Whad kinda earl ya runnin'?

90mustangGT

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Translation: What kind of oil are you using? Synthetic? Conventional? Blend? Weight? Brand? Any certain line within a brand and weight? Any reason why? Any additives? Filter? Any brand/weight/line have you had any bad experiences?

I've been a Mobil 1 fan for a long time. My 5.0 has seen mostly synthetic since it was new, and I'm keeping it that way. I haven't changed the oil that much since I got it, because since I've gotten it I've only driven it less than 7K miles in the past two years. I've ran the Mobil 1 Syn 10W40 High Mileage and I have ran the regular 10W30 Synthetic Mobil 1. I just picked up the 10W30 Mobil 1 Extended Performance. I use the 5W30 in my truck, seems to be really good stuff. I debated 10W40, it is a bit thicker, but this car was designed around 10W30 so I'm sticking with it, plus it's about to start cooling off. I am sure the clearances have opened up a bit, but when 30 weight isn't enough, I've got bigger issues and a thicker oil won't fix it. Working in the auto service industry, I have seen a lot. I know that so many manufactuers recomend Mobil 1. BMW/VW recomends Castrol.

Mobil 1 Extended Performance has the best API ratings. UKSAC, GF-5 (high requirement) ACEA, A1/B1, A5/B5, SN, SM, SL. Now I don't know what all these requirements mean, except GF which I know GF-4 is rather high, so this exceeds that. I didn't see any other oil that met all these requirements. Yeah, they all can claim this and claim that, but when they have to answer to the certifications, that's different. It's kind of like the difference between someone who knows how to sound like a lawyer, and someone who actually has a law degree and has passed the BAR. I haven't run the M1 EP in this car yet. Just regular M1 syn.

I am looking into the Mobil 1 0W40. It's highly recomended by some good sources. Google it. I saw a dyno test on it, and it came out the highest, and that's over royal purple. It's great in the cold, and great in the heat. I might do this stuff next time.

I'd probably run Amsoil but the fact you have to go through a dealer and pay the markup for "special oil" is a big turnoff for me. Amsoil shows M1 as being almost as good as it is, so that tells you something.

I have seen what I've seen, and looked at many tests, and I know synthetic is worth the extra money. It doesn't break down and form sludge and deposits, and it performs so much better at extremes. Get a conventional really hot, it gets super thin and doesn't lubercate well at all. Get it real cold and it separates. A 10W30 conventional might flow the same at test temps, but out of those ranges the synthetic stays stable. I have stuck a quart of 5W30 of both synthetic and conventional in a -20F freezer, the synthetic still was liquid, the conventional wasn't solid, but much thicker. When heated in a pan, the conventional will flow like water, while the synthetic will flow loose, but remains oil like. Although I doubt any part of my engine gets that hot, where it gets the hottest, it will need that protection critically, and the weakest link of a chain can bring the whole anvil crashing down. Also, changing oil at work, I've noticed the one's who use synthetic, even when they don't change oil but every 10K or so, it drains out smooth from when you pull the plug all the way until it drips. Conventional, especially if they neglect over 5K, it tends to clump out, and doesn't flow as smooth. Some cars if they are hot and you open the oil cap, smoke comes out if they are running conventional when the engine recomends synthetic. Synthetic holds dirt much better, and if it does burn off, it burns off uniform. With a conventional the thin part burns off first, and they get saturated with dirt fast, and leave deposits. Even when the oil drained out of a synthetic oiled car is black as night, after you drain it, when you put fresh in, it's clean looking. Do this with conventional and it's black after running the motor for only a minute.

For the filter, I run Motorcraft. For the truck I use AC Delco. I've used M1 filters, but don't feel they are worth the money. The motorcraft filters are actually some of the best out there, equal to the Pure One, except not as expensive. Another good filter is the Napa Gold, and it's cheap too. I say this with experience, don't EVER use Fram, espeically the orange one's.

Oil I am against? Not really, except Royal Purple for conventional use. It's slippery oil to say the least, and I might use it next year. In fact, it's some really slippery stuff. However there is a huge difference between how slippery it is and how it protects. Royal Purple breaks down faster, and leaves a film. It's designed for engines that are torn down often.

Just some thoughts. What say you?
 
