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Clarify it for me then,...Do you think that you should be able to go out and buy one of the guns listed on the website?
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Clarify it for me then,...Do you think that you should be able to go out and buy one of the guns listed on the website?
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ummm......part of me says yes, only because the constitution says it's a right. If you make it illegal to own an assault weapon, the anti-gun folks say "well why should we stop there?" Its the whole give em an inch and take a mile saying that gets me worried.
The other half is screaming "WHAT THE F*** DO YOU NEED THAT FOR???"
All I can think of is:
1) D**k extension (also read Corvette)
2) Zombie Apocalypse
<scratches head>
3)...
I can also justify owning a handgun for home defense. If I had the spare dough, I'd buy a decent 9mm and call it a day. Car parts take priority though.
I really enjoy bird hunting and shooting crap just to see it blow up. The three guns mentioned in my previous post satisfy all of those jollies.
The other half is screaming "WHAT THE F*** DO YOU NEED THAT FOR???"
All I can think of is:
1) D**k extension (also read Corvette)
2) Zombie Apocalypse
<scratches head>
3)...
I can also justify owning a handgun for home defense. If I had the spare dough, I'd buy a decent 9mm and call it a day. Car parts take priority though.
I really enjoy bird hunting and shooting crap just to see it blow up. The three guns mentioned in my previous post satisfy all of those jollies.
but guns are beside the point. What do YOU attribute the high gas prices to? I hardly think the root cause is a repulicrat issue... Hey, I like that - republicrat. I think that no matter who is in office, it will be a ridiculous stalemate anyway (like Mike eluded to above) so we may as well just all become republicrats.
Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'm half-way around the world on a boat that is ---- can ya guess? - LOOKING FOR MORE OIL!!! Wonder if any of it will make it into my tank?
Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'm half-way around the world on a boat that is ---- can ya guess? - LOOKING FOR MORE OIL!!! Wonder if any of it will make it into my tank?
Call me a conspiracy alarmist:
It can be argued that the economy is recovering. (I for one believe that it is) I just find it interesting that in an election year when it comes to combating an incumbent democrat, ...having an "improving economy"" is a high hurdle for a publican to jump. Now when you can claim that gas prices are at an all time high, it becomes beneficial for those "powers that be"
Environmental lobbies, in country gas/oil drilling/production lobbyists, Big Oil companies, all in a position to possibly be hurt by a second democratic term,.....it behooves those "powers" to continue to influence "nervous" speculators to guess high when forecasting the price of a barrel of oil due to the instability of a region that only produces 2% of the global demand.
txstang84
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Because I believe most of us are at least somewhat adult here: Mike, I'd have to say you're a pretty well thought individual and I agree with you on many points when it comes to vehicles, but we're gonna disagree on firearms. I own several of the firearms you would likely classify as an assault weapon, and quite frankly it's none of your damn business what all I own when I acquired them legally; I keep and shoot them for recreation, historical, and competitive reasons (kinda like owning a particular vehicle). Mine or anyone else's affiliation with groups such as the NRA are also none of your concern until I become a ridiculous braggard about it. Guess what else? I'm a legal CHL holder...and despite being severely pizzed off at people for nearly taking my bumper off or flipping me the bird or insert a reason to get angry or want to go off on some tangent or rant like such as yours (which incidentally are quite entertaining), I've never thought about pulling out my G23 or my Kimber Pro Carry and removing them from the gene pool. I keep firearms for the above listed reasons, and for my, my family, and my belonging's protection. And in case you weren't aware, the original purpose for the right to keep and bear arms IS FOR DEFENSE period dot. That's a pretty broad term too...defense of one's self, defense of one's family, defense of one's legal property, defense of one's legal way of life from a common enemy, defense of one's legal way of life as defined by a governing document from a tyrannical government.
There are many people I know that I feel probably shouldn't be able to own firearms-mostly criminals-but since they don't follow laws (that's why we call them criminals-they are LAWLESS), I'd like a fighting chance at parity. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight, I'm not a martial artist, and I can't dodge speeding bullets. But at least I can have a chance at fighting back against some effin clown who decides he wants me dead to take whatever of mine he wants. Make no mistake Mike, I'm not a violent man, but I'll be damned if I allow some jackass to kill me just so he can get away with what I've worked hard to acquire. If you want to offer yourself to the generic pool of what are potential to become a victim, that's your business, but if you want to cast stones at people for owning firearms contrary to what you think we "should" or "should not" do, you might want to step out of your own glass house. I don't like idiots any more than the next well-grounded adult, and by that, I mean people who go out and decide to have a killing rampage, or get a severe case of road rage and decide to shoot someone in the face at point blank range (this happened in my town recently-and he was convicted of murder with a 70 year sentence). But, don't you dare lump me in with those lunatics...
