Could NOT be happier w/ Edelbrock E-Force's Blower

[timfoster405]

OK...this car is freak'n fast. I went from maybe 250 rwhp sluggish factory tune auto, 100% stock... to a monster...scary fast... and I left Tillman's with the 3.50 pulley on... I want to make sure I get the driving thing down first before I go with the 475 rwhp at 11.50 psi....

I am very happy with the car...funny thing is... for 19 years... I have been playing around with mustangs... bit by bit adding this and that to the cars to enhance their performance... always thinking "what next?"

but now, I just went all out with ONE very important mod (blower) and there's nothing more to do to the car...

Headers...long tubes... for what 10 rwhp? for $1,500 installed? X-pipe w/ high-flow cats...$500? for how much rwhp... 5? don't need a t-body... don't need more ribs (wider belt)... or a beefier tensioner... or fuel system... relocated IAT sensor... in fact the E-force provided IAT sensor is actually two sensors... IAT and a 2 bar MAP, which I have wired into my aeroforce interceptor to monitor (electronically) boost along with my mechanical boost gauge.... Wait... there's more... using the high flow CAI from Edelbrock... don't anything there also... 90 lb/min MAF... good for 700+ rwhp...

The Tillman Eforce kit is COMPLETE!!

The engine most likely can't take any more hp, so I really got no where to go except forged internals...

Secondly, going with 3.73's wont help... 1st gear is useless as it stands w/ 3.31's... and with the 3.50 pulley, second just barely hooks now. With the 3.25 pulley, 2nd will most likely become useless at WOT.

Talking to Rob Simons, the eng/designer of the eforce, he recommends a mild set of blower cams that will enhance top end flow... and slightly reduce the boost increase and INCREASING FLOW to the engine. (sort of like unbending a straw as you drink something, the pressure is reduced before the kink and the flow increases)

Data logging on my aeroforce I see about 7 psi at 3000 rpms... 9 psi at 6000 rpms... and I saw a blip to 10 psi at 6500 rpms right before it shifted into 3rd. basically 7-9.5 psi as Chris mentioned.

Sorry to ramble on... still somewhat giddy about the car...my total investment is:

$21,650 - 07 GT w/ 8k miles (nothing like letting someone else pay for the depreciation)
~$1,200 MD state sales tax (bastards)
~$6,XXX Blower installed/tuned (cut me some slack on a "used" blower)
~$1,100 3 gauges/pillar installed (Cobalt WB and boost, and aeroforce)
$284 - SSS mufflers shipped (seem to be Borla knock-offs, but sound and look good)

Total investment - ~$31,000 for a 550 hp car w/ heated/leather seats, good handling, decent gas mileage (average 24 mpg driving home from tillmans) and killer stereo...This is far cry from the level of quality from the good ol' 5.0L days...(of which I have found memories of crushing the camaros & trans ams... and running neck & neck with the Grand Nationals...)

(happy as a clam)

 

[COBESGT]

Damn, I'm jealous!
I'd love to do the same thing, adding a blower, I just can't seem to come up with the cabbage to swing it. Guess I'll have to keep trying to win the lottery!

 

[TBrad]

That Edelbrock set up is great!
The only thing I don't like is all the Edelbrock emblems they put under the hood that comes with the kit.

But that doesn't mean I can't sand them down and paint them.



Here's a little engine dyno video y'all can drool over.
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[Gearbanger 101]

The only thing I don't like is all the Edelbrock emblems they put under the hood that comes with the kit.

Exactly my issue with it. I hate the way they "whore out" their name all over the thing. It reminds me of BBK.

...on a seperate note. How's the blower whine Tim? That's one thing I'll never get tired of hearing and would probably miss otherwise. I've got an Eaton on my car and get a smile on my face everytime I go WOT. Then I hear the newest Kenne Bell line up, with their nearly silent operation and it actually bums me out a little.

