***NEED HELP WITH MY ENGINE PACKAGE!!!***

Salvatore007

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Hello to all! I am currently serving with the US Coast Guard, and ive recently decided to restore my 1st vehicle i parked before i enlisted, a 1989 Mustang GT convertible 5 speed. I have little time to research, so I figured I would ask you all!

-Does anybody agree with this setup?
-Will this engine fit into my stock brackets? (A tech from JEGS.com said it would, but i would like a 2nd opinion.)

I basically want to have EVERYTHING shipped to my house, to the point where a few friends and myself can put this all together, and minimize stopping time to order parts because we left something out. Your opinions and responses are greatly appreciated! (PLEASE, serious responses only.)


*********WHAT AM I MISSING TO GET IT GOING?!?!?!?!!********



engine - http://www.jegs.com/i/Patriot+Perfor.../3472/10002/-1 <http://www.jegs.com/i/Patriot+Performance/723/3472/10002/-1>

tranny - Steeda 1352000251 Tremec 5-Speed T5 Transmission

fuel pump and regulator kit - JEGS 100804 JEGS Fuel Pump & Regulator Install Kit <http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/100804/10002/-1>

inlet fuel line to carb kit hose - Russell 641090 Russell Dual Inlet Fuel Line Kits <http://www.jegs.com/i/Russell/799/641090/10002/-1>

carburetor - Quick Fuel HR-750 Quick Fuel Hot Rod Aluminum Carburetors <http://www.jegs.com/i/Quick+Fuel/793/HR-750/10002/-1>

ignition box - MSD Ignition 6200 MSD 6-Series Ignition Box <http://www.jegs.com/i/MSD+Ignition/121/6200/10002/-1>

spark plugs - http://www.jegs.com/i/NGK-Spark-Plug...oductId=753645 <http://www.jegs.com/i/NGK-Spark-Plugs/739/R5671A-9/%5BLjava.lang.String%3B%403c296901/-1?parentProductId=753645>

ram mustang clutch kit - Ram Clutches 98794HD RAM Mustang Clutches <http://www.jegs.com/i/Ram+Clutches/798/98794HD/10002/-1>

flywheel - Hays 12-535 Hays Performance Flywheels <http://www.jegs.com/i/Hays/490/12-535/10002/-1>
 
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First off Welcome to Stangnet. Thanks for your service to the country. Without people like you people like me couldn't enjoy the freedoms we have today.

Someone with more knowledge then me will chime in to answer your questions.
 
Motor will bolt up fine but personally i would look into fordstrokers.com . You can do a search on this forum and see what others have said about them. I think you might be a little better off than the motor you were looking at. You will probably want some injectors and a new intake as well.
Semper P
 
Like BPA said, that engine should bolt right up. But give Ford Strokers a look and I must ask, what are your plans down the road for the engine? Boost? Nitrous? Or keeping it naturally aspirated? Also, have you considered doing fuel injection? Carbs are great, but since the car is already equipped with EFI, I'd keep injection on the table. A strong 347 with a properly tuned MAF and some big injectors has a lot of potential. And the stock computer can do pretty well, though you can have a chip burned or even tune it yourself with a Moates Quarterhorse.

As for the rest of the components,

Clutch and Flywheel look good.
Transmission, I'd be concerned about the life of it. That T-5, unless I'm mistaken, has a maximum rated torque capacity of 300 ft/lbs. If you go with that motor (or a 347 from Ford Strokers, or somewhere else), peak torque will be nearly 400 ft/lbs, if not more, which would really shorten the life of that transmission. You can get a T-5 trans that's rated for more torque, but at that point, I'd look at something like a TKO-500 (500 ft/lb capacity) to start, because that can handle the engine torque, plus most mods you'd put through it (boost/nitrous). If you are thinking really big power, go for a TKO-600 (600 ft/lb capacity).

If you wanna stick with a carb, that fuel system is good.

