What is the next possible GT engine?

[32ValveRom]

I'm sure this topic has been discussed, but we've all heard rumors that Ford will be using a new, more powerful engine in the GT to compete with other cars including the Camaro. My question is what do you think Ford is gonna use.

I think it's obviously going to be NA, and it's not going to be a 4.6 liter anymore. I doubt they're gonna bring the pushrod back out but I think they might bring the 5.0 back out with either 3 valves or 4 valves. What do y'all think?

 

[CobraRed_96_GT]

You haven't heard?
Return of the 5.0: Ford Exec confirms 400 hp 'Coyote' V8 coming in 2010

 

[32ValveRom]

Actually, I did here about this. I just didn't know it was confirmed. I guess my other question is, what other possibilites could Ford have done?

 

[Dragstr05]

Actually, I did here about this. I just didn't know it was confirmed. I guess my other question is, what other possibilites could Ford have done?

IMO, thats all we are going to get, GT wise. One, you have to remember: the top dog mustang will always be the SVT (or "shelby" if you will...its still SVT in my book) model. There is no reason for ford to get crazy...thats why they have that model.

Two, it seems what Ford likes to do is aim 50 - 100 hp under the GM competition and thats what we get Is it fact? No, but lets face it GT owners get screwed. Truth of the matter is, even if they left the 4.6 3v in there for another 4 years, just squeezing another 5 - 10 hp out of it every couple years and make cosmetic changes, the public will still buy in. It's a popular car. Ford does not NEED to give us the 5.4 4v N/A most of us hope for. Maybe in a special edition, but not a GT.

I will admit though, the 5.0 (big bore 4.6 I believe), IS a good step in the right direction.

 

[Green&GoldGT]

Great, looks like another expensive engine to mod, I bet cams are going to cost a grand just like the 4v's now. I bet they are making it a higher compression to get 400hp. I think it would be best to give ford fans a forged rotating assembly and boost friendly CR, or else ford is going to be seeing taillights again.

 

[1992 2.3LX]

Actually, I did here about this. I just didn't know it was confirmed. I guess my other question is, what other possibilites could Ford have done?

It has not been confirmed. People seem to skip over a word in there.

The new 32-valve, 5.0-liter V8 is EXPECTED to be fitted to the Mustang and F-150 sometime in 2010, replacing the current 4.6- and 5.4-liter mills.

 

[32ValveRom]

So, I guess no one wants to guess. Come on guys what do you think Ford is gonna most likely do?

 

[SaleenGT2001]

i still want the 6.1 they were talking about

 

[tag4car]

i still want the 6.1 they were talking about

thought i heard 6.2

IMO, thats all we are going to get, GT wise. One, you have to remember: the top dog mustang will always be the SVT (or "shelby" if you will...its still SVT in my book) model. There is no reason for ford to get crazy...thats why they have that model.


I will admit though, the 5.0 (big bore 4.6 I believe), IS a good step in the right direction.

True, SVT is FoMoCo's absolute pinnacle of performance. To me, Shelby is not worthy of any affiliation with the SVT badge. It's all about the hype of a name taped on the car. Hell, i have Roush's name signed across my dashboard, Doesn't my value jump at least 15k??

 

[40oz]

I'd guess the 400 hp Coyote will show up mid-2010 or so in a Bullitt/Mach 1 model. I highly doubt it will be in the base GT. But Ford is due to upgrade the GT engine soon, based on their past. IMHO 2011 seems like a dumb year to remember, so I'd expect a "new" Mustang GT in 2012. 2011 *is* the 55th aniversary, so I'd expect the engine for the 2012 car to appear in 2011 in the current chassis. But that's waaay over-thinking things and guessing blindly.

I would rather they put some effort into a lighter Mustang. ~3200 pounds would be perfect, IMHO. Shaving that much weight off the current car would be the same as giving the engine a big bump in power on top of making the car stop and turn better than it does now. I just want it shorter in length, not as tall, and more aerodynamic, which would improve every performance test. Surely it's got to be cheaper and easier to make a stiff short car than a stiff long car. Just give me a 8/ or 9/10's scale model of the current car, and I'd probably be very happy

I don't really see a downside to a smaller car. You can keep adding safety weight and stiffening weight and making bigger and bigger engines, or refine what you have. Make existing manufacturing stronger and safer through new materials or subtle design changes. Obviously anyone and their tuner brother can get more power out of the engines, but what they can't do is change the basic car. That's Ford's job, IMHO.

 

[LucasMelo]

Soon enought we'll see an 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 in there.......
Not too bad though, it makes 355 bhp and 350 lb-ft torque!
Imagine what can be done with bigger turbos and a Tune...