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I use Valvoline 10w30 conventional strictly because they came out and paid for all the people at my work to go go-karting, on real go karts, on a real track 2 days in a row, with a Motorcraft filter.
 
Motorcraft filter and motorcraft conventional oil. Older cars werent designed for synthetics. The oil passages are smaller and the synthetic is to thick to travel quickly to the places it needs to go. Think trying to suck a thick milk shake through a thin straw. Now my SRT4 gets and recommends mobil 1. I havent had a minutes trouble out of that rent-a-racer and believe me I have put Kandi through her paces.
 
FL1A Motorcraft and some Castrol GTX High Mileage oil. Because....well, my car has high mileage. :shrug:

I save the synthetics for my truck because I drive it a lot and use that Mobile 1 long life stuff so I don't need to change it as often.

No mater what oil I run though, I always use a Motorcraft filter.
 
Cenpeco 10W30 Super Racing paraffin non synthetic based oil. Had great luck in running a I6 alcohol burning naturally aspirated open RPM pulling tractor (the most extreme motorsport on engine strain). Use a Jomar no bypass oil filter made by Baldwin in car.

Scott
 
Wix filter with Shell 10w30 conventional oil. I change it so much that i would be really wasting alot of money if i went with anything fancy. I know alot of pretty serious guys in drag racing reccomend brad penn oil.

Ive also been thinking about running Amsoil in my truck. I put it in the rear of my truck and it fixed a problem i had with the limited slip clutches in the diff. I read a gear oil stress report and that sold me on the amsoil. FWIW, royal purple did awful in the independant testing
 
90mustangGT, that is a WALL of text.

5W-30 full synthetic Valvoline in the Mustang with the good old FL1A Motorcraft filter.

FWIW, I run 5W-20 full synthetic in both my wife's Honda and my Fusion, though I've considered trying 0W in the Fusion, just out of curiosity.

Motorcraft filter and motorcraft conventional oil. Older cars werent designed for synthetics. The oil passages are smaller and the synthetic is to thick to travel quickly to the places it needs to go. Think trying to suck a thick milk shake through a thin straw. Now my SRT4 gets and recommends mobil 1. I havent had a minutes trouble out of that rent-a-racer and believe me I have put Kandi through her paces.

That is an old wives' tale. Synthetic is superior in every way to conventional oil. It is not thicker, a 10W-30 conventional has the exact same viscosity as a 10W-30 synthetic at operating temperatures. The phrase "meets or exceeds OEM specifications" applies here. In order to meet the same API and SAE specifications, synthetic oil must be capable of doing everything the conventional oil is capable of doing. Same specifications = same performance.

BTW, the big advantage of synthetic oil really shows up outside of the typical standards of testing, like extremely high or low temperatures. Also, synthetic oil maintains its designed lubricating properties for a much longer time period than conventional. Conventional oil breaks down over time, synthetic does not. In fact, I've read some stuff that suggests that you could theoretically run some types of synthetics almost indefinitely, if only there was an easy way to keep it clean (replacing the filter without losing oil) and to replenish the additives (detergents, etc).
 
Also, synthetic oil maintains its designed lubricating properties for a much longer time period than conventional. Conventional oil breaks down over time, synthetic does not. In fact, I've read some stuff that suggests that you could theoretically run some types of synthetics almost indefinitely, if only there was an easy way to keep it clean (replacing the filter without losing oil) and to replenish the additives (detergents, etc).

This hasnt really been proven, AMSoil has kits that put multiple filters on any application, but ive mainly read about them on diesel trucks. The synthetic oil still breaks down, AMSoil claims 20k mile intervals but you have to send a test sample to their lab to be safe before trying to go that long without an oil change.

Long story short, i read a very long thread with a ton of replies and there were a few guys going 10k miles on an oil change, most of the results that were recieved back from the labs said that the oil had broken down enough in the first 5k miles that it wouldnt last another 5k
 
This hasnt really been proven, AMSoil has kits that put multiple filters on any application, but ive mainly read about them on diesel trucks. The synthetic oil still breaks down, AMSoil claims 20k mile intervals but you have to send a test sample to their lab to be safe before trying to go that long without an oil change.

