2010 V6 Wheels?

[streethorse]

Can I put the 2011 5 spoke 19 inch GT rims on my 2010 V6 mustang? I just went to ford and they said i couldnt because 19inch rims were not available for that model and the computer/speedometer would not be able to be calibrated. Is this true? Thanks

I can't seem to find any information on how much any of the OEM wheels weigh.
I think it would help out to know what the stock specs and weights of the OEM wheels would help out a lot when comparing to aftermarket ones.


lint, Some specs to compare........

2011 GT 19"x9" +42mm offset Brembo package wheel ~26lbs
2011 GT 18"x8" +44mm Offset Standard
2011 V6 19"x9.5" +50mm offset Perf package wheel
2011 V6 17"x7" +40mm offset standard wheel
2011 V6 18"x8" +44mm offset pony/MCA package wheel


Youll need a much lower profile tire,and just measure the height of your
whell/tires that you have now and measure the height of some new 19"
low profile tires, say at a tire store. My halfway educated guess is that
yes they will work.

 

[astronut1885]

At some point, Makoto, you're gonna realize you're wrong. My car isn't the same price, and it has far more stock capability and potential than a V6. Not sure how many people are gonna have to say it, but it's the truth whether you and all the other wannabes accept it.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

At some point, Makoto, you're gonna realize you're wrong. My car isn't the same price, and it has far more stock capability and potential than a V6. Not sure how many people are gonna have to say it, but it's the truth whether you and all the other wannabes accept it.

seriously, you're just kidding yourself. most of us that buy a new V6 for 25-28K (seems to be the ballpark) could have either YOUR car OR a new base 5.0. maybe you don't live in the real world so i'll break this down.

maybe you got ripped off hardcore and spent way more than you should have (or something) but if you really intend on maintaining your delusion i recommend staying off the internet. don't give me that "performance potential" crap. most engines have great performance potential. to suggest that this new 24 valve V6 that runs mid 13's with 2.73 gears and an auto WITH JUST A TUNE isn't going to give all the GT's prior to 2011 a run for their money is just to be naive.

ford ensured that the GT's in recent years would have a slight edge in power to weight and they do. its seriously not anything to write home about. i liked the 2010 GT, thought it was amazing, but the pricepoint was just a bit higher than i was willing to pay for a car that offered that performance and i wanted better mpg.

so in my mind they shaved like 4 grand off the car, fixed the mpg issue, and gave it a brand new six speed gearbox. yay! in the new V6 ford fixed everything i didn't like about the 2010 GT. then they did even BETTER with the 5.0. THEN they went and put an aluminum block int he shelby (weight was my only gripe there) and THEN they released the new boss.

ford doesn't sell a crappy mustang right now. the 2010 isnt' a crapbox so dont get me wrong, its just a middle child of automotive history. im glad you like it but to say that the new generation of engines wont give the 4.6 a hard time is just to deny progress.

cliffs notes: put down the crack pipe and fix your crappy attitude. you're talking about people that should be banned? well right now you're the only one in this thread that is giving people a hard time unnecessarily. stop being a stereotype of american muscle car ownership.

grow up.

 

[Svtpilot]

Astro so people who can't afford GT's have no business buying mustangs?? Guess what if it weren't for the V6's there would be no GT's cause V6 sales pay the bills. And who are you to criticize Lints choice of cars anyway? You don't know him or his financial situation. How do you know that he isn't under 25 or has a bad driving record so that the insurance costs on a GT would be prohibitive? How do you know that he doesn't commute 500 miles a week so gas would be too expensive if he had a GT ? Point is you don't and you are way out of line. Especially considering the fact that you have a bunch of stuff done to your car that 1) Make it look like something it is not and 2) do nothing to enhance the performance. At least Lint is improving the performance of his car by upgrading his rims and tires.
Btw better do something about those 3:31 gears before some "girl" in an
11 V6 smokes your ass.

 

[streethorse]

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:

(waiting for astros reply)

 

[1965coupe]

At some point, Makoto, you're gonna realize you're wrong. My car isn't the same price, and it has far more stock capability and potential than a V6. Not sure how many people are gonna have to say it, but it's the truth whether you and all the other wannabes accept it.

You're like all of the Shelby GT owners who are dissatisfied with their cars 'out of the box' - get over it. A car with over 300 HP is not enough, so you have to spend thousands more to supercharge it? And you're going to use that horsepower where?

Sometimes the Mustang hobby reminds of a bar - it's just a big pissing contest.

