Geting Butt Kicked By Z28!?

[1fun281]

Ive always had camaros and Now i have an ls1 corvette Its coing to cost you alot of money to keep up with a ls1 Z28. Its cheaper to sell your car and buy a newer mustang then it would be to do themods your going to have to do to keep up with it. Trust me then after the mods are done you will decrease the longevity of that 4.6. Even a camaro with an LT1 engine from 93 to 96 still have about 280 at the flywheel and roughly 200 at the wheels. Not to mention about 225 torque. Those camaro corvette engines are no joke.

Ok so a lt1 with 200 at the wheel is going to smoke a pi 4.6 with about 215 at the wheel?


bone stock Ls1 with a perfect drive is a 13.0-13.2 car, a pi with 4.10's and longtubes and sticky tires is same range with good driver of course....

 

[AZmustang98]

So if you sold a 2002 gt for $7000 and bought a 03 Cobra for 10,000...

Where is this "Cobra"? I will give them cash right now....

 

[98COBRA281]

LS1's aint that great, there "drivers" talk them up to be a whole lot more then they really are....

 

[slayerripkdc]

So if you sold a 2002 gt for $7000 and bought a 03 Cobra for 10,000 That wouldnt be a better route than Spending $1500 to $3000 on a $7000 car not to mention yes you will decrease the longevity of the engine with upgrades. Must be an age thing How old is everyone in this post? Most people are like go ahead put in headers do 410s under drive pullies But dont spend any extra money on a stronger clutch thats going to blow out or bearings that cant handle the extra power on the bottom end. So go ahead put when ever you want on your car then two months from now he will be posting How do I diagnose a blown headgasket.

hmm not sure what you are talking about??? My neighbor has a supercharged Vortech 4.6 and has over a 150k miles wit the supercharger on the motor. He has stock clutch, stock tranny, stock motor... with over 100 track passes and about 10 of them in the 11's with 0 ZERO issues what so ever! I highly doubt headers and pullies would hurt anything!

 

[bradfier]

It's not very often you line up against stock cars, if you have a lightly modified 4.6 pick your battles carefully, like 4.6s strength is high rpm ie roll races, red light races you'll lose most of the time because of the tremendous low end torque of the 350. and if you line up against a formula or ss expect to loose and make sure they don't have a camera cause you know that's gonna show up on YouTube lol your best bang for the buck is LT headers and gears.

 

[mustang562]

Lmfao!! 03 cobra for $10k

 

[dimaiox1]

hmm not sure what you are talking about??? My neighbor has a supercharged Vortech 4.6 and has over a 150k miles wit the supercharger on the motor. He has stock clutch, stock tranny, stock motor... with over 100 track passes and about 10 of them in the 11's with 0 ZERO issues what so ever! I highly doubt headers and pullies would hurt anything!

I'm sure he does everyone always has a freind, and his engine is completely stock internally to right And the most work you did to your car was probably rims exhaust and an air intake. So you probably don't have any experience building power out of an engine at least properly. If he put that much power through his transmission after about two passes if he gets that much he would need a rebuild. I can see it now the never ending bs thread my friend this my friend that. No I , because if a person actuly supercharged there engine and added 100 more hp to a 150,000 mile engine they would need a new engine very shortly that's why.

 

[dimaiox1]

Omg what's this a camaro vs a mustang gt

 

[dimaiox1]

Omg can it be Svt cobra vs ss camaro and all of there specs no way the cobra is slower

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0112_camaro_ss_mustang_cobra_comparison/viewall.html

 

[dimaiox1]

Here's another video of a camaro with just a cat back vs a gt with a bunch of bolt on parts I usually talk from experience I own or have owned a lot of different camaros I have a corvette and an Svt cobra out of the three corvette is fasted and handles best camaro is second fastes handles well. The cobra is the slowest and once I'm done with k member and coilover will out handle camaro but it is still the slower of the three and it's a cobra. Want pics of all my cars I can post them. Have any ove you owned or even drove an ls1 to even say otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 38176]

Omg can it be Svt cobra vs ss camaro and all of there specs no way the cobra is slower

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0112_camaro_ss_mustang_cobra_comparison/viewall.html

LOL! 240rwhp/257rwtq out of the Cobra and 268rwhp/280rwtq out of the SS? Yeah, those numbers are accurate....

Btw, I still don't understand what you're trying to get at with the vids and such. It's almost if the only thing you're hearing from everyone is that the LS1 is no faster than a 4.6. Is that what you're getting from all of this? What people are trying to get through your thick skull is that the LS1 is absolutely a quicker platfom than the 4.6. It's a no-brainer.....281ci vs. 346ci. The point the some are trying to make is that the LS1 is not as "almighty" as a lot of people make them out to be. They are not THAT much more potent than the 4.6. I don't give a rats ass whether or not you agree with it, it's FACT. A 4.6 modded the correct way will out-perform quite a bit of stock to lightly modded LS1's. They are stout motors but no where near unbeatable.

You sound as though the very thought of an LS1 losing to ANY 4.6 would bring your world to a crashing end. Posting a few random videos is not helping your cause.

 

[dimaiox1]

Ok so a lt1 with 200 at the wheel is going to smoke a pi 4.6 with about 215 at the wheel?


bone stock Ls1 with a perfect drive is a 13.0-13.2 car, a pi with 4.10's and longtubes and sticky tires is same range with good driver of course....

And I did say roughly 200 hp a stock lt1 powered car has anywhere from 225 245 rwhp vs a 215 rwhp mustang the mustang is going to need to add anywhere from 30 to 70 hp to the flywheel to match what a camaro has at the wheels. Do we need to keep going back and froth about this ? I love my cobra but the bottom line is it's slower then my chevys period.

