I'm looking at a Ford SVT supercharger for 96-04 but i'm not to sure of these as far as performance. So i'm wondering what these are good for as far as boost and durability. currently i'm running a powerdyne w/an 11 lb pulley but i'm at it's limits and i was told to look for something better like Pro charger but i came across this ford supercharger an was just wondering about it.
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it is a roost type built into the intake manifold.
i don't have a link but i will try to get a picture.
trinity_gt
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I don't think that'll compare to a Powerdyne at 11psi. If it's the part I'm thinking of it's only rated for 6-psi and a 55-horsepower increase and isn't intercooled. FRPP used to advertise a kit like you're talking about. In my 2003 FRPP catalog, I see the following:
Supercharger:
M-6066-M462 - 96-98 (S/C only, needs installation kit)
M-6066-M463 - 96-98 w/PI heads or 99-up "with correct installation kit (under development)"
Installation Kit:
M-9066-M461 - 96-97 with M/T
M-9066-M462 - 96-97 with A/T
M-9066-M463 - 98 with M/T
I don't think FRPP ever got around to making the 99+/PI-head kit (could be wrong...)
Supercharger:
M-6066-M462 - 96-98 (S/C only, needs installation kit)
M-6066-M463 - 96-98 w/PI heads or 99-up "with correct installation kit (under development)"
Installation Kit:
M-9066-M461 - 96-97 with M/T
M-9066-M462 - 96-97 with A/T
M-9066-M463 - 98 with M/T
I don't think FRPP ever got around to making the 99+/PI-head kit (could be wrong...)
YEP! Thats it! I realy havent heard much about this suppercharger excep 1 guy at a local car show trying to tell me that his ford supercharger (same as you had pictured) made him 150 rwhp w/a pulley change. it did not sound right to me but i know nothing about these chargers. what you have posted is perfect because i do have the PI upgrade on my 98 and it does not sound like it would fit anyway so i think you just answered all my questions.
thanks!
thanks!
I have seen a couple of these blowers over the years and I got curious and did some research. I thought for a long time they were eaton m90's, turns out I was wrong. They aren't 90's they are 112's, and they aren't eatons either, they're magnuson. And they aren't intercooled. Ford commissioned Magnuson to design an integrated intake/roots supercharger assembly for FRPP and let them develop it independently. Turns out Ford was pretty disappointed with the specs on this unit and so they didn't release a lot of information on them....but they packaged and sold them anyway.
The unit is based off the basic eaton m90 design with lengthened rotors to give it a total dispacement of 112CID, but that's also the problem. Magnuson lengthened the rotors but didn't beef them up at all. The original eaton m90 was limited to around 15,000 rpm to prevent rotor flex and subsequent shearing. This magnuson blower was limited to a paltry 12,000 due to increased rotor length. What all that means is that the base Eaton m90 is rated to flow more air than the Magnuson 112 that was used in the Ford SVT kit.
Eaton came out with their own 112 a couple of years later just in time for the Lightning (Ford had a lot more input into the design of this kit as it was OEM) and further improved it when the Cobra was released. It was a tremendous improvement in durability and rpm capability (rated for 15,000 rpm and sometimes spun well over 18,000). Best of all, it had intercooling as well.
Bottom line is that the SVT roots blower, barring a crap electric supercharger, is considered by far to be the most limiting blower power-wise you could install on a 4.6 engine, even compared to a powerdyne or a vortec A-trim (it will make more torque but less power). With a set of good ported heads and cams and free flowing exhaust, you will quickly exceed the capability of this blower. 375rwhp, maybe 400rwhp and this blower is done in.
For the money you would pay to install it, I would look at a trick flow head swap, or some other supercharger platform if you want positive displacement grunt.
The unit is based off the basic eaton m90 design with lengthened rotors to give it a total dispacement of 112CID, but that's also the problem. Magnuson lengthened the rotors but didn't beef them up at all. The original eaton m90 was limited to around 15,000 rpm to prevent rotor flex and subsequent shearing. This magnuson blower was limited to a paltry 12,000 due to increased rotor length. What all that means is that the base Eaton m90 is rated to flow more air than the Magnuson 112 that was used in the Ford SVT kit.
Eaton came out with their own 112 a couple of years later just in time for the Lightning (Ford had a lot more input into the design of this kit as it was OEM) and further improved it when the Cobra was released. It was a tremendous improvement in durability and rpm capability (rated for 15,000 rpm and sometimes spun well over 18,000). Best of all, it had intercooling as well.