You want to cast your opinion out for something that wasn't even related to the thread, fine-expect a response...you obviously feel pretty strongly about what you think other people should or shouldn't do, well maybe you should take a peek through a jail once or twice...or see what criminals actually do to innocent people who just like to drive their cars around or go get lunch with their families or go withdraw money from an ATM to buy a bottle of wine for their next dinner...tit for tat bud...
BTW, how you feel about firearms is something completely personal-and has nothing to do with political affiliation. IF you happen to share beliefs with a particular political group, that doesn't mean you like or dislike firearms...or think they should be banned or whatever...
There are many people I know that I feel probably shouldn't be able to own firearms-mostly criminals-but since they don't follow laws (that's why we call them criminals-they are LAWLESS), I'd like a fighting chance at parity. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight, I'm not a martial artist, and I can't dodge speeding bullets. But at least I can have a chance at fighting back against some effin clown who decides he wants me dead to take whatever of mine he wants. Make no mistake Mike, I'm not a violent man, but I'll be damned if I allow some jackass to kill me just so he can get away with what I've worked hard to acquire. If you want to offer yourself to the generic pool of what are potential to become a victim, that's your business, but if you want to cast stones at people for owning firearms contrary to what you think we "should" or "should not" do, you might want to step out of your own glass house. I don't like idiots any more than the next well-grounded adult, and by that, I mean people who go out and decide to have a killing rampage, or get a severe case of road rage and decide to shoot someone in the face at point blank range (this happened in my town recently-and he was convicted of murder with a 70 year sentence). But, don't you dare lump me in with those lunatics...
You want to cast your opinion out for something that wasn't even related to the thread, fine-expect a response...you obviously feel pretty strongly about what you think other people should or shouldn't do, well maybe you should take a peek through a jail once or twice...or see what criminals actually do to innocent people who just like to drive their cars around or go get lunch with their families or go withdraw money from an ATM to buy a bottle of wine for their next dinner...tit for tat bud...
BTW, how you feel about firearms is something completely personal-and has nothing to do with political affiliation. IF you happen to share beliefs with a particular political group, that doesn't mean you like or dislike firearms...or think they should be banned or whatever...
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It must be a pre requisite that in order to participate on a web forum (and to be one of the more vocal) you have to be republican.
I'm registered Democrat. I voted for Obama, and I hate (and still hate) GWB w/ a passion that makes any Obama hater pale by comparison.
Firstly, I am party to completely, and utterly hijacking the hell outta this thread.
Despite the choice I made in presidents, of the issues that define us as Democrat or Republican, I sway more to the republican side in my beliefs. I won't go into each detail on what I believe, but lets just say that I agree to most conservative values "with exceptions".
For instance: I agree. You have the right to own and bear arms. You can own hand guns, shotguns(for hunting) and any rifle designed (for hunting ) made. What you should not be able to own is any rifle intended to be put in the hands of the military for the sole purpose of "inflicting human casualties".
I "give" my half,....Despite the fact that all gun violence occurs w/ "approved" non-assault weapons, I still believe that it's the right of the people to own a gun. Cognizant of the fact that there are people out there right now that are legal, everyday folks that should NEVER have a hand gun in their purse, holster, or pocket. Put a gun in everybody's hand, and watch the violence escalate when an "argument" or a smart assed comment becomes a shooting. But like I said, I support the 2nd amendment,...with exceptions.
The other side, on the other hand, gives nothing. No exceptions. It's not enough to be able to own a 9mm composite Glock w/ a 30 round clip, you need an AK47, AR15 or any of the other weapons a google search can provide.
http://www.military.co.il/asg/Category_7.html
For "self defense".
Assault and self defense do not share the same meaning.
The NRA Mantra: "Guns don't kill people, people w/ guns kill people"
Well, yeah,....and then there's Bernie, who got called out for being a wimp by a co worker. Legal gun owner. Got pissed at a coworker and mowed down 6 people in his office because he was tired of taking s hit.