It gets old. Enjoy YOUR car for what it is.. quit bragging about how much it cost and how much power it has.

 

[astronut1885]

Gears were stock, and when my finances aren't tied up in my upcoming wedding, I plan on saving toward some 3.73s or 4.10s, along with detroit rocker cams, P+P heads, FRPP intake, JLT CAI, LTs with a catted X, and some other bolt-ons, with the long term goal of a higher compression stroker underneath all that. All set with the blower, I am a fan of old school N/A. Blowers are like cheat codes for a video game IMO. And I have a set of 18x9/10 rims sitting in the basement just waiting on spring and no further salt on the roads. I think the 'girl with a v6' will be just enjoying looking at the tail panel blackout on my car fading into the distance when that's all said and done. For now, though, I'll stick to mods that aren't going to get my warranty tossed since I am paying for it.

Not sure how my car is "looking like something it's not" since nothing has come out of dearborn looking like my car. I think the big chrome GT badges on the fenders pretty much clear up any confusion as to it's pedigree.

If you have a bad driving record, and or can't afford a GT, that's all well and good, and if it is the driving record holding you back, then I have no sympathy because you are reaping what you sowed, and honestly I don't want you out there in a Mustang giving a crap representation of what responsible owners are all about. Where my understanding of financial decision making stops is when you suddenly decide to start dumping money into a car that you supposedly bought because it was the limit of your financial resources. It's simply hypocritical. "oh, gee, I can't spend $5k more to get all that comes in a GT, but 6 months from now I'll start dumping big bucks into this underling and almost get there." On top of that, if you are looking for a car with the intent to modify from a performance standpoint, then a GT is a much more sound starting point than the V6, unless of course as I originally stated you really don't give a shyt about performance and you just want to LOOK fast/potent. At that point, you are no different than dudes who put rims and wings on Civics and Maximas and Mrbodykit.com is the place for you. V6 Mustangs are not and will never be a Muscle car or a performance auto. It is just a regular ass car that borrowed it's skin from a real muscle car. I never said they didn't have a place in this world, but I just don't see how you can justify modding one up in any way.

And Makoto- your argument still doesn't hold water. Saying a modded up V6 will whoop up on a stock GT really doesn't respond to my argument. You can spend enough money to make a friggin Kia run 9s if you want to, but why the hell would you? Drop 5k into a V6, then do the same with a GT, and see if they still end up comparable. The answer is no. The V6 simply does not have the potential of a V8, and the money you would spend, all the while voiding your warranty, just to bring it up to factory GT potential, would be equal to that of just buying an unmolested and potentially more reliable GT. On top of that, nobody drag races their way around town every day, and that daily driving is where the sackless V6 is really going to give it up to the GT when there is no torque to be had.

Oh, and anyone who gets into the Mustang game even thinking about MPG really has no business here and should be posting on a Miata forum somewhere. There is a significant difference between a Mustang guy and a guy who drives a Mustang. Mustang guys are part of a community and really don't give a crap about MPG or how much more 305 series tires cost over 255s. Guys who just drive a Mustang usually run a V6 with gaudy overdone appearance mods, talk a ton of crap, overdrive their car to a dangerous point trying to compensate for it's under-performance, and more or less just tarnish the reputation of the Mustang community. Sounds like you.


And Lint- before you started responding like a sarcastic jackass and raising my ire, I in fact was the first to properly answer your question (despite Makoto's 'close is good enough' reply), I did not bash your choice of car, I simply offered my opinion on smart investment in Mustang modding, if there is such a thing. I'd rather see a guy get by with a stock V6 long enough to save a chunk of change and jump up to the GT and not lose his shirt in mods when he gets rid of the first car than mod the hell out of his V6 just to quickly hit it's upper potential limit and then end up getting into a GT anyway, taking a bath on all the things you did to the V6 that carry no resale or trade value along the way which happens a lot. I am speaking from experience. I tried twice to force the car I could afford to be the car I dreamed of. I spent twice what I paid for an 87 GT in mods trying to get it to keep up with the 99-04 cars, and as someone mentioned, also made a mess of the exterior trying to capture a look that wasn't appropriate for my car. In the end I lost thousands and just bought an 04. The only reason that car is gone is because the motor went POP 3k miles from home and I had no choice but to offload it on a dealer who knew what he was getting and still offered me a hell of a deal on my current GT. Who can say no to 0% financing at invoice for a fully optioned brand new car when your car is sitting in a puddle of coolant in the parking lot?