 

[streethorse]

Obama wants 35 mpg by the year 2016. I could see the GT going 4V
with a smaller V8 or even a 4V V6. Then they would save the big power
for a new Cobra or Shelby.

 

[2000GTdriver]

Ecoboost twin turbo V-6, puts out 365hp in the new Taurus SHO. Expect a turbo V-6 to replace most V-8 engines for better fuel economy, and tubo 4 cylinder engines where you used to get an N/A V-6.

 

[hobbes80]

The thing about the Mustang, is even though folks like us mod them, is the original principle of the mustang was to be a 4 seater, 2 door, family coupe. Part of what helped the mustang survive was the v6 and the lower insurance cost because of the backseat and being less powerful than the camaros and TA of the world.

While I would like to see some high-powered GTs from the factory floor, I think having them be specialty cars, so that Ford continues to survive by folks who buy the v6 or low-end for the good styling, as opposed to the minority of folks who are looking to buy a super-car from the factory floor.

a 5.4L 4V would be awesome, but I see that as a specialty run... like a boss or mach remake... not as a regular run GT... and I see that done to help ford meet government standards and keep the hype up about the car, while still pushing out a decent, low-end car that your average person can afford to drive and modify as they see fit.

 

[98bluevert]

Obama wants 35 mpg by the year 2016. I could see the GT going 4V
with a smaller V8 or even a 4V V6. Then they would save the big power
for a new Cobra or Shelby.

OK here's my thoughts on that, i am not sure if every vehicle is suppose to be atleast 35 mpg but last i checked an f-250 will never get that.

Correct me if i am wrong but wasnt it back in the 80's when they had to be at 25 mpg average for the company so to offset the trucks and V8 cars that got less Ford, Chevy, and Dodge mass produced 4-banger rangers, s-10's and smaller cars to reach that goal as an overall.

This is how i take it, i may be wrong, but thats how i understand the 2016 35 mpg bill that he wants just as an overall for the company.

 

[andy13186]

i dont see how ford can look at all these other cars like the new camaro etc making 450 hp 500 torque or w/e and still think 300 hp is acceptable. its rediculous


they need to get a 5.4 with like 400+ HP asap

 

[CobraRed_96_GT]

I will admit though, the 5.0 (big bore 4.6 I believe), IS a good step in the right direction.

The Coyote is not a big bore 4.6 it's an entirely different platform - its not even a 3V.

And yes it says expected, but Ford doesnt have any other engines in the works that are assembly line ready yet besides the 6.2 which might be cobra material but i doubt it. The 5.0 is going into the mustang, so sho

 

[32ValveRom]

I just think it's inevitable. Ford is either gonna use a 5.0 3v or 5.0 4v. If not those two than a 5.4 which I highly doubt. No offense guys but I just never expect anything too out of the ordinary from Ford. Sometimes they're too predictable. But if they were to use a 6.2 l like Chevy, that would be surpising.

 

[98bluevert]

i dont see how ford can look at all these other cars like the new camaro etc making 450 hp 500 torque or w/e and still think 300 hp is acceptable. its rediculous


they need to get a 5.4 with like 400+ HP asap

Everything i have seen says the Camaro SS puts out 425 HP i have seen dyno's at 358

I just think it's inevitable. Ford is either gonna use a 5.0 3v or 5.0 4v. If not those two than a 5.4 which I highly doubt. No offense guys but I just never expect anything too out of the ordinary from Ford. Sometimes they're too predictable. But if they were to use a 6.2 l like Chevy, that would be surpising.

Do either of you guys read anything than whats on this site to get your info, tons of other places for info just use google. Not trying to be an a$$ but come on.

read the article instead of making stupid comments
Return of the 5.0: Ford Exec confirms 400 hp 'Coyote' V8 coming in 2010

 

[Wolvrin704]

OK here's my thoughts on that, i am not sure if every vehicle is suppose to be atleast 35 mpg but last i checked an f-250 will never get that.

Correct me if i am wrong but wasnt it back in the 80's when they had to be at 25 mpg average for the company so to offset the trucks and V8 cars that got less Ford, Chevy, and Dodge mass produced 4-banger rangers, s-10's and smaller cars to reach that goal as an overall.

This is how i take it, i may be wrong, but thats how i understand the 2016 35 mpg bill that he wants just as an overall for the company.

My understanding is that the MPG is supposed to be acrossa vehicle type for a company. For example light trucks are a vehicle class so whatever is in that class as a whole woul dhave to average 35.5mpg not every vehicle but on the other hand no longer can they make a slew of small economy cars to make up for the gas hog trucks and SUV's.

So what we are going to start seeing IMO is that vehicles will start getting smaller and they will start losing weight via lighter materials as the easiest way to increase MPG. Ford already has plans to start losing weight on their vehicles.