Bernie was a "future whack job". A time bomb that showed no outward evidence of his potential explosive yield. 40 years ago Bernie would've just hung himself. But now because it's so easy, Ole Bern just went into Dick's sporting Goods, filled out some paper work, and killed 6 people and himself 14 days later.
If there is a NRA supporting member that agrees w/ me on this, I'll be floored.
This is how come we view Washington and politicians as worthless, and all liars. They represent us. I put them there to support my beliefs, and you put them there to support yours. If I lose, and nothing gets done to support my beliefs you win, I elect another guy. My guys know that (as does yours). Because they don't wanna go home, and to be sure that they don't "lose the fight", they posture, and block. Compromise is a sign of weakness, and opens a door to more things being "taken away," so they dig in and refuse to move.
They tell us that it'll be different,....They tell us they can get it done,....Problem is,.... what you want, and what I want aren't always the same thing. It's why it's never gonna be different, and why nothing ever gets done.
The point I was trying to get across in my post is/was Romney is republican- Obama is a democrat, All are liars. You can tell they are doing it when you see their mouth moving.
Don't kid yourself by thinking they represent us- they don't. They put on a the facade that they represent us, then they follow the money-aka: lobbyists. They don't care about your interests, mine, or my neighbor's crazy mother's. All they care about is becoming rich, and the good of the country is no longer in question. It's sickening, but painfully obvious.
As far as owning guns not designed for hunting, or the ease of buying guns period, let's have a look at the past...
Here you can see that anyone could mail order, or buy guns over the counter until 1968 due to a gun control law. http://usgovinfo.about.com/blguntime.htm
40 years ago people didn't hold back from shooting rampages because of lack of weapons, everybody had one in their closet.. The reason that
didn't happen back then is because if you murdered someone, your ass fried in the electric chair or worked on a chain gang until you were dead. Now, you get an airconditioned cell with free food and cable TV, then you're out in ten years on good behavior. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with gun control.Now, assault weapons? Consider this. Remember the second world war? How do you think those poor folks in Europe felt when they were being overrun by Nazis? I'll bet every one of them wished they had a Thompson or an M1. We are very, very fortunate to have never had enemy troops land on our soil. Until 9-11 we had forgotten what it was like to be attacked, Pearl harbor was indeed a long time ago. Remember the feeling 9-11 gave you? Now imagine if Chinese paratroopers were landing in your backyard. Sure it sounds far fetched, but so did the world trade center disaster until it actually happened.
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT PEOPLE!!!!
Sure an AR-15 isn't going to do much good against MIGS with smart bombs, but we at least won't be totally helpless if it ever happens.
And no, I don't own assault weapons, just lots of hunting rifles, and shotguns. But you can bet your ass I want one.
EDIT: we HAVE had enemy troops on our soil, they were called the REDCOATS and we attacked them with MILITIA- AKA citizens with GUNS!!!
Edit #2: Do not bypass the language filter
I filled up yesterday at $4.29 for 92 premium.
I also believe that every single politician at the national level ( and most at a local level) is corrupt. You CANNOT get to be a national political figure without being corrupt and in someone else s pocket. Term limits might slow that down some, but probably not. It just stuns me to see the same crooks elected over and over again. Might have something to do with the fact that most people are less afraid of the devil they know than the devil they don't. But my bet is on the assumption that most people are idiots when it comes to these matters.
I also believe that every single politician at the national level ( and most at a local level) is corrupt. You CANNOT get to be a national political figure without being corrupt and in someone else s pocket. Term limits might slow that down some, but probably not. It just stuns me to see the same crooks elected over and over again. Might have something to do with the fact that most people are less afraid of the devil they know than the devil they don't. But my bet is on the assumption that most people are idiots when it comes to these matters.
To tell you the truth, I don't rightly know how I got so far down this road away from the original topic....guess I took a wrong turn somewhere.
I've already addressed people such as yourself that are level headed and responsible. Just because you are, doesn't mean that the schmuck down the street is as well. (Or the "picked on," bullied son of the schmuck down the street)
Because you would never consider selling your assault rifle to some highest bidder through the paper, or online doesn't mean that the same dude a block away won't do it when he cant make his mortgage, and doesn't care whether his buyer has a record as long as he has 900.00.
