hard pull miss

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Under hard pulls, I am getting miss that is most noticeable in 2nd from 4000 rpm and up. :notnice: Normal and highway driving it is not there. I just changed the plugs, wires, cap. rotor and coil and the issue did not go away.

when I pull codes, I get the following:

KOEO - 23
Running -23 and 33
CM - 33 and 96

would really appreciate any help or input...
 
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OK Cleared codes. Only getting CM of 33 and 96. KOEO and running are both 11. Still have the miss.

Code 23 - TPS was reading 1.28 (beats the heck out of me how it got there). Reset it to .99
Code 33 - EGR vacumm line was bad. Replaced it.
 
The TFI module mounted on the distributor is usually the culprit for a high speed miss on a warm engine. If the problem does not occur when the engine is cold, the TFI module is definitely suspect. You may need a special socket to remove the TFI module, but most auto parts stores will have one for $5-$7.

Be sure to use plenty of the heat sink grease on the new TFI and clean the old grease off the distributor.

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Thanks... Does it hot or cold. Maybe if I took an hour trip it would get worse... For the 30ish in cost I will replace the TFI. The TFI was on there when I bought the car 12 years ago, so it may be the orginal, who knows. I also checked the timing which was @ 14. Knocked it back down to 10.

Just for good measure, I am also going to replace the fuel filter. Could the O2 sensors be an issue?
 
Thanks... Does it hot or cold. Maybe if I took an hour trip it would get worse... For the 30ish in cost I will replace the TFI. The TFI was on there when I bought the car 12 years ago, so it may be the orginal, who knows. I also checked the timing which was @ 14. Knocked it back down to 10.

Just for good measure, I am also going to replace the fuel filter. Could the O2 sensors be an issue?

Bad O2 sensors would have set code 41/91 or code 42/92
 
replaced the TFI and it is better, but I would swear that it is still missing. But the fact that I am not 100% sure is a big improvement. I will put her away for this weekend and get a buddy to take a ride with me next time I take her out to let another set of ears and butt-0-meter see what they think..

Thanks for the help jrichker...
 
I did a tune up to my car way back when it was stock and had a problem like this. Car had a noticeable surge while under hard acceleration. Turns out it was a cheap cap and rotor from Auto Zone. I put Ford pieces back on and the problem went away.
 
I never did make the miss go completely away... It got much better after a full tuneup: new TFI, plugs & wires, cap, rotor, fuel filter and timing but never completely went away. Being that the car is toy, I basically have just been ignoring it. Well, I was out for a drive last week and noticed that the car was missing while on the highway which is new and was running very hot... When I left the house, there was not a problem as some guy in Volvo R thought he could keep up with me on the on ramp and I smoked him. She now misses under any load, even very light acceleration. when parked, the car idles fine and revs without issues.

I just pulled the codes and got KOEOff 33, which makes sense as the vacumm line was off the EGR. KOEON I get code 11 which is normal. I need to check the fuel presure (gotta buy the gage). Could a week pump cause this? Also, how do you check the fuel presure while driving? I think that I will need to do that if the presure is ok while parked............
 
Cylinder balance test: use this to find dead or weak cylinders:

Revised 25 March 2012 to add necessity allowing the KOEO tests to finish before starting the engine and the need for a properly functioning IAB/IAC to run the cylinder balance test.

The computer has a cylinder balance test that helps locate cylinder with low power output. You’ll need to dump the codes out of the computer and make sure that you have the A/C off, clutch depressed to the floor and the transmission in neutral. Fail to do this and you can’t do the engine running dump codes test that allows you to do the cylinder balance test.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C clutch depressed to the floor, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.


Here's how to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

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If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and drivability problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, clutch depressed to the floor and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Cylinder balance test

If you have idle or IAC/IAB problems and the engine will not idle on its own without mechanically adjusting the base idle speed above 625-750 RPM, this test will fail with random cylinders pointed out every time it runs. The IAC/IAB must be capable of controlling the engine speed to run in the 1400-1600 RPM range. Playing with the base idle speed by adjusting it upwards will not work, the computer has to be able to control the engine speed using the IAC/IAB.

Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Let it finish the Key On Engine Off (KOEO) code dump. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. Remember to keep the clutch pedal (5 speed) depressed to the floor during the test. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures.
Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure


Do a compression test on all the cylinders.
Take special note of any cylinder that shows up as weak in the cylinder balance test. Low compression on one of these cylinders rules out the injectors as being the most likely cause of the problem. Look at cylinders that fail the cylinder balance test but have good compression. These cylinders either have a bad injector, bad spark plug or spark plug wire. Move the wire and then the spark plug to another cylinder and run the cylinder balance test again. If it follows the moved wire or spark plug, you have found the problem. If the same cylinder fails the test again, the injector is bad. If different cylinders fail the cylinder balance test, you have ignition problems or wiring problems in the 10 pin black & white electrical connectors located by the EGR.

How to do a compression test:
Only use a compression tester with a screw in adapter for the spark plug hole. The other type leaks too much to get an accurate reading. Your local auto parts store may have a compression tester to rent. If you do mechanic work on your own car on a regular basis, it would be a good tool to add to your collection.

With the engine warmed up, remove all spark plugs and prop the throttle wide open, crank the engine until it the gage reading stops increasing. On a cold engine, it will be hard to tell what's good & what's not. Some of the recent posts have numbers ranging from 140-170 psi. If the compression is low, squirt some oil in the cylinder and do it again – if it comes up, the rings are worn. There should be no more than 10% difference between cylinders. Use a blow down leak test (puts compressed air inside cylinders) on cylinders that have more than 10% difference.

See the link to my site for details on how to build your own blow down type compression tester.
 
Thick Film Ignition (TFI) modules is the only name I know.

Ignition module or ignition control module seems to be the universal term used by the parts guys - it covers Ford, Chevy and a lot of other cars.

I usually look up the parts I want online, print out the pages and take them to the auto parts store. That gives the the parts guys something to go by.
 
Well... replaced the fuel pressure regulater with an adjustable, cleaned all four salt and pepper shakers (1990 had the extentions), cleaned throttle body, torqued lower and upper intake bolts, cleaned egr, set fuel presure to 40 psi. Car is now fixed....

During this, I did discover that two of my spark plug boots (on the new wires) have been burned by the headers and are shorting. Guess I need to get angled boots..... so much for the new plug wires with 200 miles on them...:(
 
Also discovered that the air pump hose that goes to the h-pipe fitting has a hole burned in it. It is the 90 degree hose that comes out of the bottom of a soleniod (I think) and hooks into the hard pipe that runs down the exhaust h-pipe. Anybody know the part number of this or where to get one?
 
Also discovered that the air pump hose that goes to the h-pipe fitting has a hole burned in it. It is the 90 degree hose that comes out of the bottom of a soleniod (I think) and hooks into the hard pipe that runs down the exhaust h-pipe. Anybody know the part number of this or where to get one?
i "might" have one at home... might. let me look later and i will let you know.