Fuel Pump Harness Resistance?

stangman11

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Just wanted to throw out an odd question to see if anyone else has had this issue. I recently replaced the fuel pump and filter in my 87 because I was only getting 15psi of pressure when running and getting a random miss or bogging while driving it mostly when hot. Put the new pump and filter in and am now at the proper 40-45psi.

With that being said I drove the car from work home no problem but still breaking up a little at high rpm. Went to drive it the next day and got nothing from the pump not even a prime. So all I did was simply start checking for proper power and ground at the connector from the body harness to the fuel pump harness right behind the rear bumper, unplugged it to check the pins they seemed fine pluged it back in then it worked again car fired right up.

The car still runs at this point but when hot I will get a random miss and bog out of the engine. Has anyone ever expereicned maybe high resistance in this connector to cause that? Just looking for any input.
 
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Just wanted to throw out an odd question to see if anyone else has had this issue. I recently replaced the fuel pump and filter in my 87 because I was only getting 15psi of pressure when running and getting a random miss or bogging while driving it mostly when hot. Put the new pump and filter in and am now at the proper 40-45psi.

With that being said I drove the car from work home no problem but still breaking up a little at high rpm. Went to drive it the next day and got nothing from the pump not even a prime. So all I did was simply start checking for proper power and ground at the connector from the body harness to the fuel pump harness right behind the rear bumper, unplugged it to check the pins they seemed fine pluged it back in then it worked again car fired right up.

The car still runs at this point but when hot I will get a random miss and bog out of the engine. Has anyone ever expereicned maybe high resistance in this connector to cause that? Just looking for any input.

Using a voltmeter to measure voltage drop only measures the voltage in the part of the wiring being tested. Since it is impossible to measure the voltage at the fuel pump with the car running, an ammeter is the only useful tool. Ohm's law states that in a series circuit, current is the same in all parts of the circuit.

As poor connections and bad wiring warm up due to the current flow, the current will drop if there is any change in the resistance of the circuit. The increased resistance causes more heat and corrosion, which causes more resistance. It's a vicious circle that ends when the connection or wire melts or catches fire or due to overheating


The only way you will ever determine if there is a resistance problem in the connectors and wiring is it insert an ammeter in series with the pink/black wire that feed power to the fuel pump. The ammeter must be capable of measuring 20 amps DC. Ammeters don't care about voltage, so that isn't a consideration. Ohms law states that with a fixed voltage, as resistance increases, current decreases.


The TFI module mounted on the distributor is usually the culprit for a high speed miss on a warm engine. If the problem does not occur when the engine is cold, the TFI module is definitely suspect. You may need a special socket to remove the TFI module, but most auto parts stores will have one for $5-$7.

Be sure to use plenty of the heat sink grease on the new TFI and clean the old grease off the distributor.

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I cut out the old connector and swaped in a new four pin last night and I still have the same issue. I thought the TFI could be the issue last week so I replaced it with no luck. The only thing I can think of and am starting to lean to is possible the ignition coil cutting out at times.
 
The PIP will fail before the coil does. Dump the codes and look for code 14.

Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

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If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10
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Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
Ok I will pull the codes tomorrow and let you know the results. This problem is driving me crazy the only other thing I can tell you that may help is that when the problem starts to happen while driving all I have to do it shut it down and restart it and it starts driving normal again but only for a short period of time.
 
Those are not the cause of your problems. I would start looking at the TFI module or distributor.

For reference, here is the code 44/94 test path...

Codes 44 & 94 - AIR system inoperative - Air Injection. Check vacuum lines for leaks, & cracks.

Revised 2 Sep 2012 to correct the description of the process that sets the code and include Thermactor Air System diagram.

If you have a catalytic converter H pipe, you need to fix these codes. If you don't, then don't worry about them

Code 44 RH side air not functioning.
Code 94 LH side air not functioning.

The TAD solenoid/TAD diverter valve direct smog pump output to either the crossover tube attached to the cylinder heads or to the catalytic converters.

The O2 sensors are placed before the catalytic converters, so they do not see the extra O2 when the smog pump's output is directed to the converters or the input just before the converter.

The 44/94 code uses the O2 sensors to detect a shift in the O2 level in the exhaust. The smog pump provides extra air to the exhaust which raises the O2 level in the exhaust when the smog pump output is directed through the crossover tube.

