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You could good buy a 5.0 liter for $2500 in running driving shape that you could drive and work on at the same time. Buyin a 4 banger for 2500 just makes zero sense, you know the time and money its goin to take you to make the swap, just look for a 5.0 car, if that car was 1000-1200 it would be a different story, again, just not worth it
 
You could good buy a 5.0 liter for $2500 in running driving shape that you could drive and work on at the same time. Buyin a 4 banger for 2500 just makes zero sense, you know the time and money its goin to take you to make the swap, just look for a 5.0 car, if that car was 1000-1200 it would be a different story, again, just not worth it
Thanks. I'm not going to buy the car. But like I said, I plan to do a LSx swap, so I have no need to drive the car and work on it at the same time. I will yank the engine as soon as I have a garage in which to do so.

My primary concern is to find a clean car...inside and out. Craigslist is filled with cars in primer, cars with rust, cars with torn up interiors, etc.

What I'm looking for is a clean car with no rust and a sound interior. Since so many of the 5.0 cars have been owned by kids and hacks over the years, I figured a four cylinder car has the greatest likelihood of having been treated well.

By all means, if I come across a 5.0 with a straight, rust free body and a clean interior for the right price, I'll grab it.

Tipsy
 
The problem with buying a 4-popper car is that the entire car is built weaker than the V8 cars. Wimpy rear end, smaller front brakes, softer springs, etc, etc. If you plan on swapping all of that, then it doesn't matter, but you would just be starting with a "better" car if you found a V8 car.


Damn, I'm giving good advice to a LSx swap wannabe... What's wrong with me? :p
 
I'm not sure what disturbs me more....the thought of a good 5.0L car going under the knife to another misguided LSX swap project, or yet another clean 4-cylinder car going under the knife that might have otherwise been used to breathe lnew ife into an already competent Mustang with a great Ford Drivetrain but an ailing/damaged body. :(
 
The problem with buying a 4-popper car is that the entire car is built weaker than the V8 cars. Wimpy rear end, smaller front brakes, softer springs, etc, etc. If you plan on swapping all of that, then it doesn't matter, but you would just be starting with a "better" car if you found a V8 car.
All of this has already been considered. I'd plan to swap the entire rear from a '94-'95 and the front brakes are also an easy swap from a SN95. I'd be converting to five lug one way or the other. It's just as easy to swap the entire rear.

I'm not sure what disturbs me more....the thought of a good 5.0L car going under the knife to another misguided LSX swap project, or yet another clean 4-cylinder car going under the knife...
Misguided in your opinion. If you're truly disturbed by something as trivial as how I plan to spend some free time, you might want to consider talking with a professional.

Tipsy
 
Misguided in your opinion. If you're truly disturbed by something as trivial as how I plan to spend some free time, you might want to consider talking with a professional.

Tipsy

Not disturbed in the sense that I need professional help.....more like the way I feel when I see the hot, girl next door (Amanda Bynes type) type fall for and marry some fist pumping, Jersey douche bag just to piss off her parents. You know that he treats her like garbage and cheats on her any chance he gets and that if she were your girl, you’d cherish and treat her with the respect and admiration she deserves….but you just can’t get it through her pretty little head in time.

Oh sure, she’s come to her senses eventually, but it usually takes a few emotional beat downs and daily stripping of her self-worth before it sinks in….at which point her best years are behind her, he’s banging her sister on the side, she’s accumulate all sorts of financial debt that she’ll be tied to with him for the next 10-years and has ruined those fresh face looks by having three ****head kids (if they’re boys, probably mini versions of him) with the guy and developing a 3-pack a day smoking habit.

Makes my skin crawl. :leaving:
 
I'm not sure where any of you other guys are from with your you-can-buy-cleaner-for-cheaper; doesn't do this man a lick of good unless you are within a 100 miles of his zip code.

I know one of you has a sister's best friend, next-door neighbor who's buddy happens to own the Fox Kindom and has a mint 4cyl car with no rust and clean interior for 1500 and it happens to be a coupe.

I can tell you that anywhere within 150 miles of Chicago, a deal like this will not be found, and therefore I would not advise this guy that you can find cleaner for cheaper. If he acquired a clean shell for two, he'd be doing very well in my neck of the woods. He could sell off the 4cyl, trans, all brake parts to someone who want to keep their 4-banger going.

Tipsy, if you would post up your general buying zip so that these other people who have shed great wisdom upon you can use it to find a cleaner, rust free 4cyl for you; it would be appreciated.


As far as an LSx swap wtf not? Just a cam in an LS engine 6.0 if we must be specific is good for over 90 hp at the crank which would put it to just about 500 at the crank. Oh you want more, Add a set of heads to it.

