Where did all the coolant go?

glowstang93

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Tonight I was driving around and noticed the engine smelled hot and the temp gauge was going way too high. By the time I got home it was starting to make some clicking while accelerating. The radiator and reservoir were completely empty. I have not noticed any fluid on garage floor, but my son said he saw about a 7" spot one day. Haven't had a chance yet to check for leaks. If there are no leaks, could it be a head gasket or what else?
 
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Tonight I was driving around and noticed the engine smelled hot and the temp gauge was going way too high. By the time I got home it was starting to make some clicking while accelerating. The radiator and reservoir were completely empty. I have not noticed any fluid on garage floor, but my son said he saw about a 7" spot one day. Haven't had a chance yet to check for leaks. If there are no leaks, could it be a head gasket or what else?


Most likely the head gasket or hope that it is. Pull the plugs and see if one of them is not like the others.

I had ahead crack in my '93. I drained the system, put in water glass and pure water, as it was a slight crack and i bought me another year (and 14,000 miles). Wound up getting another head and replaced the whole thing - new gasket, belt & water pump.
 
I also had the heater hose develop a leak that was to the back side of the hose - peed onto the front of the engone and on down to the ground. that or the upper radiator hose / thermostat housing sometimes fail. All (including the pump) are very easy to fix. I don't even bother guying a seal - i use the permatex RTV ultra black and never have a sealing problem.
 
Delray, could you give me a little more info on replacing the water pump. I know I have good mix of antifreeze and water in the block, but starting to get worried about the radiator still.

I have a Chiltons and Haynes, what do i need to pull the pulley off of the pump?
 
I got the belts all off, tried to loosen the pulley bolts, but the pulley spinned. Whats the best way to hold pulley still?



From memory....the best way to get the pulley loose is to loosen the bolts on the pulley with the belts still installed - it'll help hold the pulley in place while you get the bolts loose. After you break them loose you can remove the belts and the bolts spin off easy.

after that, you should have a fair amount of room to work with, remove the hoses and you are down to the pump itself. Can't remember the socket size, think it was 12 mm, could be 13 or 10, but IIRC there are 3 bolts holding it on to the block, 2 are fairly easy to see / get and the 3rd is hard to see and next to the timimg belt cover - look at the new pump to guage where it is, you can get a socket on it with an extension - I think i used my 1/4 drive craftsman to get at it - as it's thinner than the 3/8 drive set. I'm fairly certain you will need anextension on the driver handle to overpower the the bolt to break it loose - i usually use either a boxed wrench or a deep socket and long 3/8" extension to get the bolt loose.

once the pump is out, clean the surface with brake clean on the block - then i usually apply a nice but not too thick layer of the permatex ultra black gasket maker to the mating surefaces, and bolt that puppy in. it takes about an hour to cure in S. Florida weather, maybe 2-3 in colder areas, but by the time you get it together and a few victory beers you should be able to fill it up. Remember to bolt on the pulley and put the belts on to tighten your bolts.

A side note - on my 93 - when i replaced the pump - the new pump bolted in fine, but the original bolts to the pulley extended too deep into the pump area causing interference, so i simply put two washers to shim out the bolts to clear. just mentioning it, because you might encounter the same issue.


hope this helps - let me know if you got any other questions
 
1/2" or 13mm socket and a large screwdriver. Wedge the screwdriver between two bolt heads and that will give you leverage to loosen a bolt or two. Then move to the next or skip one and the next and loosen the next 1 or 2. After they're loose, you should be able to hold the pulley still while removing them.

---Remember thread sealer when installing them an torque them to around 20 lb-ft.

---Do not* buy Cardone. Just did that and less than a month later the shaft seal is showing grease outside the seal. Garbage. I have known Cardone to do shoddy rebuilds in the past, especially alternators & starters, but did something stupid when I purchased the pump this time. I asked the counter-monkey a tech question. "How are the Cardone pumps doing? Have they cleaned up their act yet?" to which he replied "I haven't seen one come back yet". Well, my bud and I say the same thing, he hasn't been working with auto parts for too long. When I go back I will demand a gallon of concentrated ethylene glycol, which was wasted due to a faulty water pump and I will buy new with discount if offered.

---Stand clear of their rebuilt parts. Reason being. They're main line is in Kaleva Michigan, a place called NAPCO. No one there has micrometers, feeler gauges or a sense of right. They just crack-headily rebuild auto parts with parts given and throw them in a bin. Worst part is all housings are blasted. So material is removed. When material is removed, specs change. Without any type of measuring apparatus, a large percentage of parts go out in worse condition than they came in. If you want to pay the extra $$ for Cardone Select or A-1 (NEW) then fine. I have known mechanics who were laid off, to report for work in the morning and leave as early as first break, ready to puke because of the quality of (lack of) parts they were expected to put out.

---Just remember, all rebuilt parts require a core exchange and new parts do not. So don't get suckered into a "100% new parts" rebuild. I myself will buy Airtex even though it is wells or spend the money on a MotorCraft or Borg Warner. Never again, never again...

... I use good ol' Old #9 Permatex, AKA Indian Head on almost all parts that have a true surface. PN is 20539) Dab it on all mating surfaces, allow it to dry and then apply torqued to specs. I dab both sides of water pump gasket and bolts get coated, then hang gasket and set bolts out to dry. I then apply to both block and water pump after cleaning & drying. Assemble dry and torque all bolts, inside-outward as usual.

---Make sure it's not the water neck/thermostat housing/water outlet leaking. They often get damaged/kinked or rust away and people cut the bypass back/shorter. When they get as short as mine, they tend to become out of round and be down to virtually a transparent tubing. I'd swear a dull knitting needle dropped from 10' could cause a leak...
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... is what it should* look like.

---Water pump should spin tightly, not freely and no grinding or raking sound should be heard. With stationary mounted fans or easy access to pulleys, lift up and down on the fan/pulley while it's mounted to the pump and pump is mounted to the vehicle. No slop in shaft, between shaft & bearings should be felt at all. No wobble at all. All should be tight. Seep hole would normally be where fluid will pour out. Yellow/green powdery residue will show where leaks have occurred.
 
Thanks guys. I decided to just take it to my trusted shop. He quoted me just $60 labor. They are going to use new lifetime warranty from O'Reilly's and said since they buy it and put it in, if it goes out, that will either cover all or part of the labor if it has to be replaced again. Sounds like a good deal and I have been going to this shop for over 16 years :)

On the flip, I have a battery minder on the stang, and still had to jump it this morning, deader thana doornail. I guess the battery minder is such a low trickle that it really doesn't keep up with it in the colder weather and not being started for about 2 months.

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---I don't know anything about Master Pro water pumps if that's what it is. I only see a few complaints regarding multiple pumps going bad, but that could have been a bad batch of parts. It happens. Oreilly's sells Cardone as well... and I have said all I can say about them. At one time they were a GREAT company.

---Hope they don't steer you wrong and if your pump fails while you're on the road and engine damage occurs, hope they'll cover that as well. If not for feeling under (actually way* above) the weather, I would be replacing my pump a well.
Master Pro - CP4054
A1/Cardone - 58217

---Now a new pump from Cardone Select also carries a LLT warranty. Hope that's what they're doing for ya... considering it's only roughly $10 more for new (Select).
Cardone Select - 5521126

---$60 for about an hour's work isn't too bad and having a shop do it covers your butt as well. ;)