2010 Camaro

[Top Speed]

Well , I can see your point and understand it. Remember though that Camaro is about 4 years in the making...not developing but the traditional "on again Off again" Gm style of automobile manufactering lol. Its not perfect by anymeans, and the Recall for the Camaro is about the positive battery cable in the SS models. Causing it to die. Its affected 300 units.

Hopefully thatll be all, but probably not.. I mean the Camaro is new from the ground up, shares the same platform with the All new G8. So its got some kinks to work out....Never buy a first year model or second lol. I mean comeon the 05 Mustang had Air bag issues and more, most besides the airbag issue was minor, just like the Camaros. All I have to say is ,if your buying a Brand new model..be ready to have some things fixed...sucks, but thats how it is.

2005 Ford Mustang Recalls, Defects, & Safety Problems at Automotive.com

I haven't heard of all these problems with a G8.

 

[SS02]

List of problems with the G8....Biggest thing is the 55mph shutter, chipping paint ext...same stuff.

 

[Fast05]

Camaro August Sales - 8680 Units

Mustang August Sales - 6289 Units


Camaro Kicks Mustang, Challenger's Ass For Third Straight Month - Muscle Car Wars - Jalopnik

As has been said many times before...this is obviously no surprise. It's everyone that's been wanting a Camaro for the past 7 years unable to buy one, and now they can. I'll be more interested in these figures in a year from now.

 

[SS02]

^^ true... Iagree. A year from now is when we"ll see whats really going to happen for the Camaro.

 

[Top Speed]

List of problems with the G8....Biggest thing is the 55mph shutter, chipping paint ext...same stuff.

That surprises me about the paint with GM. I have a '94 Camaro and it's been out in the weather since at least 1996, and it still shines. I've never had an issue with paint on any of my GM vehicles.

As for the 55 mph shudder, my Camaro had the same issue. I think it's different for the 6spds, because with the automatics, that's when the engine is under load.

 

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^^ yeah but its a small thing, only a few guys have had the paint issues, on the G8 boards alot of them dont have a problem at all. The Shudder seems to be common, dont know if thats a correction possibility by GM, or the consumer will just have to live with it. Alot of them are saying change the stock tires and it goes away....lol...others have said they did and now pissed because its still there. Dunno

 

[dr_stanglove]

Don't forget the launch control problems with the camaro SS... nothing like leaving your output shaft at the light.

That checklist really is mostly just a list of little things that folks have spotted in their vehicles when they picked them up at the dealership (or shortly after they got home with their new ride). Things like the satellite antenna not quite flush with the roof (like about a business card gap, which is pretty small). Obviously, some are larger.

I agree that GM had plenty of time to get the camaro out onto the market, and in true (old) Detroit fashion got around to it when they got around to it. But I don't equate that extra time with them working out a single bug in the vehicle. As long as it passed federal inspection, it was good to go.

I don't know that Ford would have done it any differently.

I also think that we're seeing a HUGE change in the way that car companies are going to be introducing new vehicles. The turn around time on these "green" vehicles is lightening fast in comparison to just a half dozen years ago. Yes, there's a clamor for green vehicles now, but there was a clamor for the camaro too, and it still took GM 4 years to get 'er done.

 

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The Chevy Volt appears next year....lets hope theres no bug issues in that lol

 

[Justin01]

Blah.

After reading 7 pages I hoped to have seen more useful info other than bickering, oh well. To all those who complain, there was a title to the thread before you clicked on it. If you're not here to read about anything but Mustangs, you don't have to read (much less post) in a thread titled "2010 Camaro". Until the mods decide a seperate section is needed to divide "Tech" and "Talk" ( please, please soon!! ), you'll just have to sift through the stuff you don't want to read.

Go to the other Camaro and Challenger and Civic SI, etc, boards and see if they don't have info about the enemies!!! I for one, want to know what they are doing with simple bolt ons, if you don't care, don't look, or post, or whatever.

Off Topic:
In my books, given equal opportunites:
5.0 < 4.6 2v < 4.6 3v < 5.4 4v (I've owned each one save the 4V)
LT1 < LS1 < LS2 < LS3

They didn't spend millions of dollars improving for nothing. Also look at the safety records for older stangs and maros and weight those as well.

 

[2k05gt]

^^ true... Iagree. A year from now is when we"ll see whats really going to happen for the Camaro.

A Year from now you will see a 400hp Mustang w/ a 6spd and it will be neck and neck with the camaro.

