, you just gotta catch 'em at the right points and know your car.
I miss my stall - perhaps here soon I'll go back w/ another 2800.
Have fun !
Britt
Edited for brevity, but if the car is an A4, 30 - 40 is a "dead zone" without a stall - ask me how I know.
Up to about 59 (A4) same issue - 60 - 71 or so has a mean kickdown. Under 30 is pretty badazz, too.
So, you just gotta catch 'em at the right points and know your car.
I miss my stall - perhaps here soon I'll go back w/ another 2800.
Have fun !
Britt
Yeah, maybe the TFS heads/cams and a few bolt-ons will be enough to stomp the ls1, at least thats what I think, don't know any official numbers yet though!