I.S.C.A Show experience or (how to get your car picked to pieces)

CarMichael Angelo

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Yesterday was my first experience under the scrutiny of an I.S.C.A. judge.

I found it kinda funny actually, because here are all of these cars that range from old to new, Japanese, Domestic and European, Stock and modified, 2 wheel, and 4 wheel, Street drivers, and Trailer Queens. And the funny part........we're all in the same class!

This "show" is a regional event, promoted by an individual that solicits restaurants as a venue for one of his events. (presumably, to increase that restaurants' business for that day) He is a one man show, and quickly "judges" each car based on his International Show Car Association certification.

When he gets to me, I ask him "how do you keep the differences between these cars/motorcycles" on a level enough playing field to fairly judge them for what they are?"

He takes on his best authoritative pose and begins to use my car as an example:

Well he says, the first thing I take into consideration is the whole car. I look at the paint, trim, glass, wheels, and tires. (all of which my car had):rolleyes: I look then to the interior, trunk, then to the engine. Lastly I look at detail.

"Now take your car for instance, I see it's got a roll bar, so I'm gonna look at it as a race car. I'm gonna ck the safety features that are missing, your certification on your restraints, the mounting of your roll bar and your fuel cell." "I'll tell you right now, you have holes in your firewall,...an engine fire will get into the passenger compartment through those holes."
"Your roll bar is improperly mounted, there should be additional rear projecting bars running into the trunk to add support to the main hoop to aid in keeping the roof off your head in the event of a rollover."

(All along while he's critiquing the car, he keeps reassuring me that he's not trying to be a hard ass or anything, which I keep reassuring him that I know that he's not)

"You have removed the SFI certification tags from your restraints, so I'd have to take that into account" I'd move on to your fuel system to see how your fuel cell was mounted, make sure it was safe, plumbed and properly vented and that you have the appropriate anti-rollover measures in place.

As I'm glazing over at all of the B/S,...I seize the next opportunity to inform my judge: (As politely as possible, so as not to jeopardize my chances of getting one of the fine trophies w/ the apple on top.)

Dude! This is a street car!. I drive it everywhere. It is so far from a "Race Car" it isn't even funny. Even it it was (a race car), this is an Applebees parking lot show, NOT an NHRA event. It has a rollbar for the sole purpose of giving me a mount point for the 4 point harnesses that DONT EVEN COME WITH AN SFI RATING IN THE FIRST PLACE!. The missing rear legs are supplemented by tying the main hoop to the factory 3 pt harness upper mount point. I don't want the damn rear bars going into my trunk through the package tray! The "holes" in the fire wall go into the cowl, where the windshield washer hose used to go, and isn't that much of a "fire concern" for me.

I'd think you'd look at the obvious outside body modifications, the interior, and the overall theme I'm trying to convey.

He says back, "well I'm glad you said something, so I'll look at it differently".

When he walks away I'm kinda pissed. I have resigned myself to the fact I'm not gonna get jack, and stand around talking to the other attendees waiting for the judging to end.

There are a whopping 50 cars there. Easily a dozen or so 50k+ street rods.
Another 8-10 late model Mustangs, some sorry assed-Scions w/ the full compliment of scissor doors, hippy joe fluorescent blue lighting pouring out of every opening, multiple woofers booming out some gangsta-crack. Some un-molested model "A's" various street drivers, 5-7 choppers and my morphedite.
And the one car that stands out in the crowd for this one reason in my mind....A twin turbo 69 Camaro "show car" that when I question the owner why he didn't plumb the discharge(s) of the turbo's into an intercooler he replies that "He really doesn't know what I'm talking about, He just took the car to a local shop and that's what he paid them to build" Let's just call him Clueless deep pocket Joe.

I take a quick inventory, and see that I.S.C.A. Dude has expected alot more than he's got, because he's brought 28 trophies.