Hope this helps. And thanks for your service. :flag:
 
Thank YOU

:flag: I appreciate your comments and salutes. :hail2: After i drop in the engine package, im not too concerned with more horsepower past that, as of right now. I will look to see if I can find a more suitable tranny.

-Would the clutches and flywheel i order (which are rated for higher torque) be enough to fix that problem? Or does the tranny as a whole get punished when your over the torque limit?

-Is my stock rear axle capable of handling 425hp?

-I see that the personalized quality on fordstrokers.com is better advertised. If I still stuck with the Patriot Performance crate ($5,295) am i overpaying for mediocre quality?

-I have considered fuel injection, but I'd rather see an all brand new carb/fuel system, and if i spend the money to replace the EFI, i'd rather convert it. Suggested injectors? :shrug:
 
-Would the clutches and flywheel i order (which are rated for higher torque) be enough to fix that problem? Or does the tranny as a whole get punished when your over the torque limit? Both, depends on your foot. Many people go fast with a T5 but a few bad 3rd shifts could mess things up. I expect to be in that HP range, I will let you know when mine breaks :D.

-Is my stock rear axle capable of handling 425hp? Oh yea! 8.8's are good rears, a set of gears, trac-lok rebuild or auburn unit, LCA's and a anti-roll bar and you are good to go, for more torque, a 31 spline unit and axles will help.

-I see that the personalized quality on fordstrokers.com is better advertised. If I still stuck with the Patriot Performance crate ($5,295) am i overpaying for mediocre quality? I don't know about that one??? These guys like em but I have no experiance: Patriot Performance 347 SBF - Modified Mustangs & Fords

-I have considered fuel injection, but I'd rather see an all brand new carb/fuel system, and if i spend the money to replace the EFI, i'd rather convert it. Suggested injectors? :shrug: Can't help with the EFI either, I'm a carb man. Can't wait to see what the project looks like when you get started!
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Salvatore007,

The clutch and flywheel ratings are for the individual components themselves and they should provide more than enough holding power for that application.

Transmission wise, personally, I like to bang gears. If you granny shift it, that particular T-5 would probably last longer. But with that kind of power, who wants to do that? I'd tell you to get something with enough beef to cover the torque. Otherwise it can be an expensive headache, you know?

And like SScott said, the 8.8" is pretty strong. I would think it'd be good for a while, but down the road, you may want to do 31 splines and a corresponding diff. If you're running stock stuff, 28 splines work pretty well, but they were bulletproof for applications under 300 horsepower.

As for FordStrokers v.s. Patriot, I've never purchased an engine from either. I've heard great things about FordStrokers though, I must say. It's up to you. I think either one will give you a quality engine.

I understand wanting to go carb, but you could keep the EFI with your stock computer, go with a set of 24 or even 30 lb injectors, get a corresponding mass airflow sensor, larger fuel pump, and go from there. You can have chips burned by tuners after some time on the dyno (or tune it yourself with a Moates Quarterhorse), or you can go carb. I've seen both on that engine size. I just like EFI, but there's nothing wrong with a 4 barrel on top of a 347.

It's your call man, it's your car. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
 
:flag: SCOTT AND BIGMACK THANK YOU AGAIN! I'm definitely going to uprgrade that tranny. I dont want to be cheap and screw around with it! I'm glad i can start with my rear axle and save a few bucks. Chi-town, i see what your saying with the tranny, and with power like that, i'm not riding this thing like a 70 yr old! haha.......now that im looking at the EFI, I'm now leaning more towards that, thanks to several opinions. It's going to cost me alot more than i thought just to convert it.......and for what? I already have the EFI so f**k it! Thanks for the convincing.