 

[slayerripkdc]

I'm sure he does everyone always has a freind, and his engine is completely stock internally to right And the most work you did to your car was probably rims exhaust and an air intake. So you probably don't have any experience building power out of an engine at least properly. If he put that much power through his transmission after about two passes if he gets that much he would need a rebuild. I can see it now the never ending bs thread my friend this my friend that. No I , because if a person actuly supercharged there engine and added 100 more hp to a 150,000 mile engine they would need a new engine very shortly that's why.


You have no clue what you are talking about! Mustangs also come with Tremek transmissions just like your almighty Ls1 cars. Stock clutch, stock tranny and stock motor can easily handle 400 wheel horse on street tires! Can't you tell that 99% of Mustang owners actually have respect for LS cars? Its people like you that give them a bad name!

 

[Deleted member 38176]

You have no clue what you are talking about! Mustangs also come with Tremek transmissions just like your almighty Ls1 cars. Stock clutch, stock tranny and stock motor can easily handle 400 wheel horse on street tires! Can't you tell that 99% of Mustang owners actually have respect for LS cars? Its people like you that give them a bad name!

Judging from the complete disregard for proper sentence structure and the complete idiocy that spews from his mouth, this guy is most likely some young clueless kid.....at least I hope so. He's owned "many different Camaro's", a vette, AND has a Cobra? LOL! This guy really has no idea WTF he's talking about.

 

[TeufelGt]

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From what I have had from experience with LS1's is that our cars keep up all the way until you shift into 3rd gear, then they start rolling away...

OP I would just start saving up for a FI build or if you want to stay NA save for heads and cams like Johnnyt03gt suggested..

Heres a vid I found on Youtube of a guy with Heads, cams and other mods, pretty impressive imo.

Haha seriously I think that is lethal performance here in san antonio. I was watching video thinking...looks very similar to the shop I go to.

 

[TeufelGt]

100 hp rule vs vettes...you need that over them.

 

[demented22]

The sad thing is at my local tracks, there are full size diesel 1ton pickups with 36" plus tires running mid 13-high 14's. Just food for thought!

 

[1fun281]

And I did say roughly 200 hp a stock lt1 powered car has anywhere from 225 245 rwhp vs a 215 rwhp mustang the mustang is going to need to add anywhere from 30 to 70 hp to the flywheel to match what a camaro has at the wheels. Do we need to keep going back and froth about this ? I love my cobra but the bottom line is it's slower then my chevys period.

By your logic only thing that makes a car fast is power it's pretty pathetic that a ls1 only goes 13.2 with 80 rear wheel horsepower more then a 13.50 281 with 215 at the tire and a 4.10 gear, so you pretty much just told me ls1 is a poor excuse of a motor and like they say not even the ls1 could save the camaro...

 

[bhuff30]

There is no doubt, we lack the hp and down low torque to really compete against the LS motors and many of the modern cars with 400+hp from the factory. However, we can certainly give them a hard time.

I ran against a new challanger the other day, about 20 to 70mph. We were DEAD even the entire way, but I was a nose ahead much of the time. Great fun, and I was impressed with the little 4.6. I am sure if we had continued, the hp of the challanger would have pulled away since my little 2 valve only traps ~98-99mph in the quarter.

I also ran against an 04-07 CTS-V from ~20 to 80. Through all of 1st and 2nd, I was about a hood ahead. Shortly after I went to 3rd (around 65mpg), he got the LS 3rd gear pull on me and made me look silly. It's really incredible the way you can run dead even/ahead all the way to 3rd gear and then they just take off. It's the 100hp difference and extra disaplacement I guess.

The last run was against a base model C5 vette. I got the better launch and started with a car length. By 60, we shut down and I was still ahead, but just by a little. Not sure why, but the 4.6 can run hard on the 0-60.

All this from my underdog 201k mile NPI. I am sure every one of these guys scoffed at this old mustang as being a slow dog, but I ran right there with them. Kinda makes me want a cetrifugal blower so I can blow there doors off. No one would expect it from my stock looking npi mustang with 215hp from the factory.

 

[slayerripkdc]

There is no doubt, we lack the hp and down low torque to really compete against the LS motors and many of the modern cars with 400+hp from the factory. However, we can certainly give them a hard time.

I ran against a new challanger the other day, about 20 to 70mph. We were DEAD even the entire way, but I was a nose ahead much of the time. Great fun, and I was impressed with the little 4.6. I am sure if we had continued, the hp of the challanger would have pulled away since my little 2 valve only traps ~98-99mph in the quarter.

I also ran against an 04-07 CTS-V from ~20 to 80. Through all of 1st and 2nd, I was about a hood ahead. Shortly after I went to 3rd (around 65mpg), he got the LS 3rd gear pull on me and made me look silly. It's really incredible the way you can run dead even/ahead all the way to 3rd gear and then they just take off. It's the 100hp difference and extra disaplacement I guess.

The last run was against a base model C5 vette. I got the better launch and started with a car length. By 60, we shut down and I was still ahead, but just by a little. Not sure why, but the 4.6 can run hard on the 0-60.

All this from my underdog 201k mile NPI. I am sure every one of these guys scoffed at this old mustang as being a slow dog, but I ran right there with them. Kinda makes me want a cetrifugal blower so I can blow there doors off. No one would expect it from my stock looking npi mustang with 215hp from the factory.

I can vouch for this! I raced a 6.0 GTO from a dig. I took him off the line in first and he couldnt pull away till the top of 3rd! A geared 2v with adequate traction can surprise plenty of cars in the 1/8th and 1/4. They just lack some hp for the top end but with some mods you can hang or surpass a lot of newer cars with a stock bottom. Built bottom, heads, cams and some boost 600 to the wheels should be of no problem with a simple combo.