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I really don't care for the part where Ford says that they plan on 100% of their transmissions being DSG by 2013. Please don't take away my manual option. There is no replacement for a manual transmission.
 
I'm pretty sure the 100% replacement means all current automatics could get replaced with this, not manuals.

Yeah I think that's the case as well. This is one of those changes I think are way overanalyzed. The DSG trans is faster than any person could ever hope to shift anyway. 50ms from a DSG and 500ms from a human is quite a difference.
 
Originally Posted by white-04
I'm pretty sure the 100% replacement means all current automatics could get replaced with this, not manuals.
Yeah I think that's the case as well. This is one of those changes I think are way overanalyzed. The DSG trans is faster than any person could ever hope to shift anyway. 50ms from a DSG and 500ms from a human is quite a difference.

I'm pretty sure that most people that drive a manual don't really care that much about how fast they can shift the gears. Driving a manual is about so much more than that. You really have so much more control than you do with any other transmission and it is just much much more fun. I'd pick 500ms myself over 50ms from a computer any day.
 
I'm pretty sure that most people that drive a manual don't really care that much about how fast they can shift the gears. Driving a manual is about so much more than that. You really have so much more control than you do with any other transmission and it is just much much more fun. I'd pick 500ms myself over 50ms from a computer any day.

That was just from a performance take of it. These transmissions can actually shift as fast as 8 milliseconds. These are far more efficient than standard autos, they have less parasitic loss and therefore can help return better fuel economy. So in case you don't get it, this is a better deal than the current 5R55S. I didn't say it's better than a manual because that is a driver's opinion (though from a performance standpoint, you'll lose)

Downsides to the DSG at the moment is the cost to rebuild (rediculously expensive) and the torque limits of the trans (currently pretty weak).
 
That was just from a performance take of it. These transmissions can actually shift as fast as 8 milliseconds. These are far more efficient than standard autos, they have less parasitic loss and therefore can help return better fuel economy. So in case you don't get it, this is a better deal than the current 5R55S. I didn't say it's better than a manual because that is a driver's opinion (though from a performance standpoint, you'll lose)

Downsides to the DSG at the moment is the cost to rebuild (rediculously expensive) and the torque limits of the trans (currently pretty weak).

I don't think anyone was suggesting that it wasn't better than the current automatic. I think the point was that no one wants the true manual option taken away. I could care less how slow I shift compared to a computer controlled transmission, I'd still take the manual. And that's not to knock the DSG, I understand people who don't know how to drive manual, or don't want to drive in bumper to bumper traffic riding a clutch, obviously this will be good for them. And so they shift faster.....but I have more fun doing it myself. :)