"24 or even 30 lb injectors, get a corresponding mass airflow sensor, larger fuel pump, and go from there. You can have chips burned by tuners after some time on the dyno"

SUGGEST A SETUP FOR ME PLEASE? I AM PRETTY CLUELESS to any engine tech, which is why im on this forum haha, i appreciate your patience greatly. :hail2:

I will definitely have the pics up on here of my progress. Can't wait!!!!! :flag:
 
Sal, I'll try to give you the best info I can. I'll be upgrading my EFI system this summer, but I've tried to read up and learn a little bit about it all in the mean time. I'm no expert, (but there are some definite EFI experts around the forums here, hopefully they chime in) but I think I know how this stuff works, in a basic sense. In addition to what you read here, I'd get some opinions from guys at Ford Fuel Injection and S B F T E C H .com too. Just start a thread and see what they say.

Now, as for my amateur recommendations: You'll need an EFI intake (upper plenum and lower intake), a big throttle body (75mm probably), a good set of fuel rails (you may want to re-use your stockers already on the car, I think this is okay up to like a 30lb injector), a higher flow fuel pump (190 lph or even 255 lph, in tank), a Mass Air Flow Sensor (they come in various sizes, but I think anything from a 73mm to an 80 mm would be a good fit. Anything larger than 80mm and you start to lose velocity in the intake stream, which unless you're boosted, loses power rather than gains it.) calibrated for your particular injectors, a set of injectors (your choice, plenty of Mustang parts dealers have different sizes available that will hook up to the OEM connectors), and you could take it to a dyno and have it tuned (they can burn chips to plug into your computer to hold the tune, based on the gas you want to run, etc. This is like $400 minimum, last time I checked) or tune it yourself with a Moates Quarterhorse (Welcome to www.moates.net! : Moates.Net) or a TwEECer (The TwEECer -- EEC-IV user programmable module).

According to what I've read about injector sizing, you have to watch the duty cycle (it's a calculation of how hard you're running your injectors. If you go to this website: * * Automotive Programs by Bowling & Grippo * * , and scroll down to "Fuel Injector Sizing Program" you can see what I'm talking about). If you go over an 85% (roughly), you risk causing problems for your injectors, as they have to push too much fuel and can become unseated/internally broken. Fuel spraying, fires, etc. Not fun stuff.

Now, from what I've read, 24 lb injectors can run a maximum of 390 horsepower out of a V8, while stepping up to a 30 lb would get you closer to 490. That's balls out power, highest "safe" duty cycle, and slamming in as much air as possible at WOT. I think a set of 30's and a calibrated 76mm MAF would be a good set up for you. Running the numbers, I'm getting about a 57.5% duty cycle, which is pretty safe. Fuel pressure is also in the equation too, but most of these injectors are rated at 39-40 psi. I wouldn't go much past that (and you shouldn't have to, with bigger injectors you flow more with less resistance. The harder you push your stock 19 pounders, you run into problems. Don't just turn up the fuel pressure on your stockers (if you were gonna use them), trust me. They can work for a while, but if they become unseated.....nobody likes to clean up spilled gasoline. It's dangerous anyways.).

Don't go out and buy this stuff just because I told you to! This is merely a suggestion. I hope someone else posts in there that has experience and can tell me if I'm right or wrong about what I'm saying. If possible too, I'd find a tuner/dyno shop in your area and give them a call and ask what they can do for you. I'm no pro (still in college), but I hope that this helps you a little. Check out those other sites too. They've helped me a ton.

Again, seriously, shop around and learn what you can about this stuff before buying.
 
UPDATE!

Alrighty, after much inquiring and learning, i look back on my posts and laugh at how ignorant i was 2 months ago! But i guess thats all a part of pickin up this hobby! I ordered an engine, which is to be built by mid september. I ordered from proformanceunlimited.com, whom built engines for 2 of my friends and they came out looking/sounding great, and most of all, lasting through street/strip beatings. Their shop is only 45 min from me as well, and they encourage visitors during builds and such.

I bought a TKO500 tranny, RAM clutches, 157 toothed 28lb flywheel, Ram hood, SR black gloss wheels and lugs, OEM foglights, spyder headlights, and spyder smoked eurostyle tailights which look nice.