 

[Preston951]

Your 'Stang sounds AMAZING man! I'm SOOOO jealous of you!
I take it you're running the tuner kit from Edelbrock? I think that one is supposed to run more in the 7-9 psi. Awesome! Sounds like a blast! Congrats!

Headers...long tubes... for what 10 rwhp? for $1,500 installed? X-pipe w/ high-flow cats...$500? for how much rwhp... 5? don't need a t-body... don't need more ribs (wider belt)... or a beefier tensioner... or fuel system... relocated IAT sensor... in fact the E-force provided IAT sensor is actually two sensors... IAT and a 2 bar MAP, which I have wired into my aeroforce interceptor to monitor (electronically) boost along with my mechanical boost gauge.... Wait... there's more... using the high flow CAI from Edelbrock... don't anything there also... 90 lb/min MAF... good for 700+ rwhp...

Well... Longtube headers are GREAT for these two reasons: Fricken' awesome sound... and... Lower manifold pressure! A great example of "lower manifold pressure" would be this (just an example... not real numbers):

Stock headers & midpipe - 9.5 psi - 462 rwhp
Longtube headers & appropriate h/x pipe - 8.2 psi - 479 rwhp

Those are the types of results you'll see from longtubes. Without a pulley change, you'll have less boost in the engine AND more power at the same time. I've seen people dyno and gain nearly 45rwhp on a supercharged setup... Holy crap!

One thing you NEED to do is suspension/brake mods... You're just asking for something to break... Or worse... You'll lose control while driving. No good!

 

[o0Dan0o]

Congrats on the blower, I have heard some really great things about the E-force, mainly that it is, as you said, a very complete kit. Like Preston said, LT's on a SC engine are worth a lot more than on NA cars. From what I have seen on cars making around your power (on this and other forums) they are worth 30-35 rwhp. The stock manifolds flow well enough for NA and very mild FI setups, but not for 400+ rwhp.
Dan

 

[timfoster405]

The blower wine is almost inperceptable. Frankly, I don't even notice it. It is very stealth. I think from the front, as the car takes off hard, you can hear a slight whine. From inside the car... like I said, I don't even notice it. Good and Bad I guess, I had a 5.0L vortech for a long time and after a while got sick of the whine at idle...

On my Terminator, when I put on the K&N FIPK, I could hear the whine of the Eaton... sort of sounded like an electric motor speeding up...

As far as long tube...my tuner is telling me 10-15 rwhp. He just did a 10lb whipple gen2 and only added 9 rwhp from stock headers and high flow x-pipe.

Right now, I got 450 rwhp at 7-9.5 lbs and 475 rwhp at 9-11.5 w/ the 3.25 pulley. I really don't want to blow another 1500-1600 bucks for them installed. I know they will add hp and lower boost...

I was thinking of going FRPP shorties and magnaflow x-pipe... I could do this for about $800 installed and keep my emission status legal and don't have to worry about idling problems that some guys have with long tubes...

 

[o0Dan0o]

As far as long tube...my tuner is telling me 10-15 rwhp. He just did a 10lb whipple gen2 and only added 9 rwhp from stock headers and high flow x-pipe.

Right now, I got 450 rwhp at 7-9.5 lbs and 475 rwhp at 9-11.5 w/ the 3.25 pulley. I really don't want to blow another 1500-1600 bucks for them installed. I know they will add hp and lower boost...

I was thinking of going FRPP shorties and magnaflow x-pipe... I could do this for about $800 installed and keep my emission status legal and don't have to worry about idling problems that some guys have with long tubes...

I don't have any first hand experience with LT's and FI, but I gained in the ball park of 10 rwhp from my LT's on my NA car (guesstimate as I did all the mods at once, but given my power compared to other with similar mods minus LTs). I'd have to imagine that on a car with 150 more hp than mine they'd be worth a bit more. But considering you're fairly close to the limit on your stock bottom end, it may be wise to simply stay happy with what you have.
Dan

 

[Preston951]

As far as long tube...my tuner is telling me 10-15 rwhp. He just did a 10lb whipple gen2 and only added 9 rwhp from stock headers and high flow x-pipe.