When the "Awards ceremonies" begin, they announce that there are actually 3 classes, and 28 Trophies: #1. The top 15 overall. #2 The top 10 2000 and up #3 Top Bike. #4 Applebees Managers' Choice, and #5 best in show. ( So basically, all you had to do was show up to this show to win,....well there still was the 50:50 odds to overcome)

The Bikes were awarded first (modest British applause)
The Top 15 came next. I am the 15th to receive my trophy ("Awarded "in No Particular order") I get the hug from the Applbee-ette, The handshake from The Applebee Manager, The Show Judge snaps a pic, yells something Sarcastic about it not being a racecar, and I graciously accept my award.
Reach inside my coat pocket and read from my prepared speech "I'd like to take a moment to thank all of the "little people" that made this day possible" (Naww, not really, but someday......)

A 30 Model A w/ a Cobra engine wins best of show, A Corvette tripped the Applebee's managers fancy.

We all pose for our pictures w/ appletrophies.

I jump in my "Race car" and drive it on Regular gas the 37 miles back home.

Me and my bad-assed top15 trophy w/ the apple on top.

So Now I know what to expect if/when I go to this February's Auto show. I think I'll be better prepared for the Judges next time................
I'll Be drunk.
 
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Well i didn't read all that, but the part about firewall holes, i've seen plenty of 9 second cars that still had them. The roll bar...well i guess Shelby's and SSP's are considered race cars, and their roll bars are improperly mounted since they only have a 2 point bar. Hell for that matter i guess modern cop cars are race cars too.

That guy is a tard.
 
I'm not exactly sure why you'd even waste your time entering a show of that nature at an Applebees, unless it was for sheer entertainment at the expense of the stupidity of the judges and the rest of the show field. I'd be offended at a guy like the one you described going over my car with a fine-toothed comb, as it's painfully evident that he has no idea what he's looking at. I may have smashed the meaningless "you're one of 15 people who decided to show up today" trophy on the ground as soon as he handed it to me, followed by a smokey burnout.
 
Should have walked inside the "fine dining" establishment and started pointing out all the reasons why it sucks.

"Look here, this hasnt been cleaned under in days" " look at this bitch who hasnt taken our drink orders in 15 minutes" and as your wiz in the corner "you smell that, obviously im going to have to dock you since it smells like a truck stop and obviously the food is the same"

My car is a race car and i, wait for it, wait for it, have holes in the firewall. Cause, well **** has to go somewhere into the dash for stuff, like i dunno, gauges, wiring harness, etc.
 
I didn't know what to expect. One of my friends called and told me that they were having the show and giving away "a bunch a cool prizes!"

I will try to attend all ford/mustang events in the future. At least the average attendee knows what was once under the skin.
 
Shows are funny. Back when I was hitting every show I could with my '86 Capri, all I got was 2 third places out of like 10 shows... and just when I thought my car was ugly, I was in an All Fords show that was participant judged... and took a first! What that told me was the judges at previous shows were morons... but when it came to being judged by fellow Ford loving peers, my Capri was a winner.

The guy who was feeding you all the BS about your car sounds like the typical judge who doesn't have a clue what he's looking at. I suggest you enter a participant judged All Fords show like I did... only then will you get a true assesment of where your car ranks.
 
Shows are funny. Back when I was hitting every show I could with my '86 Capri, all I got was 2 third places out of like 10 shows... and just when I thought my car was ugly, I was in an All Fords show that was participant judged... and took a first! What that told me was the judges at previous shows were morons... but when it came to being judged by fellow Ford loving peers, my Capri was a winner.

The guy who was feeding you all the BS about your car sounds like the typical judge who doesn't have a clue what he's looking at. I suggest you enter a participant judged All Fords show like I did... only then will you get a true assesment of where your car ranks.

I've only recently been to auto shows. On all previous endeavors, I've never considered anything I had worthy of people paying to see it. This car is only worthy of people wanting to see it because of the obvious, not because of any chrome plated fender bolts, or because some judge decides that there was dirt in my wheel well.
 
