Why doesn't ford come out with a Boss mustang?

[klaw]

Ford has done fine with the Mustang continuously since 1965 - Camaros come and go. GM's marketing and product positioning hasn't been stellar - look at the trouble they're in. They screwed around for years after Ford had the S197 retro body style out trying to come up with an updated Camaro. They're now managing to launch it in the middle of the mother of all recessions. How many aftermarket parts suppliers are going to jump into new lines for the Camaro in this economy? My point is that if you want just about any HP level from the factory you can get it (from V6 to GT to Roushcharged GT to Whipple GT to HO Whipple GT to GT500 to GT500 KR) with warranty in most cases. If you're willing to forego warranty, you can build any street power level you want up to 1000HP+ with relatively inexpensive readily available parts.

 

[red05bullitgt]

Once again, I fully understand where your coming from, however as I said before. If Ford allows the competition to outperform the Mustang by 100+ horsepower, Ford will end up losing it's customers over to the competition, as a direct result. Therefore Ford just cannot afford to take such a risk, in which I'm quite certain they are fully aware of.

With that said, this isn't just some opinion, but is also fact as well !

 

[red05bullitgt]

During the past 6 years, Ford didn't have a reason for improving upon it's powertrains, for there has been no competition to compete against.

However that just isn't the case anymore, as Ford now has competition with cars such as the Nissan 370-Z, Dodge's Challenger, and now the 2010 LS-3 Camaro rated at 422HP.


With that said, Ford can no longer just sit back and not step up to the plate. Otherwise the Mustang is going to get blown away by the competition, which will then result in Ford losing it's customers in the process.

And although the Mustang has always been outperformed by the competition in the past, Mustang has never been outperformed by more than 100+HP in it's entire history.


Therefore, Ford cannot allow such an embarrassment to take place !

 

[02GTRX]

the gt was never meant to compete with the ss. thats what the cobra is for. you might as well compare it to a vette. its JUST a gt

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Not a Boss, but how about a revisited Cobra Jet?

The FR500CJ (PN M-FR500-CJ) race car is FRPP's latest factory built racer and is set to debut at the 2008 SEMA show just weeks away from now. The FR500CJ will be similar to the offerings already in the Ford Racing catalog like the FR500C and FR500S, in as much as that they will be built to compete in a specific race series. The FR500CJ is bound for NHRA Stock Eliminator class racing and is powered by a detuned 5.4 four-valve supercharged modular (400hp limit).

Vehicle Content:
400 hp (est.) 5.4L DOHC supercharged engine
6-speed manual transmission standard; optional automatic TBD
NHRA legal to 10.00 sec ETs
NHRA Stock Eliminator legal interior
Lightweight - 3,300 lbs (est.)
Unique trim and appearance package
Drag race wheel/tire combination
Cobra Jet graphics package

 

[Stryfe8822]

Here is the thing the base mustang GT starts at $24000 and the camaro SS starts at $31000. That is a $7000 dollar difference. Ford has always sold the mustang as a inexpensive mucsle car, Thats it! Nothing more. Than if you wanted more power you looked at the cobra or now the GT500. The camaro has always had more power than the mustang by 60 or more. If you look at the last generation mustang and camaro the mustang made what 265hp while the camaro made a listed 305hp, reality was more like 350hp. And thats how it was and thats how its going to be. Ford just redesigned this motor for the mustang you really think ford is going to redesign a whole new motor for 2011? They would lose money. Ford Has always kept a motor in a mustang for about 8 to 10 years before they put a new motor in the GT.

 

[Stryfe8822]

I remember 8 years ago when I was looking at a new car it was between a camaro and a mustang. I went to the chevrolet dealership they wouldn't even negoitate on the price but ford.

 

[02GTRX]

STRYFE8822- thats all fine and dandy but remember your forgetting one very important thing..chevy sucks!

 

[faspony]

I'd like to see the new Boss 302 OHV engine offered in the GT.
They could offer both persent crate engines....390 hp/ 360 tq and a 450 hp/ 400 tq

 

[red05bullitgt]

the gt was never meant to compete with the ss. thats what the cobra is for. you might as well compare it to a vette. its JUST a gt

And do you really think people are going to pay 54K for a GT500, just to compete with the SS. When the SS can be purchased for under 32K MSRP. I think not.


Besides in today's muscle car wars, the GT500 competes with the Vette, and not the SS.


Therefore, the GT will indeed be competing with the SS, and Challenger R/T !

 

[NastyStang113]

By the time the 5.0L comes out if and when, GM will have a new motor on the block too.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Besides in today's muscle car wars, the GT500 competes with the Vette, and not the SS.

Now....let me ask you. Do you think that's because the GT500 got so much better, or because the Camaro got so much worse?

Back in the day, it was Cobra vs SS....now it seems as you say the Cobra is forced to skip right over the Camaro altogether and compete with their flagship Corvette.

 

[Stryfe8822]

No it doesn't I think the GT makes 13.8 in the 1/4 and the challenger R/T makes a 13.3 in the 1/4. That is only a half a second difference that is it. So for $7000 more I get a half a second wow! If I took $7000 and put it into my GT my car would easily be in the low 12s maybe high 11s, easy.

 

[red05bullitgt]

Here is the thing the base mustang GT starts at $24000 and the camaro SS starts at $31000. That is a $7000 dollar difference. Ford has always sold the mustang as a inexpensive mucsle car, Thats it! Nothing more. Than if you wanted more power you looked at the cobra or now the GT500. The camaro has always had more power than the mustang by 60 or more. If you look at the last generation mustang and camaro the mustang made what 265hp while the camaro made a listed 305hp, reality was more like 350hp. And thats how it was and thats how its going to be. Ford just redesigned this motor for the mustang you really think ford is going to redesign a whole new motor for 2011? They would lose money. Ford Has always kept a motor in a mustang for about 8 to 10 years before they put a new motor in the GT.

