SVT Eaton M112/Tork Tech custom prototype manifold on a 2V (TONS OF PICS)
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Screamin'04
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I get your point... I was just pointing out that it was significantly less than the cheapest KB...
Eric meant 2 valve but probably typo'd V2, either that or he removed 6 of my cylinders when I wasn't looking; which would make the results AMAZING!
CobraRed_96_GT
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Anyone find 406/461 at 12psi "exceptional"? My friend's running 14psi for 411rwhp...on his 03 cobra...
The horsepower is actually probably a little on the low side for 12psi (could be attributed to anything from a worn blower, to a tired engine, to the state of tune), but the torque is pretty exceptional, yes. In your buddies case, he's probably about 30-50hp shy of what most '03-'04 Cobra owners are seeing, pullied for 14psi. I take it he's got no intake or exhaust mods to go with the additional blower speed?
Gotcha....in that case, a thread title change has been made for clarification.
joshheat25
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Nice job! You might see alot more people going with the "heaton" setup. Just because it's ALOT Cheaper. Awesome power numbers.. now we need some track Times!
CobraRed_96_GT
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you've got to remember that 03/04 compression is 8.5:1 vs 01-04 Gt's 9.4:1. That shows for more power on same boost levels, But 12lb is about max on a stock Gt engine.
It makes sense then. All that additional boost is just stacking up on the intake side. This is where simple bolt on's like a high flow inlet and/or high flow mid-pipe and cat back would really shine. I betcha even without the bolt ons, his torque is still plentiful, though. Pullied Positive Displacement blower cars with restrictive inlets and outlets tend to put out a pile of torque, regardless of the minimized flow potential. They tend to presurize the intake in a hurry.
Yeah, to a point I would agree. A lot of horsepower on the top end of the tach is going to depend on the flow characteristics of the heads and intake as well. The 4V heads being what they are, is probably why the 4V is still making more power, with less compression and fewer bolt ons.
Screamin'04
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Thanks Brian...Gotcha....in that case, a thread title change has been made for clarification.
One tiny thing though, this is not the Tork Tech Kit. It uses a heavily modified (20hrs worth) Tork Tech prototype manifold for the Magnuson blower and some pieces from what they now call their "kit", but it's not their kit.
To set that record straight, I approached Tork Tech with this idea and spent what seem like hours convincing Ron that based on the number of take-off 03/04 cobra parts available, creating a manifold for such a thing would be a wise thing to do. I spent months collaborating with him once a week or so. He spent most of his time quoting impressive dyno numbers and trying to convince me not to go with the Eaton and pushing the Magnuson blower combination that they already had done which was not what I was looking for. To my knowledge, while they have their "kit" in the product section of their site, it is not available as they still don't have their proprietary intercoolers finished (which is likely the reason why nobody has done an Eaton M112 on a 2 valve prior to me); although that may have changed now. The kit only exists because Ron took my idea and made it theirs. I set everything in motion, convinced him to re-engineer to accommodate the Eaton M112 and then was told that they would not go to production with the manifold because of the tooling costs, and that I would have to wait for them to sell out of their existing Magnuson manifolds before they produced the Eaton compatible units. That was when I asked him to just send me the prototype of the Magnuson and I would re-engineer it myself.
The parameters of this project were to do a cost effective Cobra take-off blower on a stock bottom ended 2 valve GT. While Ron is focusing on built 2 valves with numbers like 500+ rwhp and 500+ rwtq, that is not the focus behind my intent, nor was it my focus when he decided to incorporate my idea into their product line as their supercharge-less kit. This project was for the guys that want affordable horsepower for their stock 2 valve engines. As an added benefit, once you decide to forge the bottom and beef everything up, you can then use any supercharger on the market designed for the 03/04 cobra. While I most certainly appreciate all of Ron's help on this, he was not interested in this route before I approached him, never quite got the point and still keeps pushing the notion that the Magnuson blower is more efficient (which it is).
But that was not and is not the point.
CobraRed_96_GT
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jivepepper
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Cool looking set up and decent numbers can wait to see what it traps at the track.
Did you clean the intake of all the oil residue? When I changed my heads my ports looked like that and the piston tops had a nice coating also. Then I eliminated the pcv set up and when I changed the intake this last time the ports where spotless.
Did you clean the intake of all the oil residue? When I changed my heads my ports looked like that and the piston tops had a nice coating also. Then I eliminated the pcv set up and when I changed the intake this last time the ports where spotless.
Screamin'04
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No, we just slapped that joker in place. We were looking to get it done before this past Saturday so kinda under the gun. I'll be pulling it back down in about 6 months or so to forge the bottom end and put some ported/polished heads with blower cams on it. I'll go through everything with a fine comb then cause I'll be looking for everything I can get power wise. I'll probably switch to a ported Eaton then too (until I save enough for the Whipple 3.4)...