When there is an absence of increase in the O2 levels when the TAD solenoid/TAD diverter valve directs air through the crossover tube, it detects the lower O2 level and sets the code.

Failure mode is usually due to a clogged air crossover tube, where one or both sides of the tube clog with carbon. The air crossover tube mounts on the back of the cylinder heads and supplies air to each of the Thermactor air passages cast into the cylinder heads. When the heads do not get the proper air delivery, they set codes 44 & 94, depending on which passage is clogged. It is possible to get both 44 & 94, which would suggest that the air pump or control valves are not working correctly, or the crossover tube is full of carbon or missing.

Testing the system:
Note that the engine must be running to do the tests unless stated otherwise. For safety’s sake, do test preparation like loosening clamps, disconnecting hoses and connecting things to a vacuum source with the engine off.


Disconnect the big hose from smog pump: with the engine running you should feel air output. Reconnect the smog pump hose & apply vacuum to the first vacuum controlled valve: Its purpose is to either dump the pump's output to the atmosphere or pass it to the next valve.

The next vacuum controlled valve directs the air to either the cylinder heads when the engine is cold or to the catalytic converter when the engine is warm. Disconnect the big hoses from the back side of the vacuum controlled valve and start the engine. Apply vacuum to the valve and see if the airflow changes from one hose to the next.

The two electrical controlled vacuum valves mounted on the rear of the passenger side wheel well turn the vacuum on & off under computer control. Check to see that both valves have +12 volts on the red wire. Then ground the white/red wire and the first solenoid should open and pass vacuum. Do the same thing to the light green/black wire on the second solenoid and it should open and pass vacuum.

Remember that the computer does not source power for any actuator or relay, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

The following computer tests are done with the engine not running.
The computer provides the ground to complete the circuit to power the solenoid valve that turns the
vacuum on or off. The computer is located under the passenger side kick panel. Remove the kick panel & the cover over the computer wiring connector pins. Check Pin 38 Solenoid valve #1 that provides vacuum to the first Thermactor control valve for a switch from 12-14 volts to 1 volt or less. Do the same with pin 32 solenoid valve #2 that provides vacuum to the second Thermactor control valve. Turning the ignition to Run with the computer jumpered to self test mode will cause all the actuators to toggle on and off. If after doing this and you see no switching of the voltage on and off, you can start testing the wiring for shorts to ground and broken wiring. An Ohm check to ground with the computer connector disconnected & the solenoid valves disconnected should show open circuit between the pin 32 and ground and again on pin 38 and ground. In like manner, there should be less than 1 ohm between pin 32 and solenoid valve #2 and pin 38 & Solenoid valve #1.

The following computer tests are done with the engine running.
If after checking the resistance of the wiring & you are sure that there are no wiring faults, start looking at the solenoid valves. If you disconnect them, you can jumper power & ground to them to verify operation with the engine running. Power & ground supplied should turn on the vacuum flow, remove either one and the vacuum should stop flowing.

Typical resistance of the solenoid valves is in the range of 20-70 Ohms.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

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If you have a catalytic converter H pipe, you need to fix these codes. If you don't, then don't worry about them
See http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=50636&d=1180923382 for a very nice drawing of the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) plumbing .
 
Sometimes a failing PIP sensor will set code 14. This is really a "sometimes" thing and you can't count on it.

If you had access to a distributor test machine , a hair dryer and an automotive oscilloscope, you probably heat the distributor while testing it and watch the oscilloscope for missing pulses. Unfortunately, that is a scenario beyond most of us ordinary people.
 
I just went through a very similar issue as you are describing. Basically as the pump primed with the key on, it sounded weaker and weaker as the years went by. Finally it stopped working all together. I tracked the issue down to being the wiring between the fuel pump and connector on top of the gas tank. I basically used a multimeter to check continuity and resistance between the points to make sure every connection was good. The 2 pin connector on top of the tank was damaged along with the wiring in the fuel sender. I bought a new 2 pin connector pigtail from rock auto and a new complete sender and my problem is fixed.

If your still having fuel pressure issues at high rpm and/or the pump doesn't sound too strong, I would look at these items with a multimeter. The bad part about this is dropping the tank which is a pita but worth a look if your next attempt to fix doesn't work.
 
When I put in the new fuel pump I did check the harness and it all appeared fine. The only reason I am leaning to the distributor is because once the condition starts to happen while driving be it under high rpm load or just crusing if I shut the car down and restart it the problem stops for maybe another 15min of driving.