Long story short, i read a very long thread with a ton of replies and there were a few guys going 10k miles on an oil change, most of the results that were recieved back from the labs said that the oil had broken down enough in the first 5k miles that it wouldnt last another 5k

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90mustangGT, that is a WALL of text.

5W-30 full synthetic Valvoline in the Mustang with the good old FL1A Motorcraft filter.

FWIW, I run 5W-20 full synthetic in both my wife's Honda and my Fusion, though I've considered trying 0W in the Fusion, just out of curiosity.



That is an old wives' tale. Synthetic is superior in every way to conventional oil. It is not thicker, a 10W-30 conventional has the exact same viscosity as a 10W-30 synthetic at operating temperatures. The phrase "meets or exceeds OEM specifications" applies here. In order to meet the same API and SAE specifications, synthetic oil must be capable of doing everything the conventional oil is capable of doing. Same specifications = same performance.

BTW, the big advantage of synthetic oil really shows up outside of the typical standards of testing, like extremely high or low temperatures. Also, synthetic oil maintains its designed lubricating properties for a much longer time period than conventional. Conventional oil breaks down over time, synthetic does not. In fact, I've read some stuff that suggests that you could theoretically run some types of synthetics almost indefinitely, if only there was an easy way to keep it clean (replacing the filter without losing oil) and to replenish the additives (detergents, etc).

That 'old wives tale' comes from Ed Peters one of Dodge Brothers head engineers. I've also heard countless Master Technicians say the same thing. All I know is when I pour the 4 1/2 quarts of oil of synthetic into the funnel it takes twice as long as conventional oil. Another thing to consider is PSI of pressure that older engines run vs newer. Remember the warm up period car manufacturers use to recommend? That was so oil would have time to get to the head for proper lubrication before heading off down the road. Know why they dont recommend 'warm up' anymore? Because new cars have a 58-60 psi rating on the oil. It is their literally instantly.

Anywho, its true that synthetic oils dont break down over time but they do get dirty just as you have stated. Which means, you cant just stick it in there and expect it to last forever.
 
I am normally a Mobile 1 guy... Pretty much run it in everything, but I have a lot of Shell Rotella T 15w 40w from my diesel tractor around so I have been running that and it seems to be okay... Of course, when I rebuild this engine (after breaking it in with non-synth oil) I will go back to Mobile 1.
 
That 'old wives tale' comes from Ed Peters one of Dodge Brothers head engineers. I've also heard countless Master Technicians say the same thing. All I know is when I pour the 4 1/2 quarts of oil of synthetic into the funnel it takes twice as long as conventional oil. Another thing to consider is PSI of pressure that older engines run vs newer. Remember the warm up period car manufacturers use to recommend? That was so oil would have time to get to the head for proper lubrication before heading off down the road. Know why they dont recommend 'warm up' anymore? Because new cars have a 58-60 psi rating on the oil. It is their literally instantly.

Anywho, its true that synthetic oils dont break down over time but they do get dirty just as you have stated. Which means, you cant just stick it in there and expect it to last forever.

Well, it also depends on when that old wives' tale came about. So much misinformation comes from days long gone by where it was true, but no longer valid. One truth is that conventional oils today are not what they once were because they have taken the zinc and phosphorus to very low levels. That Brad-Penn and Cenpenco oil as well as many "racing" oils have much higher zinc levels. It's just not as nessasary in today's engines but it is in engine's with flat tappet cams. The zinc/phosphorus oils perform better under extreme high pressures and where direct friction is found but is bad for emmisions and cataylic converters. They new synthetics have all but fixed this problem, but at a much higher cost.

Newer engine's are better designed in many ways and their oiling systems are more direct. Our old engines, the oil has a long way to go before it gets to the top of the head. Newer engines, it's almost instant because they have oil passages that go to almost every point in the engine where it is needed.

Synthetics hold the dirt better and contain it to prevent it from damaging the engine. One the the biggest issues older, more worn engines have is the piston ring blow-by which shoots very hot carbon rich exhaust down into the crankcase as well as a fuel rich mixture durring the compression stroke. So really, old engine's need the extra protection more than newer one's.

I just got some 0W40 M1. Seems to be highly recomended. Flows great cold and stays thick hot. I'll see how it performs.