Why doesn't ford come out with a Boss mustang?

[red05bullitgt]

fords big sales are with the v6 mustang. if it wasn't for the 6 banger. we would of been right next to camaro firebird trans am etc on the shelf.

good price, good looks. great driveability.

ford knows their money maker. will people buy a boss stang? yes, but it wont outsell the v6.

for performance areas, fords down compared to the challengers

rear end is still a solid rear end, where now the big thing is IRS.
trannys are 6 speed, only the top model you can get a 6 speed in a stang.
motors are small cube motors with decent horsepower. where as the bowties and mopars are doing it with bigger cube motor and more power.


personally, i like the solid rear axle, i am more into straight line racing, not corner carving. and i'm not buying my car for a nice ride. although it does have a good ride quality.
6 speed, would be nice, but i can do without. also depending on how its geared. if it was normal gearing and then a low 6 added on for gas mileage, that would be great.
i'm all for bigger cube motors, and more horsepower. but with the huge aftermarket for these cars, as long as your okay with modifying a brand new car, you can get them to put out big numbers. and usually if your looking at going balls to the wall fast, your not going to care too much about the warranty.

we weigh less then the challenger, and the camaro. so that offsets the horsepower a little bit. even though we're still pretty big compared to like foxes and such.

we are cheaper then the camaro, and also the challenger. and have come with better options. just now the challenger is getting a manual tranny, and the first year out didn't have a LSD option. i can't imagine owning a car without one, especially a performance one.

i guarentee you there will be a million camaros that are auto. looking around now for an LS1 camaro, trans am, firebird etc. you'll find a million autos, 3 6 speeds. if your looking to buy used and want a stick, you have a much better chance of finding a stick stang.

the mustang is an iconic car. while i agree the camaro is too, but everyone likes the stang for the most part. all ages, sizes, sexes. i don't know many girls that find camaros attractive. or could even identify a first gen camaro. but the iconic mustang its very easy to identify.

i wish ford would release another car to go along with the stang for performance. if not the same greenhouse just different bumpers and etc. a cougar would go perfect.



i also don't see chevy coming out with a new engine anytime soon, the LS series is working great for them. which has been in the cars since, 98 i think? and vettes before then if i remember right.


i don't really agree with the gt500 being the vettes competition. i see the ford gt, even though they dont make it, being the vettes competition. i don't like the gt being compared to a v6 camaro. gt should be compared to the SS, and gt500 should be compared to the z28 that should of been coming out also but i think they hexed it.

Being as the Ford GT, is no longer in production. The GT500KR and Super Snake are Ford's only alternative to the Corvette. As for a new Camaro Z/28, I personally don't think it will see the light of day IMO.


As for new GM engines ? they're supposedly working on a new small block called Gen V. Whether it makes it into production, also remains to be seen as well.


As for myself personally, I don't care if the Camaro has 100 more HP over the Mustang or not.

The bottom line, is I've been a loyal/die hard Mustang and Ford enthusiast all my life, in which that will never change

 

[NastyStang113]

I hope the Mustang never goes to IRS ... Some people are too naive to realize that the technology in today's live axles are not what went into a 1960s production car by any means. Griggs Racing can pull 1.3Gs out of their car. I'm fine with that !!

 

[red05bullitgt]

I hope the Mustang never goes to IRS ... Some people are too naive to realize that the technology in today's live axles are not what went into a 1960s production car by any means. Griggs Racing can pull 1.3Gs out of their car. I'm fine with that !!

I wouldn't mind if they offer an IRS, as an option. But I also want the Solid Rear Axle to remain as the standard rear suspension. For I'm personally quite satisfied with Ford's SRA 3 link suspension as is.

 

[Stryfe8822]

I noticed you keep changing the hp rating on the camaro and mustang. Like I said originally the camaro has always made 60 or more horsepower. More being the key word. Also I said that the camaro was listed as 305 by the factory but reality was it was making around 350 what is that like a 95hp difference. Plus Ford did try introducing the IRS in the mustang back with the 2003 2004 cobra but people hated it and where insterting a solid rear axle. So ford didn't put a IRS in any of the mustangs. Because people who bought the mustang where more interested in drag racing than cornering. Also I keep noticing that you say therefore. How about this "therefore nothing" like I said a long time ago this is just your theory and you have yet to show in hard evidence about a 5.0 mustang coming out in 2011.

