Good Deal?

[5.0 LX Stang]

Ok so I gotta guy wanting to sell me some e7 heads that have been ported and polished with dual trickflow springs and valves, they have 1200 miles on them, he also said they havent been ported to well but the gasket and all that matched up still and that they just did the intake side. He also had a 93 cobra cam he's throw in and that i could get them all for $200. So you think this a good deal? Also would these heads and cam make a good combo? And do you think they's perfom like gt40p's? Thanks.

 

[88LX5.Oh]

I believe I read in my 5.0 Handbook that the Cobra cam has either lower lift or duration than the regular 5.0 cam (because the Cobra has 1.7 RR's and it more than made up for the smaller lift/duration)

But, I could be wrong. I can't remember. I need to dust that book off and read through the Cobra portion again.

 

[FastDriver]

Yeah, I always heard that a 93 cobra had a tamer cam than the HO.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Pass. For $200 you could pick up a set of junkyard GT40's from an Explorer that are proven to outperform standard E7TE heads....let alone ones with a questionable port job. Also, dual springs on a set of E7TE's are way overkill and unless the seats have been machined for them (which I doubt) they probably aren't at all. Spring for one of Alex's GT40 spring kits for under $100 http://www.alexsparts.com/sb-ford-gt40p-drop-in-valve-spring-kit-hyd-roller/, or re-use your stock springs if you don't plan on any cam changes and you're laughing.

And agree with the above. The '93 Cobra cam is nothing special. It was actually the same one used in the V8 T-Birds of the same era. Ground more to promote torque in the lower regions. Without the addition of the 1.7 roller rockers that the '93 Cobra also utilized, you'll probably give up horsepower, not gain it. Your stock HO cam is a better grind.

 

[FastDriver]

Oh, yeah. I agree with Brian on the heads. E7s are junk unless there is big money put into them, and even then, you can do better for less.

 

[5.0 LX Stang]

Alright thanks for the input guys, very helpful. I'm still learning alot about 5.0's I've actually been reading alot about them and trying to improve my knowledge with them and this site is a good site to learn on. My original plan for the car was to put some gtr40p's on it and a comp big mutha thumpr cam but not sure if I'ma do that now I may just go ahead and go with some trickflow twisted edge heads I can get some of those from a guy I know for $800, but my cars a daily driver so it may just be best to stick with Iron heads, I've also looked at the comp aluminum heads but don't know too much about them, I look at my car as a project car it needs a few things to be a great car I'ma get the things I need for it then go with some power adders, Once again guys thanks for the help.

 

[FastDriver]

Awesome idea on the trick flows. That's a premium set of heads, and a fair price. There's nothing wrong with aluminum heads on a street car. Almost every new sports car comes with them, these days.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Like Chris stated, Trick Flow Twist Wedge 170's are an excellent all aroud head. I woldn't at all be afraid to put them on a daily driver. Be mindful of cam selection no matter what head you choose. a " big mutha thumpr cam" may sound good when you're trading punches with your buddies on hot rod night, but matching them camshaft to the rest of your combination and driving habits is much more important that creating a "choppy" idle....just because you like the sound.

 

[88LX5.Oh]

Honestly I think saying "I've got a custom grind cam made by Ed Curtis" is 10x more impressive sounding than ANY off the shelf cam name. And the reason I'm saying this is because probably 75% of people think a big cool name and obnoxious lift/duration cam on an almost stock car will net outrageous gains. A lot of times you only hurt performance...

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Yeah....custom grinds seem to be the "in thing" these days.

 

[fiveohwblow]

Yeah....custom grinds seem to be the "in thing" these days.

SMH... All you're doing in this post is belittling the ability many respected members around here have you do not. Your connotations are noted before you choose to back peddle.

Mark aka winters understands very well and customizes for his combo.

Rick @amazon is another example.

Ed Curtis knows more than you and I combined will ever forget.

There is value to a custom cam even on a mildly modified car. These experts, not you and I, will assess it. You truly think they will give you a turbo cam for a bolt on fox????? GTFO.

If price is your object, leave this hobby. Ed Curtis charges a frogs hair over 300 and comp cams or any other Anderson grind new are 200+ depending. To save $100 and assume the exact same drivability and performance is nothing shy of ignorance.

 

[FastDriver]

I don't know what the hell is going on between you and Brian, but cut it out. Your negative comments will not help you or anyone else on the board, and I like you so I'd hate to see you go out the way others have.

Honestly I think saying "I've got a custom grind cam made by Ed Curtis" is 10x more impressive sounding than ANY off the shelf cam name. And the reason I'm saying this is because probably 75% of people think a big cool name and obnoxious lift/duration cam on an almost stock car will net outrageous gains. A lot of times you only hurt performance...

Ed Curtis gave me a smaller cam than I asked for. 228/[email protected]" pretty small for an "obnoxious" cam. I don't think it hurt performance as I have yet to see anyone with a street motor on pump gas make substantially more on the same amount of boost. Would a bigger cam gain more power? Probably, but not all that much. Plus, I like having a very docile car on the street.

 

[fiveohwblow]

I don't know what the hell is going on between you and Brian, but cut it out. Your negative comments will not help you or anyone else on the board, and I like you so I'd hate to see you go out the way others have.