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On this package, i upgraded the MAF (but i did not list the specs for that)

347 stroker turnkey engine package with 425HP.
Total engine price $7,450

· Seasoned 6 Bolt 302 Block

· Bored And Honed With Deck Plate

· Mains Have Been Align Honed

· Block Has Been Decked

· Dura Bond Cam Bearings Installed

· Brass Freeze Plug And Oil Galley Kit Installed

· Block Painted With 3 Coats Of High Temp Ceramic Engine Paint Customers Choice Of Color, CHOSE BLACK

· Eagle Cast Steel Stroker Crankshaft

· Eagle I-Beam Bushed Connecting Rods With ARP Hardened Rod Bolts

· Speed-Pro or Keith Black Hypereutectic Coated Skit Pistons

· Clevite P Series Rod And Main Bearing

· The complete rotating assembly will be balanced

· Hastings Performance Rings Hand Filed To Match Application

· Custom Ground Hydraulic Roller High Performance Street Camshaft With A Muscle Car Chop

· (16) Roller lifters

· A Set Of (8) Lifter Guides

· A Ford Racing Roller Lifter Retainer Tray

· Three Piece True Double Roller Timing Chain Set

· Dart Performance Pro One Aluminum Cylinder Heads 62cc With 170cc Intake Runners

· (8) Stainless Steel 1.94 Intake Valves

· (8) Stainless Steel 1.60 Exhaust Valves

· (16) High Performance Valve Springs And Retainers (To Match Camshaft)

· 7/16 Screw In Studs And Hardened Guide Plates

· (16) 1.6 Ratio True Aluminum Roller Rockers

· (16) Chrome moly push rods

· Melling High Volume Oil Pump

· Melling Oil Pick Up

· Double Sump Oil Pan And Dip Stick

· New Aluminum Timing Cover With Scale

· Engine Will Be Assembled With All New Bolts

· Fel-Pro performance gaskets

· Edelbrock Victor EFI intake manifold

· Edelbrock Victor EFI upper Plenum

· 90º Chrome thermostat housing to match intake

· Edelbrock 75mm throttle body

· Edelbrock 75mm throttle body spacer

· Vortex fuel rail

· Mass-Flow EFI 30 lbs. performance fuel injectors to match application

· Pro-M Racing 75mm Bullet Mass Air Flow Meter

· MSD Pro-Billet distributor

· MSD Blaster II coil

· MSD coil bracket

· (8) AC Delco spark plugs

· A set of custom fit Taylor 8mm ignition wires, CHOSE BLACK

· Hi-flow water pump

· Chrome valve covers with baffles

· Professional Products performance balancer

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I still need a bellhousing, drive shaft, starter, and 31 spline yoke, but I am having alot of trouble trying to find a driveshaft and yoke combo with 1330 U-joints, if someone can help me with that.........

Im pretty excited about the news, so I figured I'd atleast update this post, and most of all thank the contributors for kick starting my hobby knowledge! :flag:
 
A suggestion if I may make one. If it were my engine I would get them to install forged pistons instead of hypereutectic pistons. That away if you ever want to spray or boost it you can (although you get into strength issues with the block at that point anyway).
 
Very good advice ^, I would also go with Fel-Pro MLS head gaskets. I have seen many blocks split in half. A girdle is a nice addition even though many think they don't help much. I view it as added insurance and it makes me feel better =)
 
MLS head gaskets are not needed and not worth the expense for the set-up I think he is looking for...

What is the primary use of the car? Will it have to pass emissions testing? What are your future plans or horsepower goals. Did you discuss those aspects with your engine builder? It all starts there, then we can all give opinions on a quality set-up....

Those are the first questions I ask....
 
