help with carb fuel setup

Okay guys i fix the isue with my carb got it to idle just were i whant to and i think i set the idle screws just right. when i did my carb conversion i kept the stock efi fuel pump and just ran a carb fuel regulator.Well know the reg is not being very accurate it reads like 9 psi one day the next 6 and sometines even 3.so i decided to do right im be using a electric fuel pump kit from jegs and a fuel pickup tube. my question is the pickup tube has a return style tube also will i need that or can i just cap it off. As far as i know it will be going from the tube trew the pump into the engine compartment to the reg and finally to the carb correct me if i wrong but whant to do it right this time.




heres the the fuel kit that im geting http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+Performance+Products/555/100804/10002/-1

and here is the pick up tube http://www.ebay.com/itm/190634642986?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
 
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Okay guys, I fixed the issue with my carb, and got it to idle just where I want it to. I think I set the idle screws just right. When I did my carb conversion, I kept the stock efi fuel pump, and just ran a carb fuel regulator. Well now the reg is not being very accurate, and it reads like 9 psi one day, the next day 6, and sometimes even 3. I decided to it do right this time. I'm using an electric fuel pump kit from Jegs, and a fuel pickup tube. My question is about the pickup tube. It has a return style tube. Will I need that, or can I just cap it off? As far as I know, it will be going from the tube, through the pump, into the engine compartment, to the reg, and finally to the carb. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I want to do it right this time.

(You told me to correct you if you were wrong,.....so I did)

As for your problem:

After looking at the stuff you have listed, it appears that your fuel delivery problems will be solved w/ those two items. The return line can be capped off. There also needs to be some sort of tank "vent" so that vapors can get out of the tank, and the pump can work properly.
You cannot use that return line for a vent, as it will be submerged.
 
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It should have a small push in with a vent line that comes off of it next to where the fuel pump is. There is a black plastic line that runs to the front to the charcoal canister which is suppose to be on the passenger side of the car in the engine bay down off the frame rail.
 
Yeah still there guys.So let me ket this straight the new kit i whant to get would work on my car mount the fuel pump somewere under the bumper were it shows "i kind think that makes the car look beefy from the back"run a line from the pump to the reg somere in the engine bay from the other port straight to the carb wire it up cap the return tube and were golden right.
 
Yeah still there guys.So let me ket this straight the new kit i whant to get would work on my car mount the fuel pump somewere under the bumper were it shows "i kind think that makes the car look beefy from the back"run a line from the pump to the reg somere in the engine bay from the other port straight to the carb wire it up cap the return tube and were golden right.

By the numbers:
1. From the tank
2. To the filter
3. To the pump ( mount it where it looks most beefy, usually at the rear lower than the tank itself)
4. To the regulator
5. To the carb.
6. Golden
 
I'll spare you the usual rant I post when I hear someome has converted an EFI Mustang to carb...:(

This is were you are now:
Do not use an EFI in tank fuel pump with a carb. You will never get the pressure/flow regulated properly. If the add on pressure regulator fails, you will flood the engine with gas and wash all the oil off the cylinder walls. That will cost you big time $$$. Either go full EFI or use a tank/fuel pump/fuel lines out of an 84 or earlier Stang. Fabricating your own setup is possible but there are some snags to overcome.

Do not attempt to leave the EFI computer in place in an attempt to control either the electric fuel pump or ignition. Doing so qualifies you for the “Road Kill Mechanics Award”.

If you try to use your current tank, you will need to pull the fuel pump out and fabricate a pickup tube & strainer sock to replace the fuel pump. Or you can have a sump fabricated and welded onto you existing tank. Many welding shops will not weld fuel tanks because of the dangers involved if the tank isn't purged properly.

You will need an external electric fuel pump unless you change the timing cover for one with the mechanical fuel pump mount on it. Rip all the EFI wiring out, and the computer controlled fuel pump won't work. You will need to add a relay & switch and wire in the existing inertia switch for an external low pressure electric fuel pump. Do not try to wire the fuel pump without the relay. The 15-20 amps the pump pulls will overload the circuit. This will take power away from other items on the same circuit or cause the fuse or fuse link to blow.

