Switched to E85

bhuff30

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I filled the tank of the 97 GT with E85 today. I had about 1/4 tank of 87 octane left and I topped it off with E85. At the same time, I turned the knob on my tweecer to a tune designed for about 50% ethanol (3/4 tank of winter blend E85 which is actually around E70). All I did was change the injector slopes and richen up the WOT fuel target a bit. The tweecer knob has 4 settings, so switching between blends will be no problem at all.

So far, so good. I will report back on gas mileage changes later on, but before the switch, I was averaging 21mpg (20mpg if I have lots of fun, 22mpg if I careful). To me, it feels like the engine runs a little smoother, especially at WOT. I had a pretty aggressive tune for 87 octane though, so I may have been getting a little inaudible detonation on the 87 octane.

In the past, I ran mixtures of up to 30% ethanol on the stock tune. In fact, about 3 years ago, I ran the whole summer on E30 and cleared up a knock problem I had (probably a dirty fuel injector that was cleaned by the E30). On that mixture, the long term fuel trims changed and I never got a CEL. The gas mileage didn't notibibly change and the WOT AF ratios were exactly the same running E30 and 87 octane, so the computer compensated perfectly. Now, I can run more ethanol using the tuner.

As for why I want to run E85: first, it is cheaper... we'll see if the fuel mileage decreases too much to break even or not. Second, for fun. I enjoy doing something different and learning along the way. Third, less dependence on oil. Yes, making ethanol from corn is just plain stupid, but with enough intrest, maybe we will use other existing methods (like sugar beets or sugar cane) and develop new methods which are even more efficient.
 
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My mom ran one tank of E85 in her 99 Neon and it ruined her fuel system in about 1 week. We had to go tow it to a repair shop and have them pull all the old rubber (o-rings, gaskets, hoses, etc.) and while it was in she elected to not have it upgraded.
I asked her why she did it because we all sat down to a local news special about the E85 ethanol and things you need to know about it. Basically I thought she came away from it knowing she couldn't put E85 in a regular tank but we were wrong.
She said, " I just saw the gas price and went right for that one (the e85)" and fallowed it up with "why should I pay more for the regular gas when I could get that one?"
 
I was a little slow getting back to my thread... but I'll try to reply everyone.

Maxpowers: The only thing I changed was the tune. If I had more modifications, then I would probably need to upgrade the injectors. If one had a forced induction setup making big power, then you would have to upgrade the fuel pump, lines and fuel rail sooner than you would on gas because of the increased fuel demand. Really nothing special, just increase the amount of fuel you can flow.

sneaky98gt: I've been running E85 on my 88 for more than 4 years now. It is soo much fun matching E85 with boost. :D In those 4 years, I haven't replaced any rubber seals in the fuel system or had any fuel system failures related to E85. Same ol' fuel pump, O-rings, regulator, injectors, ect ect.

S&B: E100 is much more corrosive and tends to eat rubber components. The 15% gasoline in E85 really helps to stabilize it.

Cars made since the mid 1980's were designed with the ability to use up to 10% ethanol in mind. That basically meant using seals that were ethanol compatible... so any car built after about 1985 will be fine with E85. Of course, you will need a re-tune and if you have a bunch of crud in the fuel tank, it will clog a few fuel filters. I never had a fuel filter problem though.

And that brings me to Ze_Stallion: I completely believe that your mom put E85 in the fuel tank and I completely believe it needed maintenance because of running poorly... however I don't believe for a moment that every rubber component in the fuel system had to be replaced because of damage. Either the mechanic is an idiot or he was looking for some extra income. The best solution would be to drain the fuel tank, replace the fuel filter and fill the car with regular gasoline again. Of course, that would be much cheaper and easier than replacing (or pretending to replace) every rubber component in the fuel system.

As for an update on my 97GT: I've driven almost 150 miles so far and no problems. I feel like there was a small gain in WOT power. There is theoretically a 5% gain, and I mostly notice it in the mid range. :)
 
Maxpowers: The only thing I changed was the tune. If I had more modifications, then I would probably need to upgrade the injectors. If one had a forced induction setup making big power, then you would have to upgrade the fuel pump, lines and fuel rail sooner than you would on gas because of the increased fuel demand. Really nothing special, just increase the amount of fuel you can flow.

I meant more in line with the other questions you already answered. I've heard horror stories with everything down to the fuel filter going to hell from how corrosive E85 is. Never first hand experience though.
 
I've got a pair of cams on order from MHS and after reading this I'm thinking about filling up on e85 right before I get my car dyno tuned.

Do any of you remember the name of that place that rebuilds fuel injectors? I know the pintel caps on my injectors are all cracked and worn out and I was thinking about just having mine rebuilt before my cam install...
 
I meant more in line with the other questions you already answered. I've heard horror stories with everything down to the fuel filter going to hell from how corrosive E85 is. Never first hand experience though.

The fuel filter gets clogged because the E85 is cleaning all the junk out of your gas tank. When you switch to E85, keep a good supply of fuel filters on hand cause you will be changing them out a lot for awhile.
 
Just filled after the first tank of E85. I got 20mpg this tank, which is similar with my usual 20-22mpg. It might represent a 2-5% loss of mileage, but I wasn't easy on the car too. I'll just have to burn through a few more tanks to see a more accurate number.
 
I meant more in line with the other questions you already answered. I've heard horror stories with everything down to the fuel filter going to hell from how corrosive E85 is. Never first hand experience though.
The ones who have never tried it are always the experts. :rolleyes:

The fuel filter gets clogged because the E85 is cleaning all the junk out of your gas tank. When you switch to E85, keep a good supply of fuel filters on hand cause you will be changing them out a lot for awhile.
Another myth. :doh: I heard the same thing as well.

Here is my filter after 1.5 years running E85.
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I completely encourage anyone to switch to E85. While we make it from corn, about the least efficient process available, it would encourage new research to develop other means of making ethanol. In Brazil, the primary fuel is ethanol and they make it very successfully and cheaply from sugar cane and sugar beats.
 
Interesting stuff man. I really want to change my car over to run ethanol. The thing that really caught my eye was thinking that i could potentially make this stuff myself. Although i will need a permit, if the price to make it is cheaper than driving 30 miles to the closest e85 gas station it would be cool. I was just thinking i could make 100% ethanol or w/e and portion it out into my gas tank with a mixture of about 30% ethanol to gasoline. You're saying that the stock tune is capable of running this 30% mixture? I have an 04 GT. I read that generally running ethanol gives you a 20-30% mpg decrease at most. So if can make the stuff for cheaper than 20% of 4.00 a gallon i could be saving money .... I think. Brain hurt math in progress ouch. lol