Coyote swap.

[scottyheps]

So, I've been trying to decide which direction to go for a new power plant in my 88 GT. I have spent all winter rebuilding the suspension and rear end, constantly trying to think up something new or different for my fox engine. A friend recently had a 347 built with edelbrocks new Efi system. Which is new and different. But 14g for 475hp and basically just another 347 didn't impress me much. So I considered superchargers, turbos, big nitrous but nothing got me really dreamin. Until I realized how simple(going off Internet facts lol) swapping in a Coyote 5.0 is. So i guess I'm looking for some thoughts and ideas from anyone on here as to whether this is a good idea or not. I know I can't stop thinking about doing this so that has me intrigued already! So far I'm thinking about buying a stock crate engine and upgrading the intake to maybe this: http://www.americanmuscle.com/cobrajet-intake-manifold-1113gt.html to keep initial cost lower but hp higher. Even with this route it seems like you arrive at $10g pretty quick.

Any input would be appreciated!

 

[RacEoHolic330]

I don't have any coyote experience, but the next car I do (fox or not) will have a coyote engine in it.

The guy I bought my 331 from did a coyote swap. 93coupe.com. Don't forget about the Stangnet built to cruise project. They fully documented that build. You can probably find every part you need from their list. They were one of the first, so it may be even easier for you being there is more aftermarket support now.

In the end, I think a coyote swap would be a really fun and somewhat different direction to take.

 

[RangerJoe]

I think jpc racing has made 500rwhp n/a with one. Also, frpp is now selling a 9.5:1 boost ready coyote motor. I believe the internals are beefed up as well.

Joe

 

[scottyheps]

I think jpc racing has made 500rwhp n/a with one. Also, frpp is now selling a 9.5:1 boost ready coyote motor. I believe the internals are beefed up as well.

Joe

The boost ready one sure got me thinking, the roush stage 3 charger kit claims 675hp. That would be wild! Just a tad outta the budget at this point. But maybe it's worth saving for and do it right the first time. And from what I've read the boss engine doesn't have much more to offer? So I'm still leaning towards the beefed up version of the stock. Should a guy even considering building one from block up, or are these crates the way to go?

 

[RangerJoe]

Go over to the sn95 talk section. There is a guy in there doing a cobra build thread, its "rising from the ashes". I'm pretty sure he has already done a coyote swap if i'm not mistaken. Send him a pm, he can probably give you some real world advice.

Joe

 

[Old Skooler]

Cayote swap would be awesome. What kind of numbers can you get from the stock block? 675 with the stage 3 is sweet and different, now they sell the kmember for the swap and I think a quick FI upgrade. I've seen adds for the long block delivered for just under 6.

I just spent 13g on my build I'm wishing I went the cayote route!!

Set up a build thread this will be good

 

[90lxcoupe]

I think they are a cool swap, but dont let the internet fool you, it will be a very time consuming project and there will be things you run into that you didnt read on the internet.

 

[S&B]

if your not very mechanical and well rounded you should buy the same set of jack stands that you would on a turbo project

 

[MikeH686]

if your not very mechanical and well rounded you should buy the same set of jack stands that you would on a turbo project

Hey not thats harsh my car has been on and off the jack stands every few months lol

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Have you seen our very own "Built to Cruise" project? That's some pretty detailed work right there!!!

Check out the link -----> http://www.stangnet.com/2010/02/27/stangnet-built-to-cruise-project/

 

[mikestang63]

Have you seen our very own "Built to Cruise" project? That's some pretty detailed work right there!!!

Check out the link -----> http://www.stangnet.com/2010/02/27/stangnet-built-to-cruise-project/

That is one sick ride, but the average Joe doesn't have $30k laying around, much less the $15k or so needed to to a Coyote swap. If I won the lotto or something like that, I'd do that swap in a second.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

That is one sick ride, but the average Joe doesn't have $30k laying around, much less the $15k or so needed to to a Coyote swap. If I won the lotto or something like that, I'd do that swap in a second.

Well, I suggested it because the topic of this conversation was the Coyote swap....so I'll assume the OP isn't the "Average Joe"? I'd also surmise that anyone thinking of doing one knows it's not going to be cheap. I'm guess $15K wouldn't even cover the basics after all said and done.

Ya wanna be custom, be prepared to pay though the nose and spend some time scratching your head. Otherwise, be content with building the same old run of the mill H/C/I 302 like the rest of us.