I figured out cruise nights are just as good as shows, and are free! They also do not screw up the whole Sat. So I go there and got away from wanting to be in shows.

Also, I realize I am not good at making cars pretty and shiny. Fast, maybe.

But, the guy did have some good points, and sounded just like a track tech guy. Have been told about holes in the firewall, no plastic bottle brackets, bulkhead connector for the vent line, etc. Have tags on my harness (used it once :( ), roll bar installed by a race shop, etc.

But as far as numbers matching, bolt logos all lined up, I just don't have a big interest in that.

But I love to look at other peoples stuff!!! So keep it up~!
 
Car shows have become a joke to me, the last one i went to was raising money for a good cause so i showed up, but i hate having my car judged by a stranger, who dosent know what they are looking it at. I must have been asked 15 times why i didnt do a rear seat delete. I built my car for myself and i enjoy the cruise night atmosphere alot more than the car show scene around here. Its just a bunch of rice in this area anyways.

What i do think is funny about people that look at my car is, that with the thousands and thousands of dollars i have put into the car, the thing that gets the most attention is the Coors Original can that was worth 5 cents until i cut the top off of it and used it as a windshield wiper motor cover.
 
Car shows have become a joke to me, the last one i went to was raising money for a good cause so i showed up, but i hate having my car judged by a stranger, who dosent know what they are looking it at. I must have been asked 15 times why i didnt do a rear seat delete. I built my car for myself and i enjoy the cruise night atmosphere alot more than the car show scene around here. Its just a bunch of rice in this area anyways.

What i do think is funny about people that look at my car is, that with the thousands and thousands of dollars i have put into the car, the thing that gets the most attention is the Coors Original can that was worth 5 cents until i cut the top off of it and used it as a windshield wiper motor cover.

its what i remember most about your car, lol.
 
Well there is one last event this year that I'll attend. In Panama City Fla. they have a big one (3000 cars) happening today thru Saturday. From what I remember as a spectator, and from what I can see from the web site, it's geared more at the Poly grip crowd. Bunch a junk like sock hops, do wop, and poodle skirts. They have Linda Vaughn ( Ms. Hurst Golden Shifter) as a featured guest. :rolleyes: Yeah, "Golden" is about right, the woman is so old I'll bet she's had both her hips replaced. It is open to all years though, So I will make this my one last effort for the year.

I really am looking forward to either Mustang week, or the Power Tour, as they are both way more than a car show, but that stuff is 8 months away, and after the thing taking up all year just to build, I'm looking for any excuse I can to drive it.

I did build it to drive, and Panama City is 240 miles away, so I'll be able to get the enjoyment outta just doing that. The Peanut farmers are having their annual "Peanut Festival" in Dothan, AL. Which is on the way, maybe I'll stop by and get a look at one of the big assed cows that the local 4H will have on display.

Yeah, thats what I'll do. Stop by Kinkos and have a "Certified Big-Assed Cow Judge" badge made up, Go in posing as a certified 4H judge. Then I'll go in and Pick apart Jeeters Prize Hereford.

"Uhh Jeeter, I'm not trying to be a hard ass or nothing, but the nuts on your bull are not up to spec, They appear to be too small and one is hanging way lower than the other. Also I couldn't help but notice that one of his horns is pointing at an irregular angle"... And while I'm at it, he doesn't seem to have a deep enough moo in his moo when you poke him w/ this stick.":stick:

Then I'll go to Enterprise AL, and stop by the center of town and take a pic of my car in front of the Boll Weevil Monument, ( A statue of this Greek looking bitch holding up a big bug over her head).:shrug:

Stop by one of the veggie/fruit stands along the way, and get me some boiled peanuts, and head on down to the beach.:nice:
 
I stopped doing shows a long time ago when I witnessed a bone stock 2003 Mach 1 with 50 miles on it win in a 96-01 Cobra class because there wasn't a Mach 1 class. From that point on, i realized car shows are not fair.