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You will need to run some new fuel feed lines or braided hose. The 3/8" aluminum tubing works well, but you will need a flaring tool and bending springs to fabricate the lines. Braided hose is easy to run and route, but is much more expensive. It is about $3.50-$4.00 a foot plus the end fittings, which are $3-$4 each. Fabricating hose assembles can be difficult, but anyplace that makes hydraulic hoses can do it for you for an extra charge. See http://www.amazonhose.com for more information.

For some help fabricating your own stainless steel hose assemblies, see
http://www.turbinefun.com/Stainless_Braided_Hose_Assembly.asp

For stainless steel braided hose and fittings for automotive use:

See http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=stainless steel hose&dds=1
http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=stainless steel hose&dds=1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stor...hall&searchTerm=stainless+steel+hose&x=18&y=4

See http://www.aeroquip.com/pages/performance.html for more information on High performance automotive hose products

AN fittings require a 37 degree flaring tool. A standard automotive or household plumbing tool is 45 degrees and cannot be used with AN flare fittings. If you do, the flare is subjected to too much stress when the fitting is tightened, and is likely to fail or leak.

See http://www.mscdirect.com/ , http://www.mcmaster.com/ or for the flaring tool you will need . Prices start at $85 and go up

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000013509163
7478363-11.jpg


http://www.mcmaster.com/#flaring-tools/=b4fxc3
2721ap1l.gif


Last time I was in Summit racing, they had a 37 degree flaring tool for less than $40. It may or may not be a catalog item.

While you are at the electrical part, you'll need a Duraspark or similar ignition system. The 85 Mustang GT 5 speed has a suitable Duraspark distributor with a steel gear compatible with the roller camshaft. The EFI ignition depends on the EFI sensors to advance the spark. Rip out the TPS and MAP/Baro sensors and the computer will have no idea of the proper ignition timing for best performance. Running a fixed timing setting is only for test purposes or for a race track only car. Don't try it on the street: the results will not be nearly as good as a properly setup Duraspark or equal. Crane makes a really nice distributor for non-EFI applications. . See http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show=browseParts&lvl=4&prt=127 for more information. Cost is about $400, which makes the 85 Mustang reman units look really appealing.

Tools needed:
Crimp tool for connector pins $9-$30 AutoZone, NAPA, Advance Auto Parts or other store
100-150 watt soldering gun (recommend WELLER 8200PK soldering gun kit 100/140W) $30 at Lowes or $40 at Home Depot
3/32”-1/8” rosin core electrical solder, 1/4 lb roll $6 at Ace Hardware, Home Depot or Lowes
Assorted sizes of heat shrink tubing. Buy long pieces and cut length to fit. It is cheaper that way. http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&WebPage_ID=346&CFID=169547&CFTOKEN=34300345
Hot air gun to shrink the tubing ($30-$40) Home Depot
Jeweler’s screwdriver kit $5 at Ace Hardware
Assorted automotive wire, 18-16 gauge 10’-20’ foot spools in different colors. $5 a roll at Advance Auto Parts.
Ford connector pins AutoZone, NAPA or other store $5-$10 for a kit of 10-12 assorted pins

You will have $110-$150 in materials and tools if you don't already have them.

The water temp and oil pressure signals feed from the sender to the main harness through the 10 pin EFI engine harness. To utilize these senders, you need to identify the wires and find a way to reconnect them to the main harness after the EFI engine harness is removed. You need a weatherproof quick connector to join the sender wiring to the main harness.

See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.
salt-pepper-10-pin-connectors-65-jpg.68512

The injector power pin is the VPWR pin in the black 10 pin connector.


You will need to construct a wiring harness from the ‘85 carb distributor to the Duraspark box if you go Duraspark, or other distributor to coil wiring.
The voltmeter picks up its signal from the switched voltage present on the instrument panel, so you don’t need to worry about that.

The fuel tank gauge is also independent of the computer wiring.

AutoZone wiring diagrams can be found if you are willing to dig through the self help repair section of their website. http://www.autozone.com/autozone/re...3835D6CFF5E3A5037BBBD332CF445FF.diyprod2-b2c3

How to solder like a pro - http://oldfuelinjection.com/?p=7 a must read for any automotive wiring job.