If your assault weapons are legal, and are semi automatic, how do they offer anymore security for you when the bad guy is in your house w/ a 9mm handgun w/ a 30 round clip pointed at your face? It's all about how fast you can pull the trigger isn't it?
Seems to me I'd prefer the ease of movement the handgun offers when protecting my home, property, and family.
I know neither of us are gonna change our minds despite each others' rant. So I'll end on this:
We smoke um peace pipe. We shoot um shi t. We leave um heap big talk for chiefs and medicine men.
How.
Prices are going up and up and up...
Nothing much I can honestly do about it, I live walking / biking distance from public transit to work (powered by diesel trains so tickets will go up too). My beater is a 4 banger FWD turd that gets over 30mpg on the highways and not too bad in the city and we (GF and I) plan our outings so we can do all the errands we need to do in one shot. I could "in theory" get rid of all cars although the beater comes in handy when I need it and the 'stang can rot in the garage before I give it up. With that said, high energy costs will ultimately increase cost of life for everyone because our countries (USA and CANADA) are too dependant on infrastructure designed in the 50's and most likely paid for by the big 3 automakers and big oil to further their profits.
We need government to invest in good public transit, subways, light rails, and high speed trains. I'm being selfish with this thought, I kind of want the highways to myself
Nothing much I can honestly do about it, I live walking / biking distance from public transit to work (powered by diesel trains so tickets will go up too). My beater is a 4 banger FWD turd that gets over 30mpg on the highways and not too bad in the city and we (GF and I) plan our outings so we can do all the errands we need to do in one shot. I could "in theory" get rid of all cars although the beater comes in handy when I need it and the 'stang can rot in the garage before I give it up. With that said, high energy costs will ultimately increase cost of life for everyone because our countries (USA and CANADA) are too dependant on infrastructure designed in the 50's and most likely paid for by the big 3 automakers and big oil to further their profits.
We need government to invest in good public transit, subways, light rails, and high speed trains. I'm being selfish with this thought, I kind of want the highways to myself
I am certainly glad that some of you have a firearm other that a hunting rifle or shotgun, cause I don't. When I took Air Force basic firearms training in 1967 prior to being deployed to Viet Nam, I passed because someone else put two stray rounds in my target. I survived the 1968 Tet Offensive because all the guys who were better marksmen than I was took the heat. God Bless them for doing it. If it ever happens again, I'll gladly fill their clips with ammo and bring them water or whatever else they need.
I was always better with screwdrivers and wrenches than I was with any kind of firearm. In the Air Force you were a technician first and a solider secondly: I was certainly glad for that little detail...
I don't own a handgun either, much to the dismay of my wife, who would be very dangerous with one in her hand. A 9MM will cut through two layers of wallboard like butter. Shoot at the bad guy in your kitchen and miss, and the bullet penetrates the wall board like it wasn't even there. Then it kills or injures one of your family members. Anyone who has anything more than pepper spray for self defense needs to take an annual combat confidence course for their own safety and the safety of their family and neighbors. Gun Control truly is hitting what you aim at...
I was always better with screwdrivers and wrenches than I was with any kind of firearm. In the Air Force you were a technician first and a solider secondly: I was certainly glad for that little detail...
I don't own a handgun either, much to the dismay of my wife, who would be very dangerous with one in her hand. A 9MM will cut through two layers of wallboard like butter. Shoot at the bad guy in your kitchen and miss, and the bullet penetrates the wall board like it wasn't even there. Then it kills or injures one of your family members. Anyone who has anything more than pepper spray for self defense needs to take an annual combat confidence course for their own safety and the safety of their family and neighbors. Gun Control truly is hitting what you aim at...
Prices are going up and up and up...