Trailblazer SS Bolt-Ons - Headers and Cat-Back Exhaust - Super Chevy Magazine

LS2 engine tests stage one and two - cams and heads - GM High Tech Performance

"Our numbers for just the Stage I Livernois cam uncovered impressive potential in the LS2. Peak numbers rang out at 494.4 hp at 6,400 rpm and 450 lb-ft of torque at 5,200 rpm. That's a quick, 90hp pop for just a cam change! Torque numbers were up at peak, with only a slight loss down low--369.8 lb-ft at 3,000 rpm, showing that the engine will still offer good grunt with the cam. More interesting is the useable area under the curve and how much more useable rpm the engine picks up. With this cam, you won't need to shift the car until well past 6,500 versus peak numbers of 5,300 rpm for the stocker. Not only will you gain big power, but with an additional 1,000 rpm to use in each gear, the car will feel stupid fast."
 
Tipsy, if you would post up your general buying zip so that these other people who have shed great wisdom upon you can use it to find a cleaner, rust free 4cyl for you; it would be appreciated.
I live in NYC (10128) but I'm looking for a house on the FL Gulf coast. Once I have the house, that's where I'll be doing the work. I'll be splitting my time between NYC and FL. No place to do the work here in the city.

I'm willing to travel for a good car...which is why I prefer to find a solid runner. I can travel by air for free so it's no problem for me to go to another state for the right car...but I won't do that for a roller because I'd have to rent a truck and trailer...which I'm not willing to do.

Tipsy
 
I'm not sure where any of you other guys are from with your you-can-buy-cleaner-for-cheaper; doesn't do this man a lick of good unless you are within a 100 miles of his zip code.

I know one of you has a sister's best friend, next-door neighbor who's buddy happens to own the Fox Kindom and has a mint 4cyl car with no rust and clean interior for 1500 and it happens to be a coupe.

I can tell you that anywhere within 150 miles of Chicago, a deal like this will not be found, and therefore I would not advise this guy that you can find cleaner for cheaper. If he acquired a clean shell for two, he'd be doing very well in my neck of the woods. He could sell off the 4cyl, trans, all brake parts to someone who want to keep their 4-banger going.

Tipsy, if you would post up your general buying zip so that these other people who have shed great wisdom upon you can use it to find a cleaner, rust free 4cyl for you; it would be appreciated.


As far as an LSx swap wtf not? Just a cam in an LS engine 6.0 if we must be specific is good for over 90 hp at the crank which would put it to just about 500 at the crank. Oh you want more, Add a set of heads to it.

Trailblazer SS Bolt-Ons - Headers and Cat-Back Exhaust - Super Chevy Magazine

LS2 engine tests stage one and two - cams and heads - GM High Tech Performance

"Our numbers for just the Stage I Livernois cam uncovered impressive potential in the LS2. Peak numbers rang out at 494.4 hp at 6,400 rpm and 450 lb-ft of torque at 5,200 rpm. That's a quick, 90hp pop for just a cam change! Torque numbers were up at peak, with only a slight loss down low--369.8 lb-ft at 3,000 rpm, showing that the engine will still offer good grunt with the cam. More interesting is the useable area under the curve and how much more useable rpm the engine picks up. With this cam, you won't need to shift the car until well past 6,500 versus peak numbers of 5,300 rpm for the stocker. Not only will you gain big power, but with an additional 1,000 rpm to use in each gear, the car will feel stupid fast."
Whoa guy, not even a hint of hiding your cynical connotations. Shoot a bunch of guys for trying to help....:nonono:
 
Whoa guy, not even a hint of hiding your cynical connotations. Shoot a bunch of guys for trying to help....:nonono:

I felt like I was reading a rag or something, here Tipsy post up a clean rust free trunk car, for what I would consider to be a fair price for a good, clean Fox slate that he could drive home if needed and everyone was like oh well that's just too much.

My point was that talk is cheap, post up some cleaner Notch's for a lot less money and hook the man up. Throw the man a few leads and SHOW him that cleaner coupes in his area could be had for a lot less.

Fox Notches are starting to become like an Impala SS market, for the clean ones, you are going to have to pay more than what the bank deems them to be worth. Hatches (LX & GT) are a dime a dozen, especially with red interior, I've seen more verts for sale than I have ever imagined, yet, the Notches are still staying up there in price.

Don't get me wrong, I see an occasional Stangnet member find a deal of a century on here once a month, but that certainly doesn't set the price for the rest of the market.

If I were in Tipsy's shoes, I'd walk up with 2g cash and throw it on the guys hood and say its all I got mister; take it or leave it. Chances are good that he'd be driving a way in it. Once you flash the cash, people get the itch to sell.
 
Whoa Gearbanger get screwed over once or twice? As for swapping an LS motor into a mustang if this were the 1500's you'd be subject to the Inquisition. A final note on the four banger swap it is guaranteed that it hasnt been thrashed. No torn up torque boxes and I have not yet swapped the rear out but so far its taken any beating I have thrown at it. If and when it goes, its the perfect excuse to find a turbo coupe rear.