Soldering pigtails onto existing pins is road kill quality work as far as I am concerned. Take some time to study the way the Ford connectors are assembled and you will find that a small jeweler’s screwdriver will release the pins from the connector shell. New pins and a crimping tool are available from the Standard Motor Parts or Bendix Electrical parts line that the NAPA & Bumper to Bumper Auto Parts stores carry. Ask any auto parts store about Standard Motor Products or Bendix Electrical wiring parts. Those that carry them will be able to get the parts you need. AutoZone has a cheap kit with 10 pins for about $5. Just enough pins to leave you short when assembling a connector.

One of the interesting things about the Ford OEM wiring diagrams is that the connector shape on the drawing matches the connector shape in the car. That makes it easier to identify connectors and circuits. OEM Ford diagrams are available at for an 85 Mustang at http://www.helminc.com/helm/Result....edia=&mscsid=2M838NG3R5SR2MCS00A3HVE05T03C501 or can be found in the Chilton series of auto repair manuals for Mustangs.

The following is an excellent idea from a fellow Stangnetter who tackled the wiring plan the right way. He obtained the wiring diagrams from an 85 carb'd V8 Mustang and laid them out side by side with the diagrams from his car. He then traced out each circuit and the wire colors and connectors associated with them. After tracing the circuit and connectors for a circuit, he laid out the changes he needed to make. One circuit at a time made a difficult big job into many smaller easy to manage jobs.

Copied from pikapp33
I recently changed my EFI mustang back to carb with MSD ignition, to save some money and go for a more simplistic approach. I researched, and found the best stock type distributor to use was from an 83 Bronco 5.0, which is a Duraspark (magnetic pickup, same as what MSD dists use), making it possible to use the 2 wire MSD trigger input, and also has a steel gear to work with the EFI hyd roller cam.

I chose to use a Richporter FD30 ($85). Then added a BWD C194A Cap Adapter ($12) to use the Fox style dist cap/wires (the Richporter comes with cap/rotor, which I didn't use; other brands come without and are cheaper, but have a core as well; no core on this one). And then a BWD D166 rotor ($6) to match the cap adapter. I also chose to buy the MSD 8869 adapter wire ($20ish) to connect the dist to the MSD harness for my 6AL. All together about $125, much cheaper than the MSD billet dists, and am very happy with the quality of the the dist and the way the setup worked out.
 
This is were you are now:
Do not use an EFI in tank fuel pump with a carb. You will never get the pressure/flow regulated properly. If the add on pressure regulator fails, you will flood the engine with gas and wash all the oil off the cylinder walls. That will cost you big time $$$. Either go full EFI or use a tank/fuel pump/fuel lines out of an 84 or earlier Stang. Fabricating your own setup is possible but there are some snags to overcome.

Do not attempt to leave the EFI computer in place in an attempt to control either the electric fuel pump or ignition. Doing so qualifies you for the “Road Kill Mechanics Award”.

If you try to use your current tank, you will need to pull the fuel pump out and fabricate a pickup tube & strainer sock to replace the fuel pump. Or you can have a sump fabricated and welded onto you existing tank. Many welding shops will not weld fuel tanks because of the dangers involved if the tank isn't purged properly.

You will need an external electric fuel pump unless you change the timing cover for one with the mechanical fuel pump mount on it. Rip all the EFI wiring out, and the computer controlled fuel pump won't work. You will need to add a relay & switch and wire in the existing inertia switch for an external low pressure electric fuel pump. Do not try to wire the fuel pump without the relay. The 15-20 amps the pump pulls will overload the circuit. This will take power away from other items on the same circuit or cause the fuse or fuse link to blow.

attachment.php


You will need to run some new fuel feed lines or braided hose. The 3/8" aluminum tubing works well, but you will need a flaring tool and bending springs to fabricate the lines. Braided hose is easy to run and route, but is much more expensive. It is about $3.50-$4.00 a foot plus the end fittings, which are $3-$4 each. Fabricating hose assembles can be difficult, but anyplace that makes hydraulic hoses can do it for you for an extra charge. See http://www.amazonhose.com for more information.