Mainly a weekend type car on the street, with few/occasional trips to the track. I have Florida plates on my cars so I dont have to worry too much about passing inspections here in Jersey, where I'm at now. I told the engine builder that I didnt want to get too crazy with the horsepower. 425ish is good for me, and I think all of my remodeling will turn out nice. I was looking for something above 350hp, so this sounded like a good package. I appreciate your responses and most definitely value your opinions, I THANK YOU! :flag:
 
Alrighty, after much inquiring and learning, i look back on my posts and laugh at how ignorant i was 2 months ago! But i guess thats all a part of pickin up this hobby! I ordered an engine, which is to be built by mid september. I ordered from proformanceunlimited.com, whom built engines for 2 of my friends and they came out looking/sounding great, and most of all, lasting through street/strip beatings. Their shop is only 45 min from me as well, and they encourage visitors during builds and such.

I bought a TKO500 tranny, RAM clutches, 157 toothed 28lb flywheel, Ram hood, SR black gloss wheels and lugs, OEM foglights, spyder headlights, and spyder smoked eurostyle tailights which look nice.


=======================================================
On this package, i upgraded the MAF (but i did not list the specs for that)

347 stroker turnkey engine package with 425HP.
Total engine price $7,450

· Seasoned 6 Bolt 302 Block

· Bored And Honed With Deck Plate

· Mains Have Been Align Honed

· Block Has Been Decked

· Dura Bond Cam Bearings Installed

· Brass Freeze Plug And Oil Galley Kit Installed

· Block Painted With 3 Coats Of High Temp Ceramic Engine Paint Customers Choice Of Color, CHOSE BLACK

· Eagle Cast Steel Stroker Crankshaft

· Eagle I-Beam Bushed Connecting Rods With ARP Hardened Rod Bolts

· Speed-Pro or Keith Black Hypereutectic Coated Skit Pistons

· Clevite P Series Rod And Main Bearing

· The complete rotating assembly will be balanced

· Hastings Performance Rings Hand Filed To Match Application

· Custom Ground Hydraulic Roller High Performance Street Camshaft With A Muscle Car Chop
· (16) Roller lifters

· A Set Of (8) Lifter Guides

· A Ford Racing Roller Lifter Retainer Tray

· Three Piece True Double Roller Timing Chain Set

· Dart Performance Pro One Aluminum Cylinder Heads 62cc With 170cc Intake Runners

· (8) Stainless Steel 1.94 Intake Valves

· (8) Stainless Steel 1.60 Exhaust Valves


· (16) High Performance Valve Springs And Retainers (To Match Camshaft)

· 7/16 Screw In Studs And Hardened Guide Plates

· (16) 1.6 Ratio True Aluminum Roller Rockers

· (16) Chrome moly push rods

· Melling High Volume Oil Pump

· Melling Oil Pick Up

· Double Sump Oil Pan And Dip Stick

· New Aluminum Timing Cover With Scale

· Engine Will Be Assembled With All New Bolts ·

Fel-Pro performance gaskets

· Edelbrock Victor EFI intake manifold

· Edelbrock Victor EFI upper Plenum

· 90º Chrome thermostat housing to match intake

· Edelbrock 75mm throttle body

· Edelbrock 75mm throttle body spacer

· Vortex fuel rail

· Mass-Flow EFI 30 lbs. performance fuel injectors to match application

· Pro-M Racing 75mm Bullet Mass Air Flow Meter

· MSD Pro-Billet distributor

· MSD Blaster II coil

· MSD coil bracket

· (8) AC Delco spark plugs

· A set of custom fit Taylor 8mm ignition wires, CHOSE BLACK

· Hi-flow water pump

· Chrome valve covers with baffles

· Professional Products performance balancer

========================================================

I still need a bellhousing, drive shaft, starter, and 31 spline yoke, but I am having alot of trouble trying to find a driveshaft and yoke combo with 1330 U-joints, if someone can help me with that.........

Im pretty excited about the news, so I figured I'd atleast update this post, and most of all thank the contributors for kick starting my hobby knowledge! :flag:


cam specs? can you upgrade the heads to the larger valves? ARP bolts?