Bottom line is that the SVT roots blower, barring a crap electric supercharger, is considered by far to be the most limiting blower power-wise you could install on a 4.6 engine, even compared to a powerdyne or a vortec A-trim (it will make more torque but less power). With a set of good ported heads and cams and free flowing exhaust, you will quickly exceed the capability of this blower. 375rwhp, maybe 400rwhp and this blower is done in.
For the money you would pay to install it, I would look at a trick flow head swap, or some other supercharger platform if you want positive displacement grunt.
BLK_ROUSH
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+1 from an owner .... although I don't think I've ever seen literature that stated it was an SVT product. SVO and FRPP were listed along with some testing by ROUSH.
WOW! I guess you did your homework. thanks for the info it was very valuable and informative. THANKS.
Don't be put off by the haters. Although Ford only rated them at 55hp over stock,.....with some pulley work, water methanol injection to cool the charge and suporting intake and exhaust components on your car, these things will put out some very decent power.
I know of about half a dozen guys over at TCCoA | TCCoA running them on their 3,700lb+ T-Birds/Cougar XR7's that run deep, deep into the 11's with them.
I know of about half a dozen guys over at TCCoA | TCCoA running them on their 3,700lb+ T-Birds/Cougar XR7's that run deep, deep into the 11's with them.
You're right, it's not SVT, it is SVO. All the acronyms just kind of mix together in my head sometimes and come out wrong. Nice catch.
Better is a subjective term. If making big dyno number is all you're after, then neither the Powerdyne, nor the FRPP unit is going to impress you.
Also consider you're comparing two different blowers. One that is a centrifugal and the other is a Positive Displacement. Both have completely different power characteristics.
The powerdyne is RPM dependant and will built power in the mid to upper ranges. Since these units can't be spun very hard without the internal belt drive grenading, the power rewards are minimal.
The FRPP/SVO/Roush M112 unit on the other hand is not RPM dependant. Power comes on nearly immediately and torque is plentiful. The down side to the unit is that without the aid of an intercooler, you're limited to the RPM at which the blower can be spun, because of elevated ACT's it would create. If you're not opposed to spraying water methanol into the intake, then power and torque levels can be much, much more rewarding than Fords stock 55hp output rating.
Like I said....big dyno numbers are one thing, but I've seen 400rwhp cars not be able to break out of the 13's. And as I said, I've seen numerous 4.6L powered, automatic equipped TBirds/Cougars, displacing considerably more vehicle weight than your Mustang run well into the 11's with this set up.
You could spend the money on the Procharger if you wish, but unless you're going to pony up the bucks for the DISC unit, you're not likely to go any faster than you would with the FRPP unit. And the Procharger is going to cost you twice as much!
sneaky98gt
10 Year Member
As an owner of this blower, here's what I have to say about it.
If you are wanting big numbers, then this blower is probably not for you. The fact that it is non-intercooled just limits it so much. I guess you could go methanol injection or even nitrous on top of the blower, but unless it was a big shot (which almost eliminates the purpose of the blower in the first place, making it a waste of money), you still probably won't get out of the mid 400s (this is with cams and/or heads + a lot of boost + meth). This blower just wasn't designed to do that.
If you are looking for a fun, reliable car to drive, and don't want to spend a fortune on a positive displacement blower, then this is for you. I paid less than $2000 total for mine, and am getting all that low end torque that the centrifugal blower doesn't give you. Come to think of it, I think this blower is the only way us NPI guys can have a positive displacement supercharger; Kenne Bell and Tork Tech have kinda left us hanging. And the advertised 55 hp?
I doubt mine made much over 200 rwhp before the blower, and I'm making 325 on 6-7psi (stock pulley), PI cams, and simple bolt ons through the ah-toe. The car is a blast to drive, even though it (currently) only runs 13.0s.
Bottom line: If you want a FAST car, then look elsewhere. If you want a FUN car, then this blower certainly makes a decent candidate.
If you are wanting big numbers, then this blower is probably not for you. The fact that it is non-intercooled just limits it so much. I guess you could go methanol injection or even nitrous on top of the blower, but unless it was a big shot (which almost eliminates the purpose of the blower in the first place, making it a waste of money), you still probably won't get out of the mid 400s (this is with cams and/or heads + a lot of boost + meth). This blower just wasn't designed to do that.