 

[XStang302x]

Deleted...not even sure what it said, but probably made no sense. Late night drunken posting = FAIL haha

 

[AvalancheSVT]

And Makoto- your argument still doesn't hold water. Saying a modded up V6 will whoop up on a stock GT really doesn't respond to my argument. You can spend enough money to make a friggin Kia run 9s if you want to, but why the hell would you? Drop 5k into a V6, then do the same with a GT, and see if they still end up comparable. The answer is no. The V6 simply does not have the potential of a V8, and the money you would spend, all the while voiding your warranty, just to bring it up to factory GT potential, would be equal to that of just buying an unmolested and potentially more reliable GT. On top of that, nobody drag races their way around town every day, and that daily driving is where the sackless V6 is really going to give it up to the GT when there is no torque to be had.

actually, i wasn't making that claim at all. you're the one talking about penis measuring contests. i'm saying the difference is NEGLIGIBLE, genius. with a genius like you behind the wheel of your car you'll do well to get some upgrades in order to compensate for you being a completely brain dead moron. cause if you fail as hard at driving as you do life a three cylinder geo metro is going to rape your almighty holier than everything middle child of automotive history 20101 GT.

Oh, and anyone who gets into the Mustang game even thinking about MPG really has no business here and should be posting on a Miata forum somewhere. There is a significant difference between a Mustang guy and a guy who drives a Mustang. Mustang guys are part of a community and really don't give a crap about MPG or how much more 305 series tires cost over 255s. Guys who just drive a Mustang usually run a V6 with gaudy overdone appearance mods, talk a ton of crap, overdrive their car to a dangerous point trying to compensate for it's under-performance, and more or less just tarnish the reputation of the Mustang community. Sounds like you.

oh so in order to be a mustang guy i have to throw common sense out the window, waste money, and just be an overall complete loser that thinks its some kind of badge of honor to do stupid stuff?

no, thats not a mustang guy, thats a joke. you're a joke. a little boy that can shave that needs to check his attitude at the door and learn that being a man isn't about having 8 cylinders or having the fastest shinest toy on the block. i know you're kind because you've made it very evident that you associate some kind of pathetic honor with what kind of car you drive.

thats just sad dude. you need to check yourself before you get married and chain some unfortunate lady to your idiotic adolescent mistakes.

and whats this miata crap? last time i checked miatas didn't have 4 seats, a big trunk, and run in the 13's while getting 30 mpg. what kind of brain dead moron are you that thinks people are stupid for taking advantage of 30mpg and 13 second timeslips?

you're either stupid or jealous because deep down you know you bought the wrong car because that 5.0 makes what you have look like secretaries V6 mustang. welcome to the "close is good enough" club, shirly.

cookies and punch are in the back.

 

[astronut1885]

Ya know, I'd love to see you try and run your trap at me about sucking at life in person. I'm not the one sitting there whining about making the best of what I can afford, I went out and busted my ass and earned what I really wanted. You talk a lot of shyt for an ignorant little twerp because you get to hide behind a keyboard. And I will drive circles around you in anything you decide to put me in, kid. There is a reason why NO ONE on these boards has even a shred of respect for you, and this is it. You talk out your ass, you start throwing around insults, and then you just attack people when you know you are dead wrong. WTF are you even doing in this forum if you have a SN-95? Probably just looking for trouble. And if my car is the middle child, yours would be the red-headed step child that just gets beat behind the woodshed. And stop crowing about "13 second time slips." Unless you live 1/4 mile from work on a pin-straight, flat, non-speed limited road, then that little piece of info really doesn't mean crap in the real world.

Oh, and did it ever occur to you in all your 2011 V6 grandstanding that the OP in fact has an under-performing 2010, hence my comments?

And I didn't buy "the wrong car." The 5.0s were not on the dealer lots when I bought my 2010 brand new a year ago. It was the top option available short of an ungodly inflated GT500 that I don't really like anyway. I did not have the luxury of waiting on the 5.0 as my 04 blew a head gasket and melted down while I was in Cali, 3000 miles from home, and on top of that, I would have never gotten the deal and financing I did vs. the new 5.0 car. I really could care less about a 6 speed gear box, and the extra 100 or so HP can easily be gotten with less money than I would have spent buying a 2011, so other than the 5.0 badge, where exactly did I come up short? I have never been a fan of buying a first-year drivetrain as I don't want to be part of the process of finding and fixing bugs, and the aftermarket support for the 4.6 3V was already well developed, including tuning, whereas the coyote was still a mystery to most.