I'd love to see this engine in an old A/C Cobra....or better yet, an F-Body Camaro....just to piss the GM guys off.

 

[02 281 GT]

I'd love to see this engine in an old A/C Cobra....or better yet, an F-Body Camaro....just to **** the GM guys off.

THIS. After all these years of SBCs and LSXs in Mustangs and other Fords, it's about time a superior Ford motor was stuffed down the throat of a Chevy.

 

[JordanB21]

THIS. After all these years of SBCs and LSXs in Mustangs and other Fords, it's about time a superior Ford motor was stuffed down the throat of a Chevy.

This made me lol

I saw a meme post recently that was like "Finally, Ford has their own swap." and has a picture of a coyote.

 

[90lxcoupe]

Coyotes are still not better than LS motors in many peoples eyes, and that will never change. Its not our fault ford didnt keep making pushrod motors.

 

[mikestang63]

Well, I suggested it because the topic of this conversation was the Coyote swap....so I'll assume the OP isn't the "Average Joe"? I'd also surmise that anyone thinking of doing one knows it's not going to be cheap. I'm guess $15K wouldn't even cover the basics after all said and done.

Ya wanna be custom, be prepared to pay though the nose and spend some time scratching your head. Otherwise, be content with building the same old run of the mill H/C/I 302 like the rest of us.

I'd love to see this engine in an old A/C Cobra....or better yet, an F-Body Camaro....just to **** the GM guys off.

Agreed. I am tired of seeing Mustangs with damn LS motors in them at the racetracks. However, that would be a waste of blue oval power to stick it in an ugly slowmaro..

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Coyotes are still not better than LS motors in many peoples eyes, and that will never change. Its not our fault ford didnt keep making pushrod motors.

Correct....those people are called idiots.

Seriously though, I get the die hard pushrod crowd. They're still hung up on the old school tech because it's a simple design and easy to work on.....and still for the most part gets the job done, but none of the LS engines are technological marvels.

GM has always made it a habit to stuff their engines full of displacement. We've always had to compare our 5.0 to their 5.7, or our 4.6 to their 5.7/6.0/6.2 and for the most part we did fairly well considering the displacement advantage GM had. The ones that think engines like the LS7 are what they are because they've got pushrods and totally ignore the fact that they're sporting 427ci of displacement to go along with cavernous head and intake components are a little "dim" in my opinion.

The fact that the current 5.0L Coyote matches GM's LS3's power output with a full 1.2L less displacement all while providing smooth drivability and superior fuel economy, emissions output and lighter weight components is a testament to it's superiority.

 

[90lxcoupe]

I think calling them idiots is a little harsh, nobody said LS engines are technological marvels either, but on that note, neither are the coyote motors... they are nothing fancy in the DOHC world... The new thing is DI anyways.

The fact is, there will always be guys that take stock LS shorblocks, and go really fast on them. The 6.0, 5.3, and 4.8 blocks keep getting cheaper, and people keep throwing turbos on them and keep going faster. I dont think you see coyote shortblocks going for 500 bucks for another 10 years. Older mod motors are still bringing stupid money at yards IMO.

FWIW, the coyote blocks arent all that strong either. At higher HP levels the cylinder walls can start cracking, and at that point its time for a FRPP block that was just released. The LS blocks have been proven to go past 1200rwhp.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

I think calling them idiots is a little harsh, nobody said LS engines are technological marvels either, but on that note, neither are the coyote motors... they are nothing fancy in the DOHC world... The new thing is DI anyways.

The fact is, there will always be guys that take stock LS shorblocks, and go really fast on them. The 6.0, 5.3, and 4.8 blocks keep getting cheaper, and people keep throwing turbos on them and keep going faster. I dont think you see coyote shortblocks going for 500 bucks for another 10 years. Older mod motors are still bringing stupid money at yards IMO.

FWIW, the coyote blocks arent all that strong either. At higher HP levels the cylinder walls can start cracking, and at that point its time for a FRPP block that was just released. The LS blocks have been proven to go past 1200rwhp.

I was actually being facetious with the "idiot" comment....hence my very next sentence starting with "Seriously though..."

While it's true the Coyote isn't the most advance engines out there, it's still light years ahead of the LS series platform. Again...these LS engines wouldn't be near as powerful or coveted as they are without all that displacement backing them up.