 

[faspony]

Why is it that the chevy OHV engines out perform the Ford modular engines?
Is it because they are not and OHC engine or because they are OHV engines?

This is why I'm for an OHV engine, like the BOSS 302 with 450 hp in the GT.
Of course this would hurt the sells of the Cobra 500 because you could make this little 302 put out more hp that the DOHC engines.

When I win the lottery I'm going to install a BOSS 302 into my 06 GT...LOL

I think the modular engines suck, I'm just old school.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Why is it that the chevy OHV engines out perform the Ford modular engines?
Is it because they are not and OHC engine or because they are OHV engines?

This is why I'm for an OHV engine, like the BOSS 302 with 450 hp in the GT.
Of course this would hurt the sells of the Cobra 500 because you could make this little 302 put out more hp that the DOHC engines.

When I win the lottery I'm going to install a BOSS 302 into my 06 GT...LOL

I think the modular engines suck, I'm just old school.

Ummmm....how about that they've got huge cubic inch advantage?!?! Its not a design flaw of the engine itself, it’s an issue with it’s actual displacement capabilities. Remember, the 4.6L was originally designed for a FWD car. As such, Ford chose to make it compact and increase displacement with stroke, rather than bore. But you can only take that so far.

As it sits, the OHC engines are putting OHV engines with similar displacement ranges on the trailer. The OHC design is the more efficient of the two. Fewer moving parts, more accurate valve timing, less friction in the drive train, cleaner emissions, better fuel economy. The advantages speak for themselves.

If the new Modular engines address the displacement request, you're gonna see a lot of sad bowtie guys, I guarantee it!

 

[red05bullitgt]

I noticed you keep changing the hp rating on the camaro and mustang. Like I said originally the camaro has always made 60 or more horsepower. More being the key word. Also I said that the camaro was listed as 305 by the factory but reality was it was making around 350 what is that like a 95hp difference. Plus Ford did try introducing the IRS in the mustang back with the 2003 2004 cobra but people hated it and where insterting a solid rear axle. So ford didn't put a IRS in any of the mustangs. Because people who bought the mustang where more interested in drag racing than cornering. Also I keep noticing that you say therefore. How about this "therefore nothing" like I said a long time ago this is just your theory and you have yet to show in hard evidence about a 5.0 mustang coming out in 2011.

Oh really ? Well why don't you show me exactly where I've changed the HP rating. FYI I've stated all along that the 2010 Camaro SS, is rated at 422 HP. Which is exactly 107 more HP than the 2010 Mustang which is rated at 315HP.


Apparently once again, you've completely misinterpreted my post. In which I was clearly responding to what YOU originally brought up concerning how the Camaro has always made 60 or more horsepower in the past at 305-350HP. So I was doing nothing more than addressing exactly that. While at the same time acknowleding that the 2010 SS, is going to be making even more HP at 100+ over the 2010 Mustang.

However on the other hand, the 302 Fox 5.0 was also underrated by the factory at 225 HP, and was in reality making 260HP. In which IMO, the Camaro was actually making 45 HP more over the Fox Mustang, and NOT 60 more, as you had stated. In other words, I didn't agree with your 95HP theory.


So just what in the hell gives you the right, to accuse me of changing HP ratings or anything else for that matter. As I've stated the same 100+ HP difference for the 2010 SS over the 2010 Mustang GT. from the very beginning of this thread.

And FYI, I'm also fully aware of the fact, that Ford used the control blade IRS in the 2003-2004 Cobra...Which btw: the reason why Ford discontinued the Control Blade IRS, was due to being too expensive, and not because people hated it.


And let's also get something else straight, I've been a loyal/die hard Mustang and Ford enthusiast for well over 35 years. So if you think you can attempt to discredit me, by twisting and spinning everything around that I've posted. You've got another thing coming.. TROLL.


The bottom line is this, your reasons for attempting to discredit my posts, is because you have absolutely no evidence nor proof to back up your baseless accusations to prove otherwise.

Then you resort to spinning and then twisting my words around, as your excuse for attempting to discredit my posts. So just who in the hell do you think your trying to bull****


With that said, I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, nor to anybody else for that matter, and if you cannot accept the fact about the 5.0L (Coyote) arriving for 2011MY...That is your damn problem, for I could personally care less as to what you choose or not choose to believe

 

[NastyStang113]

With that said, I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, nor to anybody else for that matter, and if you cannot accept the fact about the 5.0L (Coyote) arriving for 2011MY...That is your damn problem, for I could personally care less as to what you choose or not choose to believe

Are you sure?