For some help fabricating your own stainless steel hose assemblies, see
http://www.turbinefun.com/Stainless_Braided_Hose_Assembly.asp

For stainless steel braided hose and fittings for automotive use:

See http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=stainless steel hose&dds=1
http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=stainless steel hose&dds=1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/KeywordSearchCmd?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&N=0&Ntt=stainless steel hose&Ntk=all&Nty=1&D=stainless steel hose&Ntx=mode+matchall&Dx=mode+matchall&searchTerm=stainless steel hose&x=18&y=4

See http://www.aeroquip.com/pages/performance.html for more information on High performance automotive hose products

AN fittings require a 37 degree flaring tool. A standard automotive or household plumbing tool is 45 degrees and cannot be used with AN flare fittings. If you do, the flare is subjected to too much stress when the fitting is tightened, and is likely to fail or leak.

See http://www.mscdirect.com/ , http://www.mcmaster.com/ or for the flaring tool you will need . Prices start at $85 and go up

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000013509163
7478363-11.jpg


http://www.mcmaster.com/#flaring-tools/=b4fxc3
2721ap1l.gif


Last time I was in Summit racing, they had a 37 degree flaring tool for less than $40. It may or may not be a catalog item.

While you are at the electrical part, you'll need a Duraspark or similar ignition system. The 85 Mustang GT 5 speed has a suitable Duraspark distributor with a steel gear compatible with the roller camshaft. The EFI ignition depends on the EFI sensors to advance the spark. Rip out the TPS and MAP/Baro sensors and the computer will have no idea of the proper ignition timing for best performance. Running a fixed timing setting is only for test purposes or for a race track only car. Don't try it on the street: the results will not be nearly as good as a properly setup Duraspark or equal. Crane makes a really nice distributor for non-EFI applications. . See http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show=browseParts&lvl=4&prt=127 for more information. Cost is about $400, which makes the 85 Mustang reman units look really appealing.

Tools needed:
Crimp tool for connector pins $9-$30 AutoZone, NAPA, Advance Auto Parts or other store
100-150 watt soldering gun (recommend WELLER 8200PK soldering gun kit 100/140W) $30 at Lowes or $40 at Home Depot
3/32”-1/8” rosin core electrical solder, 1/4 lb roll $6 at Ace Hardware, Home Depot or Lowes
Assorted sizes of heat shrink tubing. Buy long pieces and cut length to fit. It is cheaper that way. http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&WebPage_ID=346&CFID=169547&CFTOKEN=34300345
Hot air gun to shrink the tubing ($30-$40) Home Depot
Jeweler’s screwdriver kit $5 at Ace Hardware
Assorted automotive wire, 18-16 gauge 10’-20’ foot spools in different colors. $5 a roll at Advance Auto Parts.
Ford connector pins AutoZone, NAPA or other store $5-$10 for a kit of 10-12 assorted pins

You will have $110-$150 in materials and tools if you don't already have them.

The water temp and oil pressure signals feed from the sender to the main harness through the 10 pin EFI engine harness. To utilize these senders, you need to identify the wires and find a way to reconnect them to the main harness after the EFI engine harness is removed. You need a weatherproof quick connector to join the sender wiring to the main harness.

See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.
salt-pepper-10-pin-connectors-65-jpg.68512

The injector power pin is the VPWR pin in the black 10 pin connector.

You will need to construct a wiring harness from the ‘85 carb distributor to the Duraspark box if you go Duraspark, or other distributor to coil wiring.
The voltmeter picks up its signal from the switched voltage present on the instrument panel, so you don’t need to worry about that.

The fuel tank gauge is also independent of the computer wiring.

AutoZone wiring diagrams can be found if you are willing to dig through the self help repair section of their website. http://www.autozone.com/autozone/re...3835D6CFF5E3A5037BBBD332CF445FF.diyprod2-b2c3

How to solder like a pro - http://oldfuelinjection.com/?p=7 a must read for any automotive wiring job.

Soldering pigtails onto existing pins is road kill quality work as far as I am concerned. Take some time to study the way the Ford connectors are assembled and you will find that a small jeweler’s screwdriver will release the pins from the connector shell. New pins and a crimping tool are available from the Standard Motor Parts or Bendix Electrical parts line that the NAPA & Bumper to Bumper Auto Parts stores carry. Ask any auto parts store about Standard Motor Products or Bendix Electrical wiring parts. Those that carry them will be able to get the parts you need. AutoZone has a cheap kit with 10 pins for about $5. Just enough pins to leave you short when assembling a connector.