And I would advise you to neither challenge my manhood nor bring up my significant other ever again. I never said anything about owning a Mustang makes you a man. I was talking about the "mustang guy" who typically makes up our community, which unfortunately is littered with wastes of time like you who come from the wrong place, have a total napoleon complex about your little V6, and exude false attitude trying to make up for it. You can try and act like a tough guy all you want, but we're all still laughing behind your back.

Oh, and roughly 15Hp and 40ft/lb tq is far from negligible, unless your definition of the word is "excuse for why I got whooped."

 

[AvalancheSVT]

Ya know, I'd love to see you try and run your trap at me about sucking at life in person. I'm not the one sitting there whining about making the best of what I can afford, I went out and busted my ass and earned what I really wanted.

i think i've already said that i could buy a 5.0 if i wanted. i just dont WANT to, dude. there are more important things in life than cars.

so... didn't you mention that you're getting married so you shouldn't be spending money on the car? WHAT THE HELL do you think everyone else is saying when they buy something other than what you think is awesome?

here's your response to what you said without you being a hypocrite:
oh, you have life so you put your wife and marriage ahead of your car? . what kind of poor kid doesn't spend everything he has on his car? you must not be MUSTANG GUY.

LOL

yup, sounds retarded cause it is.

You talk a lot of ***** for an ignorant little twerp because you get to hide behind a keyboard. And I will drive circles around you in anything you decide to put me in, kid. There is a reason why NO ONE on these boards has even a shred of respect for you, and this is it. You talk out your ass, you start throwing around insults, and then you just attack people when you know you are dead wrong. WTF are you even doing in this forum if you have a SN-95? And if my car is the middle child, yours would be the red-headed step child that just gets beat behind the woodshed.

the thing about me is that i'd tell you the truth if you're 3 feet or 3 thousand miles away. i think you're probably projecting because that sure looks a lot like what you're doing in the rest of your post. this guy comes over here asking about wheels and you flame on like its some kind of rip on the new guy contest.

and im on this forum because i have a mustang (not a SN-95 BTW) and am going to buy a 2012 mustang in a few months. unlike you i do research to avoid buyers remorse. ya know, like you and your 2010 GT that has basically the same power as a 2011 V6 and not anywhere near the power of a 5.0.

perhaps if you'd have done research you would have known about the upcoming awesomeness and waited a bit. pity.

look the short story is you take yourself too seriously and everyone is laughing at you. stop being dumb. just fix it and move on.

 

[astronut1885]

Ah, glad you can't read. I already said waiting on the 5.0 was not an option, and as numerous people have stated, the V6 does not have the same power/tq as the GT, and it's not even close in it's application. And there's a difference between postponing appropriate mods and settling. I'm not out there with a sharpie coloring my spoiler black because I want it that way, I AM DOING WHAT I SUGGESTED TO THE OP AND WAITING UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT TO DO IT RIGHT. I've been there and done that as far as trying to mod on a poor-kid budget, and the end result is always a mess of unreliability and underachieving performance. And a New-edge is still a SN-95 platform there champ. And guess what else, all the guys currently buying 5.0s are probably in for what you call buyers remorse in a few years when Ford drops the next biggest and baddest on us. That's the nature of the beast. I have no regrets about buying my '10, and if I could do it all over again except the availability of a 5.0 was an option, I'd still go with the '10 because as I stated, I can close that gap in performance much more reasonably with the '10 and the money I didn't spend on financing and dealer markup for the '11. I am happy with my car, it is a solid foundation for future modifications and improvements, and already has more than enough get up and go for my neck of the woods. That is the point I was trying to make to Lint, that if he has designs of turning his car into a super performer, he was going to find disappointment, so why not wait on that until the time is right and he has a better canvas on which to paint his version of a masterpiece. If all he wants is to look cool, well, then that thing could have a motor by Briggs and Stratton under the hood and he'd still be happy. He tipped it off that he wanted more performance when he started talking about dual exhaust and cold air intakes and how much he loved the handling improvement that came with his new tires. Those are performance mods. And we all know where that goes. UDPs, suspension, tune, throttle body, etc...and when it's all said and done he will have spent the same amount of money in mods as he could have to buy a GT but that little V6 in the middle of it all will be hamstringing him from getting where he was trying to go. We all say "oh yeah, just rims, that's it" and as people already started saying "well, now it needs to be lowered." How is that any different than "now it needs a bigger motor, but swapping is a bitch, so why not hold off and get that better starting point IF that is what you want." I personally am not into the looks-only department, because most of the time those looks are all about looking fast, which a V6 isn't, ergo you are posing. And I have no respect for posers because I have worked to damn hard to be the real thing only to let some poser come along and try to act like he can hang. Like I said, it's those posers who over drive their cars, piss the general public off, and then the fallout of "mustang guys are A-holes" because of what he did falls onto responsible owners like myself and most of the guys on here.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