 

[red05bullitgt]

Are you sure?

If he's going to be such a Dick about it, then yes I am sure

 

['13_ImpactBlue_GT]

Ummmm....how about that they've got huge cubic inch advantage?!?! Its not a design flaw of the engine itself, it’s an issue with it’s actual displacement capabilities. Remember, the 4.6L was originally designed for a FWD car. As such, Ford chose to make it compact and increase displacement with stroke, rather than bore. But you can only take that so far.

As it sits, the OHC engines are putting OHV engines with similar displacement ranges on the trailer. The OHC design is the more efficient of the two. Fewer moving parts, more accurate valve timing, less friction in the drive train, cleaner emissions, better fuel economy. The advantages speak for themselves.

If the new Modular engines address the displacement request, you're gonna see a lot of sad bowtie guys, I guarantee it!

The 4.6 was originally designed for a FWD car?

 

[AvalancheSVT]

F that, the boss is supposed to be light and nimble.

i want an all aluminum 5 liter V8 with quad cams and a six speed.

 

[Stryfe8822]

wow so many thing to address I guess I will start from the top

First in the third post in this page you quoted me earlier when I said 60 or more horsepower than you said 60 or less horse power thats the first one.
Second I had a 5.0 and it made a 190hp at the wheels stock do don't sit there and type otherwise.
Third when it comes to the IRS I could not officially find anything as to why ford got rid of the IRS. When I asked about at the dealership they said it was because nobody liked it because it caused wheel hop at the drag strip but if you wanted to road race the IRS was perfect.
Lastly when it comes to twisting your words around all I did was go back and reread what you typed thats it, maybe you should do the same.
All I have done since you stated that the GT mustang was going to have a 5.0 was ask for proof thats it. And your reponse and i quote is "I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, nor to anybody else for that matter..." That tells me you have no proof or else you would have revealed it. I searched for information about the 5.0 in the mustang everything has turned up is just rumors. Like I said earlier in this post I will believe it when I see it.

 

[red05bullitgt]

Well it's one thing to disagree with somebody, in which I don't have a problem with. But it's another thing when somebody resorts to attempting to discredit another member's posts out of spite of that disagreement.

So I'm going to defend what I mentioned in my posts for the last time. When I responded to your quote about 60 or more horsepower, yes I did address that by stating 60 or less, because IMO the Camaro made no more than 45 horsepower over the 1992 Fox Mustang which was underrated at 225 HP. The reason why I know this, is I had 3 Fox Mustangs, in which my last one was a 1993 SVT. Cobra that was factory rated at only 235HP. Which once again was also underrated. So don't even try claim otherwise, because there is no way in hell, that a fuel injected 302 with GT40 heads, GT40 intake, 73MM MAF with roller tappet cam, is only capable of making 235 at the crank.


For that is complete B.S. In fact during the 10 years I owned the Cobra, all I added were FRPP shorty headers. Flowmaster cat back exhaust, and cold air intake. And the car made 270 RWHP on the dyno. Oops my mistake, it made 270 at the crank, and 235 at the rear wheels. So you explain to me as to how my Cobra made 35 additional HP with just 3 simple bolt on's back then, and this was also without using a computer chip as well.


Heck not even our S-197 Mustangs are capable of making close to 40 additional HP without reflashing the PCM.


As for your 5.0 making only 190 RWHP ? No offense, but that is extremely low so I suspect that something was definitely off, such as a calibration issue or whether or not SAE correction was being used.


As for what I posted earlier in this thread, I know exactly what I said word for word, and I'll continue to stand by exactly that. In which I've stated time and time again, that Ford has not officially confirmed or made an official announcement about the 5.0 (Coyote) at this time, and I also explained the reasons why.

So perhaps, you ought to go back, and read over my previous posts once again.

Therefore, I cannot provide you with proof from Ford, in which I do not have at this point, however there are clearly spy photo's of the 5.0 (Coyote) being tested which were taken by the very same people who took the spy photo's of the 2010 Mustang.

In the meantime, until we get official confirmation from Ford. These spy photos are the only source of actual proof we have to rely on for right now.

So if you wish to consider the article and spy photo's as some bogus tabloid rumor, that is by your choice, but what doesn't make sense, is do you really think that the hood just happened to be open, and some photographer just happen to swoop right in, out of nowhere and suddenly grabbed a picture?