I had to sign up for this. I think this is the coolest thing I've seen in a while. Everyone dogs the eaton, but the later ability to upgrade is right there. Its just like the cobras, when the eaton falls off buy a whipple. I hope you convince them to go through with it at tork tech, as this would be a great upgrade for someone not wanting to go balls out or pay for a kenne bell.
The funny thing most don't realize, is that the 4th Gen Eatons on the Cobra’s are already just about right on par with a similarly sized Kenne Bell compressor. The reason the latest KB's have the performance advantage at all tends to be based more around the difference in displacement between the blowers themselves (2.1L KB vs. 1.85L Eaton) than their actual difference in efficiency.
As it sits, the 5th Generation Magnuson MP112 is already going horsepower for horsepower and even a couple of ticks ahead of the larger 2.1L KB by comparison.
And the move to a 1.9L TVS1900 will put a 2.1L to shame all the way across the board. As a matter of fact, the TVS1900 is capable of producing power levels on a 2V/4V modular engine that approach that of the much larger 2.4-2.6L Twin Screw compressors.....and there’s still the TVS2300 to contend with. Now that’s progress!!!
This ain't the same old strait cut "Heaton" or even 2nd or 3rd Gen hybrid of yester-year that everyone likes to bag on. Twin Screw distributors like Kenne Bell and Whipple wants you to remain ignorant of this fact more than anyone.
How else could they so grossly over inflate the prices of their blowers if the people found out they weren't king of the hill anymore?
Screamin'04
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The important thing to remember here is that this is not the Tork Tech (TT) manifold, this manifold began life as a TT prototype manifold designed for a Magnuson MP112. With right at 20 hours of re-engineering, we have designed it to fit the Eaton M112. This is a new design which Tork Tech has nothing to do with. Our design uses as many Cobra take-off parts as possible including the factory 2 pass cooler which the TT kit does not, it uses a core which the buyer must fabricate into a finished cooler.
I will be moving forward with my manifold design. I Already have that ball in motion... No need for convincing anyone but me, and I've seen the need since day one.
CobraRed_96_GT
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+1 across the board. Edlebrock is using the new TVS 1900 internals and is making 400rwhp at 5psi on 3v's! Also, stock heads and cams 18psi on a 3V yielded 558rwhp on a different kit.The funny thing most don't realize, is that the 4th Gen Eatons on the Cobra’s are already just about right on par with a similarly sized Kenne Bell compressor. The reason the latest KB's have the performance advantage at all tends to be based more around the difference in displacement between the blowers themselves (2.1L KB vs. 1.85L Eaton) than their actual difference in efficiency.
As it sits, the 5th Generation Magnuson MP112 is already going horsepower for horsepower and even a couple of ticks ahead of the larger 2.1L KB by comparison.
And the move to a 1.9L TVS1900 will put a 2.1L to shame all the way across the board. As a matter of fact, the TVS1900 is capable of producing power levels on a 2V/4V modular engine that approach that of the much larger 2.4-2.6L Twin Screw compressors.....and there’s still the TVS2300 to contend with. Now that’s progress!!!
This ain't the same old strait cut "Heaton" or even 2nd or 3rd Gen hybrid of yester-year that everyone likes to bag on. Twin Screw distributors like Kenne Bell and Whipple wants you to remain ignorant of this fact more than anyone.
How else could they so grossly over inflate the prices of their blowers if the people found out they weren't king of the hill anymore?
Im interested in your views on the TTI intercooler "chunk." Insufficient? Way to replace it with a better one?
Screamin'04
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I can't really comment on much on their MP112 kit, because the only thing I have to go off of is what I originally purchased from TTI.
To my knowledge, this (pictured below) is what they refer to with their "Intercooler Core" as advertised for the supercharger-less kits on their site... This chunk of finned aluminum (core) with no end tanks leaves final fabrication to the buyer which in this case is or can be very expensive (even cost prohibitive to the project). Also, this is all that you can use as it's all that fits into the basket. I was half asleep last night when I called it a single pass core, which was a mistake, because like any core, it can be made however you wish with the right tank design.
My point though is this, to use their supercharge-less kit, you’ve got to do something for the end tanks and then do something for the mounting bracketry, you’re then married to that TTI core (or similar core) if anything ever goes bad. Who knows where they will be 2 years from now (especially with the economy). This is the reason I decided to redesign for the Cobra IC (also below). I wanted everything to be replaceable with commonly available parts, and nothing proprietary or nothing that would possibly have to be fabricated or re-fabricated down the road. This will keep the resale value of the manifold better because it's not dependant on whether or not you can get an IC core to work with it, and the end result (manifold / intercooler design) is standardized instead of each pair potentially being a custom design.
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