That being said... I want a 2011 Camaro (Would never buy a 1st year GM product) My 2011 CyberGrey Metalic SS will be parked right next to my 2005 Mineral Grey Mustang GT.

My 05 GT Runs 12.229 @ 110 mph N/A with Bolt-ons so my camaro will have some catching up to do. Plus my Wife want's it to be a Convertable At least I will have a Camaro

The Chevy Volt appears next year....lets hope theres no bug issues in that lol

It would be "Shocking" if there weren’t any

 

[Top Speed]

Blah.

After reading 7 pages I hoped to have seen more useful info other than bickering, oh well. To all those who complain, there was a title to the thread before you clicked on it. If you're not here to read about anything but Mustangs, you don't have to read (much less post) in a thread titled "2010 Camaro". Until the mods decide a seperate section is needed to divide "Tech" and "Talk" ( please, please soon!! ), you'll just have to sift through the stuff you don't want to read.

Go to the other Camaro and Challenger and Civic SI, etc, boards and see if they don't have info about the enemies!!! I for one, want to know what they are doing with simple bolt ons, if you don't care, don't look, or post, or whatever.

Off Topic:
In my books, given equal opportunites:
5.0 < 4.6 2v < 4.6 3v < 5.4 4v (I've owned each one save the 4V)
LT1 < LS1 < LS2 < LS3

They didn't spend millions of dollars improving for nothing. Also look at the safety records for older stangs and maros and weight those as well.

I guess I missed all the bickering. Looks more like a bit of debating to me.

Congrats on the only informative post here; yours. My automotive wisdom has increased sevenfold since reading your observation of best motor to worse from both sides, Ford and GM.

 

[Justin01]

I guess I missed all the bickering. Looks more like a bit of debating to me.

Congrats on the only informative post here; yours. My automotive wisdom has increased sevenfold since reading your observation of best motor to worse from both sides, Ford and GM.

My point, which you obviously missed, was there is little info about the intented camaro topic. I think it's cool people are open to discussing different cars on "blind" boards, but I don't think we need to have a "debate" about the Camaro's standings with Ford, Chrysler, etc in everytime someone mentions the car. Maybe that's what is so redundant.


LOL to your last statement. Seems you don't quite understand.....oh well.

 

[Top Speed]

My point, which you obviously missed, was there is little info about the intented camaro topic. I think it's cool people are open to discussing different cars on "blind" boards, but I don't think we need to have a "debate" about the Camaro's standings with Ford, Chrysler, etc in everytime someone mentions the car. Maybe that's what is so redundant.


LOL to your last statement. Seems you don't quite understand.....oh well.

I understand quite well, thanks. As for the new Camaro, I don't think there's anything about it that hasn't already been said. Comprende'?

 

[SS02]

Fesler Moss Camaro

Fesler Moss Camaro

Hopefully GM will copy this for the new model.... Light years better in the Rear

 

[Top Speed]

Fesler Moss Camaro

Hopefully GM will copy this for the new model.... Light years better in the Rear

The wheels are horrible. They look like they were ordered from a "Pep Boys Performance" catalog.

Maybe Fesler removed about 500 lbs while they were at it.

 

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^^^ If 500lbs were removed it would run times of the C6 Vette...its running 12.80s and 12.90s...how much faster do you want it.... Dumb question I know, but it holds the weight well in the straight aways. If the mustang launches the 5.0 weighing 3900lbs, id still buy it, I bet it still runs low 13s high 12s.

Look at the Lambos, ferrari's and such....hell even they are wieghing in over 4000lbs....Price we have to pay so the Government can think were safe............going 150 mph

 

[Top Speed]

^^^ If 500lbs were removed it would run times of the C6 Vette...its running 12.80s and 12.90s...how much faster do you want it.... Dumb question I know, but it holds the weight well in the straight aways. If the mustang launches the 5.0 weighing 3900lbs, id still buy it, I bet it still runs low 13s high 12s.

Look at the Lambos, ferrari's and such....hell even they are wieghing in over 4000lbs....Price we have to pay so the Government can think were safe............going 150 mph

The Murcielago weighs near 4000 lbs, and so does the Ferrari Scaglietti and new California. None of those cars are small, and none of them are considered to be the world's greatest handlers from either of those companies. They're undoubtedly showstoppers, but their strengths are on the freeway and Autobahn. If you want to attach corners, you hit yourself up with either a Gallardo or F430.