Ed Curtis gave me a smaller cam than I asked for. 228/[email protected]" pretty small for an "obnoxious" cam. I don't think it hurt performance as I have yet to see anyone with a street motor on pump gas make substantially more on the same amount of boost. Would a bigger cam gain more power? Probably, but not all that much. Plus, I like having a very docile car on the street.

nothing going on. My comments were much more helpful than his "trend" recognition as I am sharing those who have a wealth of knowledge. If you refuse to see that I can't help you.

If you chose to remove me I won't lose sleep. I shared an opinion nothing more.

 

[88LX5.Oh]

Yeah....custom grinds seem to be the "in thing" these days.

I'd much rather have a custom grind over a massive cam, at least for my set up. That's all I meant by it

 

[Gearbanger 101]

I shared an opinion nothing more.

Is that what you call it?







So....yeah, anyway. Custom ground cams are reserved for the ones that really need them. IMO, many run them unnecessisarily to boost their cool factor. I'm sorry, but your run of the mill GT40 top end guy isn't going to greatly benefit from a custom grind. I swear, a lot of guys go with them so they've got something to brag to their buddies about. Having a custom ground cam is slowly becoming the "flowmaster 40-series" of mustang parts.

 

[fiveohwblow]

Is that what you call it?







So....yeah, anyway. Custom ground cams are reserved for the ones that really need them. IMO, many run them unnecessisarily to boost their cool factor. I'm sorry, but your run of the mill GT40 top end guy isn't going to greatly benefit from a custom grind. I swear, a lot of guys go with them so they've got something to brag to their buddies about. Having a custom ground cam is slowly becoming the "flowmaster 40-series" of mustang parts.

Enlighten me on what determines an opinion. Nay, enlighten us all.

Custom ground cams are not "reserved" for anyone but those who can both afford them and decide they are worth their money. This isn't Canada, this is the US where freedom rings and lady liberty represents our ability to choose.

 

[88LX5.Oh]

Is that what you call it?







So....yeah, anyway. Custom ground cams are reserved for the ones that really need them. IMO, many run them unnecessisarily to boost their cool factor. I'm sorry, but your run of the mill GT40 top end guy isn't going to greatly benefit from a custom grind. I swear, a lot of guys go with them so they've got something to brag to their buddies about. Having a custom ground cam is slowly becoming the "flowmaster 40-series" of mustang parts.

Yes but it's better to have a custom ground cam than something completely obnoxious and something that doesn't go well with any other portion of the build. Wouldn't you agree? That's all I'm trying to say.

But I do agree with what you're saying IF someone were to try to at least closely match an off the shelf cam to their set up. But if someone was trying to run something with almost .600 lift and long duration on a daily driver, that person would greatly benefit from a custom grind. Just using that as an example, FYI.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Enlighten me on what determines an opinion. Nay, enlighten us all.

Custom ground cams are not "reserved" for anyone but those who can both afford them and decide they are worth their money. This isn't Canada, this is the US where freedom rings and lady liberty represents our ability to choose.

I've already given my opinion on the subject. If you don't like, or agree with it....that's your problem. As for the rest....you're unprovoked outbursts are getting you very close to exiting stage right. Theres a difference between voicing an opinion and going out of your way to be an ass. I suggest you dial back the attitude and play nice.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Yes but it's better to have a custom ground cam than something completely obnoxious and something that doesn't go well with any other portion of the build. Wouldn't you agree? That's all I'm trying to say.

But I do agree with what you're saying IF someone were to try to at least closely match an off the shelf cam to their set up. But if someone was trying to run something with almost .600 lift and long duration on a daily driver, that person would greatly benefit from a custom grind. Just using that as an example, FYI.

Absolutely, but that's like saying you have to choose between the extremes of custom and totally obnoxious. There are plenty of tamer grinds that would fit the needs of most set ups. I'm not saying custom bump sticks don't have their place. Just that they're not nearly as necessarily or beneficial in many cases as some would like them to be. I've read posts from guys that have gained nothing going to a custom cam.

There are a lot of modern dual pattern off the shelf grinds out there today that more than fit the horsepower and drivability bill for your average hot toddler. I think many have been convinced by mostly Internet chatter that in order to "do it right" (as the saying goes) one must run a custom ground cam to keep up with the Jones's. Heck, there are guys out there running 12's and 11's with 20-year-old alphabet cams. So it can't be all bad.

 

[fiveohwblow]

I've already given my opinion on the subject. If you don't like, or agree with it....that's your problem. As for the rest....you're unprovoked outbursts are getting you very close to exiting stage right. Theres a difference between voicing an opinion and going out of your way to be an ass. I suggest you dial back the attitude and play nice.

noted. And completely disregarded.

You and Chris are making a mountain out of a mole hill. My posts are so far from an outburst it isn't funny. No exclamation points, no name calling, no challenges. You're out of line. If you also choose to boot me Idgaf. It's expected and has been talked about more than you realize on more mediums than I care to share.

If you are able to, go back and re read my posts and see that I didn't pull a Brian and go out of my way to be an ass to anyone, rather disagreed with your negativity and actually complimented mark, Rick and Ed and lastly advocated a custom grind.

I'm done with you And had the system not disallowed me to block you I would have done so years ago when I first tried. Shorty, when you lose your title, it will be done.

MRaburn