Will this work (T5z)

[Dutch65mustang]

Busy with a T5z swap, but have some questions, read all the T5 topics i could find for info. But still have some things i don't know for sure.

I have a complete T5z with factory Ford bellhousing and clutch fork, factory Ford re-sufaced flywheel (50oz balanced) including spec2 clutch etc..

I have the cross member and the block plate. And a shortened C4 driveshaft

Don't need to make any modifications to the clutch fork etc to make this work i guess ?

I figured i need a late model starter also then because off the flywheel (wich one should i get ?).

Its got a pro50 shifter on it so i would cut the hole in the floor somewhat bigger for it (read it in other threads).

So the question really is, can i just bolt it on my block (early 302 with stroker kit 331) with the flywheel balanced to 28oz and is it right i need a new model starter then ? Other problems i might ran into ? Getting parts here isnt easy so should got everything right the first try so i can swap the tranny in and drive it out of the workshop (and not have it standing still for weeks waiting for that one litle part...).

 

[woodsnake]

You can test fit the starter in the hole of the bell housing with out it being bolted up, can't you? The snout is usually what makes the difference. Although, you may be happier with the more modern PMGR Style starter any way.
Do you have/need a spacer to compensate for the length of the input shaft? (between the bell housing and trans)

http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy01.asp?T1=TRA650526+01&Category=&catkey=Cougar

 

[Dutch65mustang]

No because i will use the late model bellhousing off the T5 and flywheel with clutch. Its complete from a later model. Thats why i'm not sure wich starter to use and if it al bolts to my engine. In my head and logic it must fit. But wanted to know what the experts have to say about this swap !

 

[hsr]

My '65 is a T code. The original starter that was on the six cylinder engine worked just fine on my 6 bolt 289 with a C6ZE-6380-A 28oz flywheel. Later, when I swapped out the 289 for a '85 302, I used the same starter again with a 50oz flywheel from a '93 5.0HO engine. That flywheel is now back on the '93 5.0HO in EFI form in my Mustang.

The transmission behind all three V8's was/is a '89 T5 with a stock bellhousing.

My point here is, the same starter worked in all of these configurations.

I'm currently running a mini starter that came off an early 90's 3.8L V6 Thunderbird on the '93 5.0HO engine and '89 T5 with stock bellhousing.

Have never had a starter issue with any of these combinations.

 

[dbfarr]

My starter for my 68 302 block works just fine with my 96 explorer 302 and 86 mustang t5 w/ 50 oz imbalance. It strikes me that many others have used late model starters on early engines. It's mostly all interchangeable.

The trans mounting never really changed, bolts sizes might be different (diameter). The heads for example, use different diameter bolts on different years when it comes to accessory mounting. Such problems can usually be solved at a good hardware store. All in all, all mounting points remained essentially in the same locations for the over 30 year run the 302 was in use.

So, use just about any starter for a 302 from 67 1/2 to 99, course, truck starters may be different.Though I had one that mated up no problem, came from an f150, didn't work so hot. Although, the truck starter was a junkyard deal. . .

 

[Dutch65mustang]

Thats great, thanks for all the answers very helpfull.

Glad that the starter will fit, do you guys think there will be other problems i might run in to ?

The problem with different size bolts on heads.... had trickflowheads but with bigger threads in them to mount the supercharger and alternator.

Had to make my own bolts... (dont have those size over here).

 

[dbfarr]

Are you using cable or hydraulic clutch, if hydraulic, hyd throwout bearing or push slave?

 

[Dutch65mustang]

I'm not sure about that, its ready for cable now. But thinking about conversion to hydraulic.

 

[Dutch65mustang]

Ok got the transmission !

Had to be shipped by boat, so it took a while !

Still have some little questions.

The flywheel is a 50OZ 157 tooth but i will need a 28OZ for my car, i want to run the spec 2 clutch wich was with the transmission.

So i need a 28OZ wich i can mount the newer style clutch on.

Is this the right one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BILL...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

And can i re use the original bolts from my flexplate to mount the flywheel or do i need other bolts ?

Want to have everything complete before swapping the tranny's

 

[Dutch65mustang]

Anybody knows ? Then i can order the last parts and begin with the conversion

 

[woodsnake]

Yes, that looks like it will do fine. As you have a 28 oz imbalance early block, that is the fly wheel you need. It should be a fun car!

 

[Dutch65mustang]

Thank you for the answer !

But i read somewhere that its also possible to rebalance the flywheel ? I now have a new resurfaced flywheel with 50OZ balance for a 10,5 inc clutch !

Shipping a flywheel is expensive, so if rebalance is possible that would also be an option.

But how much is 50 oz, if i calculate it its 1,417 Kilogram but that seems much to me ?

Problem is over here they don't use OZ but grams...

 

[woodsnake]

I will try and explain this to my ability, with out feeding you wrong information.

The small block Ford is balanced externally. When folks reference the early or late (28. oz VS 50 Oz imbalance) it isn't in reference to the actual weight of the balancer. It's more of an ounce/inch measurement. From the center of the crankshaft to the balancer.

The most important thing here is that your engine has components that are balanced to each other. I.E., crankshaft, balancer and flywheel. Mixing and matching is what will kill the engine rather soon.

On my 68, it is a 289, and so it was balanced to the 28 oz imbalance. When I installed my T5 from a 95 mustang, it came with he 50. oz imbalance flywheel. It was a noticeable vibration. I bought a new 28 oz flywheel, and the car runs much better now!

I can't answer the question of "what is the difference by weight, between a 28 and 50 oz imbalance flywheel".

There is a lot of free info (like mine!) on the web. I don't know what shipping costs for a new flywheel, but how much is the machine work and labor cost to remove and install twice, if you don't get it right?

 

[Dutch65mustang]

Thank you for the answer, its al clear now !

Bought a new billet flywheel for my engine ! Dont want to ruin the engine with an improper balanced flywheel.

Cost enough already, hopefully its the last for the engine now

 

[woodsnake]

Post up some video when you get it back on the road!!-)