Right now, I got 450 rwhp at 7-9.5 lbs and 475 rwhp at 9-11.5 w/ the 3.25 pulley. I really don't want to blow another 1500-1600 bucks for them installed. I know they will add hp and lower boost...

I was thinking of going FRPP shorties and magnaflow x-pipe... I could do this for about $800 installed and keep my emission status legal and don't have to worry about idling problems that some guys have with long tubes...

Hmm. Well, depending on the dyno, the gas, the temperature, and the car, a lot of things can determine the outcome of performance mods. You'll probably get much more than 10-15 on a longtube setup. As Dan said, 10-15 is more for NA cars...

Gained 15 rwhp and 17 tq on a stock Bullit - Tillman Speed 08 Bullitt w/Kooks Long Tube Dyno Results!!! - Ford Mustang Forums

I bet you'll gain close to that (15rwhp/17tq) with shorties and an x pipe. You'd most likely be 25-30rwhp/35tq up with long tubes.

S197 Ford Mustang Headers - Three-Valve Long-Tube Header Test - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

If you would like to keep cost down on longtubes, go with BBK...

 

[rkovalik]

Very Nice !

 

[SpartaPerformance]

timfoster405 these cars love UN-natural aspiration. I remember those day of adding parts here and there to Mustangs and now you can achieve more with just one mod if you just pool all your money together, it's great!!

 

[CodeZer0]

. I want to make sure I get the driving thing down first before I go with the 475 rwhp at 11.50 psi....

but now, I just went all out with ONE very important mod (blower) and there's nothing more to do to the car...

Headers...long tubes... for what 10 rwhp? for $1,500 installed? X-pipe w/ high-flow cats...$500? for how much rwhp... 5? don't need a t-body... don't need more ribs (wider belt)... or a beefier tensioner... or fuel system... relocated IAT sensor...
The Tillman Eforce kit is COMPLETE!!


Secondly, going with 3.73's wont help... 1st gear is useless as it stands w/ 3.31's... and with the 3.50 pulley, second just barely hooks now. With the 3.25 pulley, 2nd will most likely become useless at WOT.

I know this post is like 3 years old but for all the people that may be searching threads looking for accurate information about FI and their s197 Mustang:

I have a 2005 Roush Stage 1. First thing I done to the car was put a Roush TVS 2300 phase 1 blower on it. (475 flywheel HP advertised). It's a very similiar kit to the E-force. It came with a 4.10" Pulley which runs about 5.5 PSI of boost. With stock exhaust the car Dyno'd @ 428 RWHP / 392 RWTQ.

The 2ND HP mod I done to the car (other than adding a Kenne Bell Boost a pump to handle the fuel) was a set of Pype's Long tube headers with off-road H-pipe. The car picked up from the before mentioned 428RWHP/392TQ to 451RWHP and 420Ft/lbs torque. 33 Rear wheel HP and 28 ft/lbs of torque. So I don't know who your tuner is but 10hp from a set of long tubes on a FI setup it way off..
.DON'T FEAR THE GEAR! After a blower pulley swap (3.6") bringing my stang up to 471RWHP / 455RWTQ @ 8psi, I went with some FRPP 4:10 gears and rebuilt my locker with the Ford Racing carbon fiber disc kit. Now this much gear isn't for everyone. It really depends what you want to do with your car and if you are running blower, nitrous, or turbo. But for drag racing - even with a positive displacement blower 4:10s are the money!! Just changing the gear, my car picked up right at .5 in the 1/8th mile. Was trying to go to Steel (1/4 mile track) tonight to see what it done for me there but was rained out. The cure for wheel spin is the right tire. I personally like the Nitto 555R drag radial. I run a 305/35/18 .They hook very well and still handle awesome.

And yes my car is a dailey driver stock body/interior car. Even have a Roush racing custom themed sub box with Pioneer Avic DVD/ Navigation head unit and 2 x 10" Alpine subs. And still get resonable gas mileage as well.