The quickest way to gain 40 hp
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ChillPhatCat
Dirt-Old 20+Year Member
The upper limit for the block is around 400 RWHp... Probably best to dial it back to 375 RWHp to stay in safe limits. That'd be what maybe 8 lbs on a roots blower? I'd imagine the TR3650 should be fine if you're not going to be tracking the car regularly... it's rated to something like 360 Ft-lbs of torque.
trinity_gt
10 Year Member
My 3650 has given no trouble for me at ~390rwHP. But I also have 245-series tires and am somewhat traction limited giving the trans and rear a break. Lots of people are making way more power and torque on this transmission without trouble.
If you don't drive the thing like it's a race car you won't have to pay as if it was a race car. If 5000RPM clutch drops with slicks and full-throttle power-shifts are in the car's future, upgrade the driveline accordingly. If it's a daily driver and will be driven as such, the stock driveline parts should be fine.
If you don't drive the thing like it's a race car you won't have to pay as if it was a race car. If 5000RPM clutch drops with slicks and full-throttle power-shifts are in the car's future, upgrade the driveline accordingly. If it's a daily driver and will be driven as such, the stock driveline parts should be fine.
twogts4us
15 Year Member
Why did you buy a car with a "stupid number" for power and a transmission that "blows"?
Look dude, speak what you know, you won't win any brownie points here for posing.
TR-3650 certainly does not 'blow'. It does exactly what it was designed to do and it does it well. The 260 HP that the 2V motor produces gives you about 215 at the rear tires. If you wanted a smarter number, you should have dug a little deeper into your wallet and opted for the Mach 1 or Cobra. My guess is that your wallet wouldn't allow that, so now you're trying to play catch-up (literally and figuratively) little by little. If you want the cheapest route, go with nitrous. If you want that power to be available all the time, as stated above, you need some large dollar upgrades. Kinda makes you wish you bought the better car now doesn't it? The Mach 1 market is great right now and you can get 300 RWHP easily. I hit just over 300 (303 to be exact) with underdrive pullies, throttle body, midpipe and catback. That's it. Ahhh the joy of the 4V motor!!!
Look dude, speak what you know, you won't win any brownie points here for posing.
TR-3650 certainly does not 'blow'. It does exactly what it was designed to do and it does it well. The 260 HP that the 2V motor produces gives you about 215 at the rear tires. If you wanted a smarter number, you should have dug a little deeper into your wallet and opted for the Mach 1 or Cobra. My guess is that your wallet wouldn't allow that, so now you're trying to play catch-up (literally and figuratively) little by little. If you want the cheapest route, go with nitrous. If you want that power to be available all the time, as stated above, you need some large dollar upgrades. Kinda makes you wish you bought the better car now doesn't it? The Mach 1 market is great right now and you can get 300 RWHP easily. I hit just over 300 (303 to be exact) with underdrive pullies, throttle body, midpipe and catback. That's it. Ahhh the joy of the 4V motor!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Horsepower is just number. What really counts is how well the car and driver can use it. I regularly beat PI mustangs in my 97, despite being down 45hp. It's because I maintain it carefully and I can wring the most out of it. Learn to do the same in your 02 and you will have more fun. My dad and I went to the track once, he has a stock 06 GT, and I ran my 97. Despite the 85hp difference, he was only running .2s better than me. (I made some passes in the 06 and couldn't make it run faster too)
My 88 only made 306rwhp on the dyno, but it regularly beats cars with 400+hp. Yes, horsepower is just a number and it's not that meaningful.
Why not enjoy the car for what it is, and the power it has? There will always be someone with more power and deeper pockets than you. Maybe you can bring your GT to 300hp, but just remember, it is a WHOLE LOT easier for that LS1 owner to make an extra 40hp compared to you. I think you bought the wrong car. Through history, the mustang rarely has the horsepower advantage on the Camaro, but is generally the better looking car and with a little nicer fit and finish.
My 88 only made 306rwhp on the dyno, but it regularly beats cars with 400+hp. Yes, horsepower is just a number and it's not that meaningful.
Why not enjoy the car for what it is, and the power it has? There will always be someone with more power and deeper pockets than you. Maybe you can bring your GT to 300hp, but just remember, it is a WHOLE LOT easier for that LS1 owner to make an extra 40hp compared to you. I think you bought the wrong car. Through history, the mustang rarely has the horsepower advantage on the Camaro, but is generally the better looking car and with a little nicer fit and finish.
oxfordgt
Member
The stock 3650 is not weak at all. It stood up to my 700rwhp for almost a year and 15,000miles. I sold the tranny to a guy that now has it in his 400rwhp 2v.
If your looking for the cheapest and fastest way to make power then supercharge it. Its easier to make power then free up power with bolt ons. Nitrous is cheap at first but $50 bottle refills adds up fast.