If you are looking for a fun, reliable car to drive, and don't want to spend a fortune on a positive displacement blower, then this is for you. I paid less than $2000 total for mine, and am getting all that low end torque that the centrifugal blower doesn't give you. Come to think of it, I think this blower is the only way us NPI guys can have a positive displacement supercharger; Kenne Bell and Tork Tech have kinda left us hanging. And the advertised 55 hp?
I doubt mine made much over 200 rwhp before the blower, and I'm making 325 on 6-7psi (stock pulley), PI cams, and simple bolt ons through the ah-toe. The car is a blast to drive, even though it (currently) only runs 13.0s. Bottom line: If you want a FAST car, then look elsewhere. If you want a FUN car, then this blower certainly makes a decent candidate.
As an owner of this blower, here's what I have to say about it.
If you are wanting big numbers, then this blower is probably not for you. The fact that it is non-intercooled just limits it so much. I guess you could go methanol injection or even nitrous on top of the blower, but unless it was a big shot (which almost eliminates the purpose of the blower in the first place, making it a waste of money), you still probably won't get out of the mid 400s (this is with cams and/or heads + a lot of boost + meth). This blower just wasn't designed to do that.
If you are looking for a fun, reliable car to drive, and don't want to spend a fortune on a positive displacement blower, then this is for you. I paid less than $2000 total for mine, and am getting all that low end torque that the centrifugal blower doesn't give you. Come to think of it, I think this blower is the only way us NPI guys can have a positive displacement supercharger; Kenne Bell and Tork Tech have kinda left us hanging. And the advertised 55 hp?
Bottom line: If you want a FAST car, then look elsewhere. If you want a FUN car, then this blower certainly makes a decent candidate.
i just noticed your #'s how can you be making 325hp on your aode with just 7lbs of boost & PI cams??? you are right your car stock was probobly 180-190 rwhp i would guess that you'd be making somewhere in the mid 200's for hp.
PI cams are probobly going to give you 15-20 hp max and your charger maybe we'll say 75hp an aode looses more hp than a stick thru the drivetrain
i believe that the rating for most blowers are based on a manual trans due to they make more power( without having a aod race preped trans). I could be wrong I'm still learning. with my own car I have the complete PI swap w/thumper cams and running an 11lb pulley and the compression is very high and with a bunch of timing taken out and 8 degrees out of the cams my car is tuned at 300hp & 310tq if i add a meth kit I would be running 330hp. I was also told and I already knew that i will be needing a built bottom end if I was to get to the 400hp mark. what else are you running to get those #'s?
i just noticed your #'s how can you be making 325hp on your aode with just 7lbs of boost & PI cams??? you are right your car stock was probobly 180-190 rwhp i would guess that you'd be making somewhere in the mid 200's for hp.
PI cams are probobly going to give you 15-20 hp max and your charger maybe we'll say 75hp an aode looses more hp than a stick thru the drivetrain
i believe that the rating for most blowers are based on a manual trans due to they make more power( without having a aod race preped trans). I could be wrong I'm still learning. with my own car I have the complete PI swap w/thumper cams and running an 11lb pulley and the compression is very high and with a bunch of timing taken out and 8 degrees out of the cams my car is tuned at 300hp & 310tq if i add a meth kit I would be running 330hp. I was also told and I already knew that i will be needing a built bottom end if I was to get to the 400hp mark. what else are you running to get those #'s?
Quite frankly, the M112 moves more air than your Powerdyne at all levels.
And although he nas NPI heads, its the stock NPI cams and stock NPI intake that are the real road block with the '96-'98 Cars. He's only giving up 15-20hp with the NPI head castings at that power level.
The drivetrain loss's between the T45 and the 4R70W are probably only 3-4% with a solid axle rear end. And with all that additional airflow down low, his power levels are still easily able to trump your Powerdyne's. Sucks, but that's just how it is.
I know this is probobly a pretty dumb question but if i lose the supercharger and just run the pi swap with my cams would i be able to put more timing in and still be able to run 300hp @the wheels? i feel like i have this pos charger and it's realy not doing anything now that i went pi and changed the compression. when the car was stock this charger added 65hp w/6lbs of boost when i changed the pulley i noticed a pretty big difference then but i should have way more power than i have now after the work i just had done. has anyone heard of running 300hp+ w/pi swap and cams.? am i having this issue because of the added compression from the charger?
where can we buy one of the SVO superchargers for the 96-98 4.6 mustang? I want one for my daily driver...seems like a good price
Better keep your eye out for a used one. They don't make them anymore. A Tork Tech kit is about as close as you'll get to one if you're in the market for a new charger with an 112ci Eaton variation on it.
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