The only problem, is that now our Mustangs are going to be blown away by the Camaro SS by over 100+ HP. Which is a very huge difference compared to just 60 or less power from years past. Although $7000 seems like a huge amount of money over buying a new GT, it's sure a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a GT500 for $54,000. And if you really think about, that additional $7000 is also getting you 100 extra HP along with a 6 speed trans, and IRS.


Therefore Ford has no other choice, but to step up to the plate. Otherwise they take a huge risk in losing sales to the competition, as a direct result.


As for Ford redesigning the current 4.6 3V, Do you really think they would've added just 15 additional HP, if they didn't intend on designing a new engine for 2011 ?

The bottom line, is the current 4.6 engine is now 13 years old, and has been in production since 1996 and is now considered as outdated.


With that said, Ford needs to design new engines which are more fuel efficient, and high tech in order to remain competitive !

 

[NastyStang113]

No it doesn't I think the GT makes 13.8 in the 1/4 and the challenger R/T makes a 13.3 in the 1/4. That is only a half a second difference that is it. So for $7000 more I get a half a second wow! If I took $7000 and put it into my GT my car would easily be in the low 12s maybe high 11s, easy.

My car ran a 13.3 sec in the 1/4 mile with 1,500 miles on it ... I've never seen a Challenger do better than 13.5, either. My car is running 12.80s with tune, intake, mufflers, o/r x pipe, UDPs, and CMCVs.

 

[red05bullitgt]

By the time the 5.0L comes out if and when, GM will have a new motor on the block too.

All the more reason, why Ford has to remain competitive !

 

[NastyStang113]

Ford has remained really competitive with the truck segment, too.

Ford rarely cares about being the mfg with the most hp ... I think people miss this too often.

 

[red05bullitgt]

Now....let me ask you. Do you think that's because the GT500 got so much better, or because the Camaro got so much worse?

Back in the day, it was Cobra vs SS....now it seems as you say the Cobra is forced to skip right over the Camaro altogether and compete with their flagship Corvette.

No question, the GT500 is definitely by far much better and technically advanced than it's predecessor. For at last, us Ford enthusiasts finally have a Mustang that actually competes head to head with the Corvette.


However as much as I really hate to admit it, the Camaro SS has dramatically improved as well. And for just under 32K MSRP, you just cant go wrong as you get a 422HP LS-3 right out of the box along with a 6 speed trans and Independent Rear Suspension, in which the Mustang is desperately in need of.


Therefore if Ford doesn't step up to the plate, I'm really afraid they're going risk losing customers over to the competition, as a direct result.

 

[autumn_again]

fords big sales are with the v6 mustang. if it wasn't for the 6 banger. we would of been right next to camaro firebird trans am etc on the shelf.

good price, good looks. great driveability.

ford knows their money maker. will people buy a boss stang? yes, but it wont outsell the v6.

for performance areas, fords down compared to the challengers

rear end is still a solid rear end, where now the big thing is IRS.
trannys are 6 speed, only the top model you can get a 6 speed in a stang.
motors are small cube motors with decent horsepower. where as the bowties and mopars are doing it with bigger cube motor and more power.


personally, i like the solid rear axle, i am more into straight line racing, not corner carving. and i'm not buying my car for a nice ride. although it does have a good ride quality.
6 speed, would be nice, but i can do without. also depending on how its geared. if it was normal gearing and then a low 6 added on for gas mileage, that would be great.
i'm all for bigger cube motors, and more horsepower. but with the huge aftermarket for these cars, as long as your okay with modifying a brand new car, you can get them to put out big numbers. and usually if your looking at going balls to the wall fast, your not going to care too much about the warranty.

we weigh less then the challenger, and the camaro. so that offsets the horsepower a little bit. even though we're still pretty big compared to like foxes and such.

we are cheaper then the camaro, and also the challenger. and have come with better options. just now the challenger is getting a manual tranny, and the first year out didn't have a LSD option. i can't imagine owning a car without one, especially a performance one.

i guarentee you there will be a million camaros that are auto. looking around now for an LS1 camaro, trans am, firebird etc. you'll find a million autos, 3 6 speeds. if your looking to buy used and want a stick, you have a much better chance of finding a stick stang.

the mustang is an iconic car. while i agree the camaro is too, but everyone likes the stang for the most part. all ages, sizes, sexes. i don't know many girls that find camaros attractive. or could even identify a first gen camaro. but the iconic mustang its very easy to identify.

i wish ford would release another car to go along with the stang for performance. if not the same greenhouse just different bumpers and etc. a cougar would go perfect.



i also don't see chevy coming out with a new engine anytime soon, the LS series is working great for them. which has been in the cars since, 98 i think? and vettes before then if i remember right.


i don't really agree with the gt500 being the vettes competition. i see the ford gt, even though they dont make it, being the vettes competition. i don't like the gt being compared to a v6 camaro. gt should be compared to the SS, and gt500 should be compared to the z28 that should of been coming out also but i think they hexed it.

 

[red05bullitgt]

Ford has remained really competitive with the truck segment, too.

Ford rarely cares about being the mfg with the most hp ... I think people miss this too often.

I understand where your coming from, and I do agree. However were no longer talking about being outperformed by just 35-45 horsepower like in years past. Now we have deal with possibly being blown out of the water by 100+ HP.


Therefore do you really think Ford is going to just sit back and risk losing it's customers over to the competition, by doing nothing as a direct result. I really don't think Ford would be willing to take such a risk !