Ah, glad you can't read. I already said waiting on the 5.0 was not an option, and as numerous people have stated, the V6 does not have the same power/tq as the GT, and it's not even close in it's application. And there's a difference between postponing appropriate mods and settling. I'm not out there with a sharpie coloring my spoiler black because I want it that way, I AM DOING WHAT I SUGGESTED TO THE OP AND WAITING UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT TO DO IT RIGHT.

you should have bought a beater. because my version of doing it right means having a daily driver. see, if you had a beater you'd be able to wait on a 5.0 no problem. you're doing it wrong according to my arbitrary standards. you COULD have waited and now you're stuck with a middle child of automotive history. nobody HAS to buy a brand new GT right then and there. maybe you just weren't clever enough or patient enough to figure something else out.

see how that works?

I've been there and done that as far as trying to mod on a poor-kid budget, and the end result is always a mess of unreliability and underachieving performance. And a New-edge is still a SN-95 platform there champ.

its pretty much the same as the fox body too. why don't you just call it that? you're not very good at this consistency thing.

And guess what else, all the guys currently buying 5.0s are probably in for what you call buyers remorse in a few years when Ford drops the next biggest and baddest on us. That's the nature of the beast. I have no regrets about buying my '10, and if I could do it all over again except the availability of a 5.0 was an option, I'd still go with the '10 because as I stated, I can close that gap in performance much more reasonably with the '10 and the money I didn't spend on financing and dealer markup for the '11. I am happy with my car, it is a solid foundation for future modifications and improvements, and already has more than enough get up and go for my neck of the woods. That is the point I was trying to make to Lint, that if he has designs of turning his car into a super performer, he was going to find disappointment, so why not wait on that until the time is right and he has a better canvas on which to paint his version of a masterpiece. If all he wants is to look cool, well, then that thing could have a motor by Briggs and Stratton under the hood and he'd still be happy. He tipped it off that he wanted more performance when he started talking about dual exhaust and cold air intakes and how much he loved the handling improvement that came with his new tires. Those are performance mods. And we all know where that goes. UDPs, suspension, tune, throttle body, etc...and when it's all said and done he will have spent the same amount of money in mods as he could have to buy a GT but that little V6 in the middle of it all will be hamstringing him from getting where he was trying to go. We all say "oh yeah, just rims, that's it" and as people already started saying "well, now it needs to be lowered." How is that any different than "now it needs a bigger motor, but swapping is a bitch, so why not hold off and get that better starting point IF that is what you want." I personally am not into the looks-only department, because most of the time those looks are all about looking fast, which a V6 isn't, ergo you are posing. And I have no respect for posers because I have worked to damn hard to be the real thing only to let some poser come along and try to act like he can hang. Like I said, it's those posers who over drive their cars, piss the general public off, and then the fallout of "mustang guys are A-holes" because of what he did falls onto responsible owners like myself and most of the guys on here.

no, its douchebags like you that piss the general public off. most people on the planet dont give two craps if the mustang has six eight or twelve cylinders. only morons like you care about "performance matching looks".

nobody wants your respect. respect from a fool is worthless.


i just can't wait till a bolt on tuned 2011+ V6 rapes you at a stoplight and you go home to put a blower on the credit card before your wife can stop you.

 

[astronut1885]

Yeah, I sure could have bought a beater when I owed more on my 04 than it was worth, it had a blown motor, and I was in Cali on a contract job 3k miles from any resources or tools...yup, I sure could afford to take a bath on the GT and/or just leave it there inoperable. Thank you for those rays of wisdom you friggin moron. More ignorance from a total tard. I am well aware the SN-95 is a derivative of the Fox platform, but since 79-93s pretty much fall under "fox", 94-98 fall under SN-95, and 99-04 fall under New Edge SN-95, I'm right again, jackass. You're just some little piece of shyt who loves to cause trouble, has a turd of a car that he WISHES could keep up with mine, and all you can do is try to piss people off to make them as miserable as you. I'd relish the chance for you to get 3 feet from my face, because I'd knock your front teeth in till they were 3 inches from the base of your skull.