We need government to invest in good public transit, subways, light rails, and high speed trains. I'm being selfish with this thought, I kind of want the highways to myself
No we don't! Let the privet sector do it. If there is actually a demand for it, it will be built. Anytime the government gets involved in business the cost are 10 times to high and then it is run so poorly as to NEVER be profitable and becomes a huge drain on the taxpayer. Amtrack, US Postal Service ect have never run at a profit. The government is pretty good at killing people (armed forces) but even that is costing more than if it could be (which it cant) run by the privet sector. Supply and demand. Why do you think GM is stopping the production of the Volt for the next 4-8 weeks? Because nobody wants to buy those overpriced taxpayer funded vehicles and there is a glut of them on the car lots. GM sold only 8,000 Volts last year after "thinking" that they would sell 60,000! Just because there is a bus station/route or light rail, or subway built does not mean that it will be used. Look at the light rail project in Portland Or. A HUGE taxpayer boondoggle. For every rider the state has to subsidies $8 to help cover costs because the ridership after more than 10 years has never reached even 25% of projected ridership. If you build it they will come..............................ummmmmm NO!
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txstang84
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To tell you the truth, I don't rightly know how I got so far down this road away from the original topic....guess I took a wrong turn somewhere.
I've already addressed people such as yourself that are level headed and responsible. Just because you are, doesn't mean that the schmuck down the street is as well. (Or the "picked on," bullied son of the schmuck down the street)
Because you would never consider selling your assault rifle to some highest bidder through the paper, or online doesn't mean that the same dude a block away won't do it when he cant make his mortgage, and doesn't care whether his buyer has a record as long as he has 900.00.
If your assault weapons are legal, and are semi automatic, how do they offer anymore security for you when the bad guy is in your house w/ a 9mm handgun w/ a 30 round clip pointed at your face? It's all about how fast you can pull the trigger isn't it?
Seems to me I'd prefer the ease of movement the handgun offers when protecting my home, property, and family.
I know neither of us are gonna change our minds despite each others' rant. So I'll end on this:
We smoke um peace pipe. We shoot um shi t. We leave um heap big talk for chiefs and medicine men.
How.
Please don't misunderstand Mike-I'm not denegrating your opinion-you're obviously free to it...
Cheers
HAhaha I just woke up and read all of this. In 24 hours, it slowly morphed from gas prices->gun right/control->politics. All so different, yet all seem to have a common denominator - the Gov.
Seems some people are forgetting the WHOLE 2nd amendment.
We were given the right the own any weapon we wanted in the event we needed it.
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Or how about this?
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PLEASE dont tell me some of you believe that cant happen here. When the hits the fan, ans it will. Do you want to be using a bolt action hunting rifle against the men with G36's, AA12's and PSG1's?
We were given the right the own any weapon we wanted in the event we needed it.
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Or how about this?
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PLEASE dont tell me some of you believe that cant happen here. When the
hits the fan, ans it will. Do you want to be using a bolt action hunting rifle against the men with G36's, AA12's and PSG1's?
Anyome who does not have a criminal record or a history of mental
As for fear of foreign invasion or our own government starting a war in our hometown, small arms would be merely an inconvenience. An air strike, tank or shoulder fired missile quickly neutralizes any firearm that you can operate from shoulder or hand. Watch out for RPGs...
Anyone who does not have a criminal record or a history of mental illness should be able to purchase any type of firearm that can be fired from the shoulder or hand. I also believe that they need to be proficient in its use so that they do not endanger those around them.
As for fear of foreign invasion or our own government starting a war in our hometown, small arms would be merely an inconvenience. An air strike, tank or shoulder fired missile quickly neutralizes any firearm that you can operate from shoulder or hand. Watch out for RPGs...
OH PLEASE!!! I thought I already smoked the peace pipe w/ Texas, but obviously there is still some smoking going on. The Revolutionary War, was over 200 years ago. When the 2nd was written, there was also a real good chance your ass was gonna get killed by a bear, or scalped. Lawlessness was very common, there was no police force, and community was spread out over miles between houses. It was prudent that each household owned the means to defend itself. The Musket that was available then pales against a even the most commonly available hunting rifle. The founding fathers never imagined (and could never imagine) owning a weapon w/ a cyclic rate of fire of 1000 rounds a minute. Hell, just w/ a standard magazine fed handgun, the troops in the top picture are all dead. (cause all they got to shoot back with are trumpets).
Or at the very least they could heave that drum at somebody.
So Vanessa,...Since world chaos didn't come as a result of computers not being able to jump from 1999 to 2000, I'd guess you've been sitting on your Y2k stockpile of MRE's waiting for the Mayan calendar to reach it's end this December, so you can break out the AK to fend off the advancing horde of ruthless survivors driving wood powered, armor plated, death mobiles?:zombie:
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, at least you guys are somewhat entertaining… 
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