A lot of spy photographers can even be as far as tipped off to be told to be at a certain place/time to get a glimpse of something driving by or what have you.


Or did somebody do a photoshop of some mythical engine, and somehow managed to make it appear as though it were sitting inside the engine bay of an S-197 Mustang ? I highly dispute that, for I really doubt that anyone would go through that kind of trouble, let alone having the talent and expertise to do so.

 

[klaw]

When it's official, it's official - until then it's rumours.

No amount of repeating the same old BS here is going to speed any announcement up.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

The 4.6 was originally designed for a FWD car?

Yup. As a result of this, the made the block shallow, with close bore spacing to make it more compact. Remember the Lincoln Continental? 4.6L, DOHC 4V in a front wheel drive platform. The only car I'd ever drive with more torque steer was an early Taurus SHO.

 

[NastyStang113]

When it's official, it's official - until then it's rumours.

No amount of repeating the same old BS here is going to speed any announcement up.

... isn't this the truth !? I don't know why it's a hard concept to grasp.

 

[Stryfe8822]

You know I have to agree with everyone else we are just beating a dead horse. The whole reason I started this thread was to talk about how cool it would be to have a n/a 5.4 mustang and call it the boss mustang not to argue about the whole existance of a SUPPOSED 5.0 motor that is coming out in 2011 for the GT. If ford comes out with it fine good for ford I still rather have a 5.4 n/a motor or whatever is avaible at the time.

But next time red you say you have facts back it up because there will always be someone to call you out!

 

[AvalancheSVT]

You know I have to agree with everyone else we are just beating a dead horse. The whole reason I started this thread was to talk about how cool it would be to have a n/a 5.4 mustang and call it the boss mustang not to argue about the whole existance of a SUPPOSED 5.0 motor that is coming out in 2011 for the GT. If ford comes out with it fine good for ford I still rather have a 5.4 n/a motor or whatever is avaible at the time.

But next time red you say you have facts back it up because there will always be someone to call you out!

i'd rather have the 5.0 making more power and being significantly lighter than the heavy and not so great 5.4... but thats just me.

 

[metroplex]

An inside source said Ford did consider a S197 Boss but cancelled it a few years ago. I'm not sure if there's another Boss coming out.

 

[red05bullitgt]

You know I have to agree with everyone else we are just beating a dead horse. The whole reason I started this thread was to talk about how cool it would be to have a n/a 5.4 mustang and call it the boss mustang not to argue about the whole existance of a SUPPOSED 5.0 motor that is coming out in 2011 for the GT. If ford comes out with it fine good for ford I still rather have a 5.4 n/a motor or whatever is avaible at the time.

But next time red you say you have facts back it up because there will always be someone to call you out!

You know, your such a pompous a$$. As once again, you totally misinterpreted what I stated in my previous posts. For I clearly stated WORD FOR WORD

With that said, perhaps you should bear that in mind, before you attempt to discredit one of your fellow website members, along with having the evidence to back it up !

So just where in the hell did I mention anything about having the facts from Ford, when I clearly stated time and time again.

As for the reason behind Ford not officially confirming the 5.0 400HP (Coyote) 4V, at this time. Most people also have the common sense to recognize, that Ford will not make any official announcements, until after the 2010 Mustang goes into production this upcoming spring. Otherwise if they make an announcement too early. Ford would then risk losing sales on their 2010 models.

So again, which portion of my posts did I mention having any facts from Ford ?

As for the Ford insider whom I previously mentioned. No, I do NOT know him personally, however I've been very familiar with his reputation for well over a year, and therefore as a direct result. Consider his info as reliable.

Also FYI, for those who have known me during the past 3.5 years. Know full well that I do NOT post info on this website, until after conducting extensive research, and have determined that such research, is both accurate and reliable.

The bottom line is this, your reasons for attempting to discredit my posts, is because you have absolutely no evidence nor proof to back up your baseless accusations to prove otherwise.

With that said, you still have not provided a single shred of evidence to prove against the 5.0L (Coyote) 4-valve, as not replacing the current 4.6L 3-valve for 2011MY.

And until you do, I'll continue to stand by the info, in which the Ford insider whom I previous mentioned, has stated for over the past year in my research.


As for being called out..Well FYI, when the 5.0L (Coyote) 4 valve does indeed arrive. In the end... It's going to be you, who gets called out. Make no mistake about it !