I'd love for you to find ONE person on this forum who isn't you that would take your POS over my ride.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

Yeah, I sure could have bought a beater when I owed more on my 04 than it was worth, it had a blown motor, and I was in Cali on a contract job 3k miles from any resources or tools...yup, I sure could afford to take a bath on the GT and/or just leave it there inoperable. Thank you for those rays of wisdom you friggin moron. More ignorance from a total tard.

sounds to me like you were modding the crap out of a car without a daily driver AND driving it 3k miles from home? thats just poor planning. i mean, everybody knows that once you start killing reliability with tons of mods (or driving the piss out of the car in general) its time to get a daily. in fact, my POS 99 was taken on for that exact reason.

so in the end you, the guy who's telling people to plan ahead, didn't plan ahead and thats the reason why you're stuck with the car you have now instead of having the good sense to plan ahead in order to get the 5.0 that EVERYBODY knew was coming.

good job.

I am well aware the SN-95 is a derivative of the Fox platform, but since 79-93s pretty much fall under "fox", 94-98 fall under SN-95, and 99-04 fall under New Edge SN-95, I'm right again, jackass.

its still the same chassis. you suck at not being a hypocrite.

You're just some little piece of shyt who loves to cause trouble, has a turd of a car that he WISHES could keep up with mine, and all you can do is try to piss people off to make them as miserable as you. I'd relish the chance for you to get 3 feet from my face, because I'd knock your front teeth in till they were 3 inches from the base of your skull.

this from the homo that jumped in a thread for the sole purpose to bust a guy's balls? then you get pissed when someone busts your balls simply by holding you to your OWN logic (or lack thereof)?

i dont think so, shirly.

I'd love for you to find ONE person on this forum who isn't you that would take your POS over my ride.

a freakin 99 mustang V6 over a brand new 2010 GT? better watch out cause when you're fetching some nice doctor his coffee they just might send you off for a piss test and you'll loose your candy striper license.

 

[astronut1885]

So now you're making homophobic remarks, questioning my sexuality, attacking my profession, and still spewing BS? Man, you really are a piece. I'm done with you, because I feel like I could have a more intelligent conversation with my dog. Have fun with your POS V6, like you said in another post, chicks can't tell the difference, so when you're out for girls night with your girlfriends you can almost feel like one of the real muscle car owners. And maybe, in the future, when you pick an asinine fight, you might check facts, like that the chassis under a new edge is NOT identical to the one found under a 79, but is a refined version, ergo, not the same chassis. I really hope you get whats coming to you, namely the front end of a mack truck. And for your info, my 04 had very, very little done to it that would compromise it's reliability and up until the day it went chernobyl had been completely dependable, including the 3k mile jaunt from home to go make more money in 3 months than your puny little 2011 V6 fantasy car is ever gonna be worth.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

So now you're making homophobic remarks, questioning my sexuality, attacking my profession, and still spewing BS? Man, you really are a piece. I'm done with you, because I feel like I could have a more intelligent conversation with my dog. Have fun with your POS V6, like you said in another post, chicks can't tell the difference, so when you're out for girls night with your girlfriends you can almost feel like one of the real muscle car owners. And maybe, in the future, when you pick an asinine fight, you might check facts, like that the chassis under a new edge is NOT identical to the one found under a 79, but is a refined version, ergo, not the same chassis. I really hope you get whats coming to you, namely the front end of a mack truck. And for your info, my 04 had very, very little done to it that would compromise it's reliability and up until the day it went chernobyl had been completely dependable, including the 3k mile jaunt from home to go make more money in 3 months than your puny little 2011 V6 fantasy car is ever gonna be worth.

LOL maybe one day you'll wake up to the fact that the reason you think everyone picks fights with you is because you're a douchebag E-thug that has a crappy attitude and needs to seriously check yourself.

enjoy your poser boss 281 LULz

i'm laughing at you because you're a joke. thats all you're good for.

 

[MyGG]

SOMEONE LOCK THIS THREAD QUICKLY! THIS HAS BECOME A RIDICULOUS BACK AND FORTH NOT SERVING ANY PURPOSE, OR HELPFUL TOWARD ANYONE. THE OP GOT HIS ANSWER, AND MADE HIS DECISION MANY DAYS AGO. STOP THE INSANITY!