While it's true the LS blocks can handle power levels surpassing 1,200hp (which I will give GM loads of credit for).....realistically, how many people are pushing them to that level? Heck....how many people are pushing them to half those power levels? I'll bet less than 1% of owners. For the most part, most LS engines prowling the streets seem to running within the 350-650hp range. Coyote's have proven reliable...dare I say comfortable in those power ranges.

As far as displacement goes, you don't see the guys doing the 4.8L swaps running them N/A. Heck, they have trouble matching the output of the last N/A 3V & 4V 4.6L engine without a power adder. Every time in recent history GM has tried to go cubic inch, for cubic inch with Ford, they've been blown off the map! I can't stress how much these engines are really nothing special without displacement, or FI to make them come alive. I mean really...why would anyone be impressed with a 6.2L making 420+hp, when Ford is getting the job done with a 5.0L?

It brings me back to 2003 when the GM guys cried foul at the '03 Mustang Cobra for having a supercharger. Some of the diehards actually accused Ford of "cheating"?!? I mean...I guess we're just going to disregard the fact that GM has enjoyed a displacement advantage in general for the last 40-years? Morse so, lets also ignore the full 128-cubic inches separating the LS1 from the 4.6L modular of the time....it's all of the sudden NOW become unfair because Ford bolted an Eaton to their glorified Crown Vic engine?

If anything, the GM crowd should be thankful that Ford decides to stick with the nostalgia trend and keep the Coyote in the 5.0L range. I shudder to think what they'd be capable of in 6.0L...or heaven forbid 7.0L displacement. Any bets as to how the LS7 might fair against a 7.0L Coyote?

I totally agree though, we're not gonna see 5.0L TiVCT engines coming down in price anytime soon...but then they're still fairly new....and unlike GM, Ford doesn't stick them in anything with wheels. It'll take a while for the market to saturate. Again, not hating on the LS engines. They make great power, they're simple and for the most part efficient. They're just not the top of the food chain any longer.

 

[krazedstang]

I was actually being facetious with the "idiot" comment....hence my very next sentence starting with "Seriously though..."

While it's true the Coyote isn't the most advance engines out there, it's still light years ahead of the LS series platform. Again...these LS engines wouldn't be near as powerful or coveted as they are without all that displacement backing them up.

While it's true the LS blocks can handle power levels surpassing 1,200hp (which I will give GM loads of credit for).....realistically, how many people are pushing them to that level? Heck....how many people are pushing them to half those power levels? I'll bet less than 1% of owners. For the most part, most LS engines prowling the streets seem to running within the 350-650hp range. Coyote's have proven reliable...dare I say comfortable in those power ranges.

As far as displacement goes, you don't see the guys doing the 4.8L swaps running them N/A. Heck, they have trouble matching the output of the last N/A 3V & 4V 4.6L engine without a power adder. Every time in recent history GM has tried to go cubic inch, for cubic inch with Ford, they've been blown off the map! I can't stress how much these engines are really nothing special without displacement, or FI to make them come alive. I mean really...why would anyone be impressed with a 6.2L making 420+hp, when Ford is getting the job done with a 5.0L?

It brings me back to 2003 when the GM guys cried foul at the '03 Mustang Cobra for having a supercharger. Some of the diehards actually accused Ford of "cheating"?!? I mean...I guess we're just going to disregard the fact that GM has enjoyed a displacement advantage in general for the last 40-years? Morse so, lets also ignore the full 128-cubic inches separating the LS1 from the 4.6L modular of the time....it's all of the sudden NOW become unfair because Ford bolted an Eaton to their glorified Crown Vic engine?

If anything, the GM crowd should be thankful that Ford decides to stick with the nostalgia trend and keep the Coyote in the 5.0L range. I shudder to think what they'd be capable of in 6.0L...or heaven forbid 7.0L displacement. Any bets as to how the LS7 might fair against a 7.0L Coyote?

I totally agree though, we're not gonna see 5.0L TiVCT engines coming down in price anytime soon...but then they're still fairly new....and unlike GM, Ford doesn't stick them in anything with wheels. It'll take a while for the market to saturate. Again, not hating on the LS engines. They make great power, they're simple and for the most part efficient. They're just not the top of the food chain any longer.

That. was. amazing. Can I print that and mail it to all my LS loving friends?