That's great that the Camaro "holds its weight" in a straight line, but the road bends, too. The funniest thing out of the whole thing is that GM was determined to "stick a fork" in the Mustang once and for all, and even after all that determination they failed...miserably. Instead, what GM managed to do was build a porky, bulbous "Muscle Car" that Daddy would want because he missed out on a new 1969 Camaro. This new Camaro is nothing more than a straight-line performer that deserves nothing more than to be crawling along in a Macy's Day Parade with some old bastard behind at the helm, smiling and waving to everyone.

Last night I attended a car show and somebody was there proudly showing off their new Camaro. Being the type of person I am, I had to go look at this attrocity, and the closer I got to this ca, the uglier it became. The sides were flat, the "square" taillights looked out of place, and it just looked...blocky. That car has a nice side profile and even a front profile, but anything from a 3/4 view is just ungodly. It looks big, unproportionate, and like a box with two round headlights. The Mustang looks good from any angle.

It also strikes me as funny that despite the Camaro being the "newest" of the two between it and the Mustang, back to back tests show EVERYONE commenting on how much lighter on its feet the Mustang feels, and how it's much more controlled. What a discovery! The 2010 Mustang is superior to the Camaro in every way except for in the "power department" and the "sophisticated suspension department," though somehow Ford seems to manage controlling the live axle.

 

[TURBO80LXCOUPE]

i think the new maro is a sick car with lots of potential.the new mustang does not do any thing for me.looks ugly and very little power increase.
will see if ford actualy puts a new motor in the stang for 2011 but i doubt
it.the ls series are a great base for power n/a.hopefully ford steps it up.
now only if ls parts would get cheaper

 

[Top Speed]

i think the new maro is a sick car with lots of potential.the new mustang does not do any thing for me.looks ugly and very little power increase.
will see if ford actualy puts a new motor in the stang for 2011 but i doubt
it.the ls series are a great base for power n/a.hopefully ford steps it up.
now only if ls parts would get cheaper

How does a 4000 lb pig add up to potential? There's the potential to go fast in a straight line, but what happens when the road curves? It's going to be like auto-crossing a 1971 Caprice.

Also, maybe the 2011 Mustang will get the 5.0L motor, but there's rumors that the 2011 Mustang is also going to weigh nearly 3900 lbs. Again, any power increase you may get is going to be washed out by the weight. Let's say that the 2011 Mustang does get the 400 hp 5.0L, and the car does weigh 3900 lbs. What happens then? That 85 extra hp all of a sudden just washes itself out, and what you wind up with is a 400 hp car that doesn't do anything but move in a straight line, and it may not even move much faster than the lighter 315 hp variant.

As for styling, to each his/her own. I'm not a huge fan of Mustangs, other than the '68-'70 fastbacks (GT, Mach 1, Boss), Fox LXs , and the '05-currents. Otherwise, When it comes to Camaros, I'll happily take take any of them except for a 5th Generation model. If I could own any Camaro, I'd own a 1977 Z28 in silver/black/red. No, they didn't make a lot of power, but damned if they didn't look good.

 

[SS02]

How does a 4000 lb pig add up to potential? There's the potential to go fast in a straight line, but what happens when the road curves? It's going to be like auto-crossing a 1971 Caprice.

Also, maybe the 2011 Mustang will get the 5.0L motor, but there's rumors that the 2011 Mustang is also going to weigh nearly 3900 lbs. Again, any power increase you may get is going to be washed out by the weight. Let's say that the 2011 Mustang does get the 400 hp 5.0L, and the car does weigh 3900 lbs. What happens then? That 85 extra hp all of a sudden just washes itself out, and what you wind up with is a 400 hp car that doesn't do anything but move in a straight line, and it may not even move much faster than the lighter 315 hp variant.

As for styling, to each his/her own. I'm not a huge fan of Mustangs, other than the '68-'70 fastbacks (GT, Mach 1, Boss), Fox LXs , and the '05-currents. Otherwise, When it comes to Camaros, I'll happily take take any of them except for a 5th Generation model. If I could own any Camaro, I'd own a 1977 Z28 in silver/black/red. No, they didn't make a lot of power, but damned if they didn't look good.

Well its all but confirmed about the Track pack for the Camaro, its obvious the Camaro isnt a great handler, although it only finished 1.4 ticks behind the GT500 at the nuhremburg (I spelled that wrong). Styling is to each his own, I know alot that hate the rear of the Stang, although I think it looks alot better after some time seeing it.

The 1977 Z28 isnt a road handler either ....although gorgous