If your looking for the cheapest and fastest way to make power then supercharge it. Its easier to make power then free up power with bolt ons. Nitrous is cheap at first but $50 bottle refills adds up fast.
ChillPhatCat
Dirt-Old 20+Year Member
It does offer more SOTP feel however, even if the driver can't effectively launch it or is bad at shifting.
twogts4us
15 Year Member
Great post Brian,
especially the points I quoted above...but let me add...history is changing in 2011. Long live the (new!) 5.0L!!! (I think you were generous when you said 'rarely'. Was there ever a time where the Mustang had the horsepower advantage?) But going back to the original argument, it IS just a number...you really need to factor other aspects into the total performance equation - especially vehicle weight.I don't follow what you are saying. WHAT offers more SOTP feel?
I'm not sure about the 60s and 70s, but the mustang was ahead in the horsepower wars when the original 5.0 came out, in the mid 80s through the early 90s.
ChillPhatCat
Dirt-Old 20+Year Member
More Horsepower... I quoted your post which was all about horsepower.
More power = more acceleration when you're not burning rubber or shifting poorly. Whether you run a scalding quarter mile time for what you have or not, the car with a better power to weight ratio will give you more SOTP feel. Power does matter in that regard.
You are going to need more than 300 flywheel horse to beat LS1 powered camaros. They have a very nice top end. I would spray a 75 shotYou will gain 75 horse and even more torque.
i have beat them with 263rwhp
Tripoli
Member
My best friend drives a 2002 TransAM WS6, and I've been chasing him for 5 years now. Bone stock, he got 13.2s in the quarter mile. Here's what I had done to my 2002 GT when I finally broke the 13.2 mark:
Long tube headers and off-road exhaust
4.10 gears
Underdrive pulleys
Cold air intake
75mm throttle body and intake plenum
Stage II cams and valve springs
Custom tune
Drag radials
That made 289 RWHP.
I still lost to most LS1 cars I raced, though. Everyone who owns one knows they can get 50 more RWHP with just a cam and a tune. You want to beat one? Do what I finally did: Get a supercharger.
Long tube headers and off-road exhaust
4.10 gears
Underdrive pulleys
Cold air intake
75mm throttle body and intake plenum
Stage II cams and valve springs
Custom tune
Drag radials
That made 289 RWHP.
I still lost to most LS1 cars I raced, though. Everyone who owns one knows they can get 50 more RWHP with just a cam and a tune. You want to beat one? Do what I finally did: Get a supercharger.
It's fun to beat LS1 cars.
This is me eating a Firebird: P1010075.flv video by bhuff66062 - Photobucket
This is me eating a Firebird: P1010075.flv video by bhuff66062 - Photobucket
ChillPhatCat
Dirt-Old 20+Year Member
It's fun to beat LS1 cars.
This is me eating a Firebird: P1010075.flv video by bhuff66062 - Photobucket
That sure looks like an LT1... a fast one, but an LT1 nonetheless.
ChillPhatCat
Dirt-Old 20+Year Member
yea i have to agree thats an LT1, but still faster than my car!
Yeah... mine too.
im making 265HP 301 TQ dynod at MPH in atlanta.. i think that may be close to 300 crank.
Flowmaster Catback
O/R H pipe
Accufab plenum
75mm throttle body
K&N FIPKII intake
DIablo tuner (which sucks, i have SCT now so i may b making more power)
then i added things like GEars, short shifter, HAWK brakes and stuff to make it more fun..all in all.. this things pretty frikin fast man..when i floor it people are always in awe...i mean..maybe im just easy to please but i am VERY happy with my mustangs performance..but maybe thats because i upgraded from a 115 HP jetta..my stang feels like a rocket..and i run mid 13s day and night on a piss poor track.
in about 6 months i'm gonna put some pulleys on her to see what that does. a lot of ppl online say they dont do much but all my friends in person say they made a VERY noticeable gain. ALL my friends said the pulleys made an even bigger difference than a tuner.
Flowmaster Catback
O/R H pipe
Accufab plenum
75mm throttle body
K&N FIPKII intake
DIablo tuner (which sucks, i have SCT now so i may b making more power)
then i added things like GEars, short shifter, HAWK brakes and stuff to make it more fun..all in all.. this things pretty frikin fast man..when i floor it people are always in awe...i mean..maybe im just easy to please but i am VERY happy with my mustangs performance..but maybe thats because i upgraded from a 115 HP jetta..my stang feels like a rocket..and i run mid 13s day and night on a piss poor track.
in about 6 months i'm gonna put some pulleys on her to see what that does. a lot of ppl online say they dont do much but all my friends in person say they made a VERY noticeable gain. ALL my friends said the pulleys made an even bigger difference than a tuner.