One of the interesting things about the Ford OEM wiring diagrams is that the connector shape on the drawing matches the connector shape in the car. That makes it easier to identify connectors and circuits. OEM Ford diagrams are available at for an 85 Mustang at http://www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?Style=&Mfg=FMC&Make=FCT&Model=MUST&Year=1985&Category=&Keyword=&Module=&selected_media=&mscsid=2M838NG3R5SR2MCS00A3HVE05T03C501 or can be found in the Chilton series of auto repair manuals for Mustangs.

The following is an excellent idea from a fellow Stangnetter who tackled the wiring plan the right way. He obtained the wiring diagrams from an 85 carb'd V8 Mustang and laid them out side by side with the diagrams from his car. He then traced out each circuit and the wire colors and connectors associated with them. After tracing the circuit and connectors for a circuit, he laid out the changes he needed to make. One circuit at a time made a difficult big job into many smaller easy to manage jobs.

Copied from pikapp33
I recently changed my EFI mustang back to carb with MSD ignition, to save some money and go for a more simplistic approach. I researched, and found the best stock type distributor to use was from an 83 Bronco 5.0, which is a Duraspark (magnetic pickup, same as what MSD dists use), making it possible to use the 2 wire MSD trigger input, and also has a steel gear to work with the EFI hyd roller cam.

I chose to use a Richporter FD30 ($85). Then added a BWD C194A Cap Adapter ($12) to use the Fox style dist cap/wires (the Richporter comes with cap/rotor, which I didn't use; other brands come without and are cheaper, but have a core as well; no core on this one). And then a BWD D166 rotor ($6) to match the cap adapter. I also chose to buy the MSD 8869 adapter wire ($20ish) to connect the dist to the MSD harness for my 6AL. All together about $125, much cheaper than the MSD billet dists, and am very happy with the quality of the the dist and the way the setup worked out.

I'll spare you the usual rant I post when I hear someome has converted an EFI Mustang to carb...:(
You mean, you were gonna add more to this?:lol:
 
You mean, you were gonna add more to this?:lol:
We all have things that we feel are sacrilegious to do to perfectly good Mustangs: mine is EFI to carb conversions. I was feeling gracious tonight, so I left off the insults and rude comments about carb to EFI conversions since he has already done the deed...
 
We all have things that we feel are sacrilegious to do to perfectly good Mustangs: mine is EFI to carb conversions. I was feeling gracious tonight, so I left off the insults and rude comments about carb to EFI conversions since he has already done the deed...
We all have things we feel are sacrilegeous when done to a perfectly good Mustang?

Hmm,....Let me check my list:

Carb from efi conversion........ No, doesn't bother me.
Manual rack in place of Power........No, doesn't bother me.
Manual brakes in place of power........No, doesn't bother me.
Eliminating the factory ECU in favor of an ignition only aftermarket piece.... No, got no issue there either.
Major body alterations to include completely getting rid of the aero front end,body side moldings, and factory tail lights, in favor of some home made front and rear fascia using body parts from a model 31 years earlier.......Dont have a problem there either.
2 valve mod motor swaps.....Seems like the thing to do.

Geez, Jrichker, I really don't have too many things left to do to a mustang that I think are sacrilegious that I haven't already done to my own car.:shrug:
 
We all have things we feel are sacrilegeous when done to a perfectly good Mustang?

Hmm,....Let me check my list:

Carb from efi conversion........ No, doesn't bother me.
Manual rack in place of Power........No, doesn't bother me.
Manual brakes in place of power........No, doesn't bother me.
Eliminating the factory ECU in favor of an ignition only aftermarket piece.... No, got no issue there either.
Major body alterations to include completely getting rid of the aero front end,body side moldings, and factory tail lights, in favor of some home made front and rear fascia using body parts from a model 31 years earlier.......Dont have a problem there either.
2 valve mod motor swaps.....Seems like the thing to do.

Geez, Jrichker, I really don't have too many things left to do to a mustang that I think are sacrilegious that I haven't already done to my own car.:shrug:

Your car is an orginal work of art, not just something done because someone wasn't up to doing excellent work. I see true evidence of the excellence of the artist and craftsman in the work that you have posted here.