s/c

[TacBear]

I spent about $2500 on my set up:
Vortech V2 SQ NON-Intercooled
Morpheus Power Pipe
SVT Focus Fuel Pump
Lightning 90mm MAF
42# Injectors
NGK Plugs
Stratmosphere Porsche Diverter
Tuned by Doug from BAMA TUNING (very conservative)
381.5rwhp/377 rwtq



I have run 12.50@110 spinning through 1st.It should go low 12's with my new rear suspension, but it is actually built to open track.

 

[wmburns]

I looked for 2 seconds, here's a vortech kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VORT...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item255c1ec50e

Looks like apples to oranges to me. The ebay link does not have an intercooler. Can you really compare one product with an intercooler to one without?

My real point was to do your home work. Understand what you want and what is being purchased. Understand how some of the little things tend to add up. Be careful comparing product strickly on price.

My 2nd point was that the differences are not as cut and dried as might first appear and they may not be as large as 1st thought.

It is generally accepted that KB is proud of their kits. But the engineering of the complete kit is really what is being purchased. Quality normally does have a higher price.

If this series of post gets one person to do more thinking/planning/research than they might have otherwise done, then it's a good day.



However, for the sake of the internet peace, hotstang_46/bakos24 will declare you the winners. Based on price, in general, a Centri is probably some what cheaper. But go back to the OP's goals. Price was NOT 1st on the list.

:Teh-Win:

 

[302fordracer]

Lol, it's 9:45 and I still haven't had dinner yet so I will respond better later, but I just want to say cost isn't so much my worry as stress on the motor, that is why I poised the question of this being done N/A. Of course cost is a concern, but I went into this thread knowing that a blower setup would cost me $5K+. I don't want a freakishly powerful car that is built for the track, just a sunny day nice car that doesn't have too much competition (I said TOO much, I know there are always faster cars) on the street. (disclaimer, I keep the speed at the track, I am an adult, I have my driving experience and a family to consider. Not to mention a clean driving record which I cleaned up after years of being a good boy )

 

[hotstang_46]

well in that case, 5k isn't exactly a shoe string budget and you obviously have choices.

If you are worried about the block the best insurance you can buy is the meth kit.

FYI, I still have the stock block (why fix what ain't broke right?) and I'm making over 460rwhp. Though I must say I have an extrememly capable tuner. Which is the other main main issue in block safety. Some will say "it's all in the tune" and there's alot of truth in that. Make sure you go with someone who's rep is second to none in your area.

 

[wmburns]

If you are worried about the block the best insurance you can buy is the meth kit.

Another option is to stay within the limits of the engine combination being used. Don't push the envelope so hard.

In addition, keep up with maintenance. Don't let it PING. Don't ignore it when it suddenly begins to run poorly. Don't push it when it is running poorly.

With regards to a stock block, there is a huge difference between 350, 400, 450, or 500 HP with regards to how well a stock block can hold up. There will always be someone that is pushing the envelope harder than everyone else. But in general terms, the air gets rapidly thinner the higher you go.

For an adult that just wants to street drive the car, consider making more modest goals. Concentrate on modifications that don't compromise drivability.

Yes I know it is not as exciting. But which is better? Driving a good fast car for a long time or driving a faster car for shorter time mixed in with motor rebuilds? IMO, the best option is an individual choice.

 

[3ponyshow]

Mongoose kit...

Contact Tim at Mr. Norm's Garage | Welcome and have him send you some literature / pricing info about the mongoose kits.

Unfortunately Modular Powerhouse has merged with Mr Norms but Tim is working on getting the Mustang stuff on the site and is still offering his kits.

I would have to agree. Even though I stopped working with Tim years ago, I've never seen anyone produce a kit like the mongoose and it is my understanding that he will continue selling it at the new shop. It is truly the only complete base setup I've personally ever seen. The Vortech being the cheapest which is what I bought 7 years ago. Like you, I have limited mechanical skills but installed it myself with no issues, start to finish, in 1 weekend. I produced 325 rwhp with no other mods except exhaust, so you'll probably be higher.

I would not install the aftercooler right away. 400 may be your goal, but you don't need to spend all your money and reach it in one fell swoop and there's more to modding a car than just throwing more power at it. Any base model s/c will produce big power and without supporting mods such as to the frame and drivetrain, tires, etc, "Something very safe that can be street driven for many thousands of miles..??" is less likely than if you balance out your modifications.

BTW. wmburns, your initial post was one of the best pieces of advise I've ever seen on the boards.

 

[Rejekt]

Yep, Tims systems are complete.

He also has the Novi2000 for those who want a blower that will do 20+ psi..

He does all the KB kits also.

 

[cronin49]

I like my Paxton 2000 centri S/C. With a set of 373's in the ass end, I am putting down over 400 rwhp and have dipped into the 11's at the track on street tires. I Paid $5500 installed, and my guy threw in full length subs to sweeten the deal.
I have boltons that were installed before I got blown, so I am sure these helped my ' vert put down 417 honest HP.
My S/C kit came complete from the injectors to the fuel pump to the SCT Excalibur 2 programmer.
Dyno tune was also included in the price.
Everybody says that with a centri you have to wait until you build revs before you are into boost.
Well, let me tell you, with my 373's, that happens real quick.
I have a device that measures time to reach a certain speed, with my car my best was 4.2 seconds to 60 mph, 9.1 seconds to 100 mph.
She runs like a raped ape.
Look into one.

 

[StratGT]

Just wondering if that was because you are from Canada?

I was wondering because the KB web site goes to great lengths to point out they sell direct. Cut out the middle man and so on. KB markets their kits as a DIY weekend install project.

The WEB site also states they have authorized dealers to do the install should you not want to do the work yourself.

However, this provides additional justification for the original point. Do your homework. Understand what is being purchased.

I purchased my blower kit 4 years ago and at the time the people at KB would not sell direct. A couple of buddys of mine had their KB blowers rebuilt (1.7L kit) for an additional $1500 due to leaks. The newer 2.1L kits seem to put out some decent numbers with room to grow.

I'm convinced that it's all about the room to grow aspect of purchasing a blower cause after a year....you'll want more!!!