Over Fueling.

Here i seperated them and made them easier to read. Maybe jrichker will chime in soon.
As far as the timing , dude you need a timing light and you need to set it that way spout disconnected to 10*

koeo codes.
coolant temp sensor out of specific range
map out of specific range
tps out of specific range,
lean fuel mixture at wide open throttle
egr not operating properly
fuel mixture rich
koer codes.
thermactor air circuit/integrated controller circuit,
tps out of specific range,
thermactor air circuit,
low speed fuel pump relay,
tps or circuit,
evap volt above closed unit.
all these codes and there all sensors..wonder if this motor was put in and hacked wireing by previous owner.
Please post the exact code numbers you got. That way there will be no possibility of a mismatch between what you posted and the code definitions and fixes I post in response to your request.
 
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it was hard to distinguish the codes i recorded them on video to read and double check, ill post the numbers once i get back home and have the paper in front of me. i got some codes twice during the koeo and koer tests, is that normal? or did i miss read them?
 
Yes, it's possible to get the same codes twice.


That's a LOT of codes. Makes me wonder if the car is hacked together. How is the wiring? Are the harnesses intact or do you see a lot of splicing?

This is an '87 right? Is it an original 5.0 or a 4-banger thatt's been converted?
 
I got an idea. Use a meter and test the ohm between the ground on the battery, and the black/white wire on any of the sensors. The easiest to get to is the ECT sensor which is near the distributor, a little to the passenger side on the black water tube. Its not far from your distributor or water pump. I had this sort of problem, and it ended up being a burnt trace inside the computer. If you get more than 1 ohm, you have an issue with the wiring. I got codes for all those sensors myself. After i fixed the issue that caused the burnt trace, and fixed the burnt trace in the computer, my car runs sweet. The burnt trace is simple to fix in the computer. A little piece of wire and a little solder will get it done. EASY. But first you need to see if this is your issue.

Check out my thread when i had these issues. Read thru it, and you can see what i went thru.
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/threads/mass-air-sensor-for-a-tune-help.869604/
 
koeo
38
82
23
81
83
63
34
63
34
asi mentioned some codes flased twice, that is the order and shows the multiple codes, i will watch videos agian and make sure nothing was missed and there all correct.
 
These are common codes and digging the computer out is step 100. Your on step 2. I assume you posted key on engine off first amd then reposted key on engine running. Focus on the engine off codes first. Some will fix koer codes. Jrichker will chime back in with some direction.
 
its an easy check to. use a paper clip stuck into the connector on the sensor, makes it waaaaaaay easier. And make sure you ground the lead to the battery. Ohhh wait i forgot one important thing, disconnect the POS bat cable. oops. almost forgot. you need to do that when anyone tells you to get a resistance reading. Make sure you remember that.

The moron that owned my car before me had tied all the clutch sense wires together. DUMBASS!!!! This put 12v into that black/white wire, which goes to all your sensors. That one wire is very important to your car running right.

If you get more than 1 ohm between the ground and the black/white wire, next step is to pull the computer out, disconnect it, and test resistance between the ground on the bat and pin 42 on the computer connector. If that's less than 1 ohm, your looking good. If not, then there is a break in the wire somewhere. If it comes to that, we will deal with it.

If that test passess, time to test the computer. Test the resistance between pin 46, 40, and 60. Should all be less than 1 ohm. If pin 46 is more than 1 ohm, there is your issue, a burnt trace on the computer. Easy fix.

Seriously read that thread i posted in my last message. It will help you.

If you get less than 1 ohm on the black/white wire and bat ground, then i don't think you need to continue. There is probably another issue. Just trying to cover your bases. Might want to take a peak at your clutch switches to, because if the PO tied all the wires together like my PO, it burns the computer. Goodluck bro.
 
jcgafford you are right, but why not check the black/white wire resistance. It takes 5min to do. When i had all those codes, the whole problem for me was that wire. Its an easy check, why not. Just trying to save him some time, that's all.
Because all of these codes are believable. Tps and oxygen sensor type things. He'll spend more time chasing ghosts. Most of the time one code fixes or explains another. The computer and its grounds are not the problem here. Or at least not yet.
 
i read thru your thread wicked 5.0, i will tey to test the resistance on a few sensors tomorrow and see what turns up, i dont have to dig to get to much as the car is basically disassembled inside and out to be restored. all this electrical seems overwhelming, its one thing i hate. also i notticed on your thread a diagram for the thermactor and i it showed a smog pump, i dont belive mine has one.
 
No smog, no oxygen sensors and I am betting no cats. Typical backyard mechanic wanna be race car crap. Fix your codes one at a time. I bet your codes are correct as they reflect the mods done to the car. Get it back to a stock like running condition. Then start personalizing it.
 
its has oxygen sensors, was missing one, but now it has both, all vacuum lines are there, im just not sure if it has a smog pump, i never notticed, and yes it is missing the cats, the just an h pipe to flowmasters out the back.
 
This is for the first batch of codes, I'll get the second batch later today...

Code 21 – ECT sensor out of range. Broken or damaged wiring, bad ECT sensor.
Note that that if the outside air temp is below 50 degrees F that the test for the ECT can be in error. Warm the engine up until you get good hot air from the heater and then dump the codes again.

The ECT sensor has absolutely nothing to do with the temperature gauge. They are different animals. The ECT sensor is normally located it the passenger side front of the engine in the water feed tubes for the heater.

The ACT & ECT have the same thermistor, so the table values are the same

ACT & ECT test data:

Use Pin 46 on the computer for ground for both ECT & ACT to get most accurate readings.

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. at 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Pin 25 on the computer - ACT signal in. at 50 degrees F it should be 3.5 volts. It is a good number if the ACT is mounted in the inlet airbox. If it is mounted in the lower intake manifold, the voltage readings will be lower because of the heat transfer.

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Voltages may be measured across the ECT/ACT by probing the connector from the rear. A pair of safety pins may be helpful in doing this. Use care in doing it so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

Here's the table :

50 degrees F = 3.52 v
68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61
212 degrees F = .47 v
230 degrees F = .36 v
248 degrees F = .28 v

Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with the sensor disconnected.

50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms
212 degrees F = 2.07 K ohms
230 degrees F = 1.55 K ohms
248 degrees F = 1.18 k ohms

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds
(website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg

Code 22 is a MUST fix...
MAP/BARO sensor operation and code 22

Revised 19-Jul-2011 to add functional descriptions for MAP and BARO operation.

On a Speed Density car, the MAP/BARO sensor is connected to the intake manifold and acts to sense the manifold pressure. Lower vacuum inside the intake manifold when combined with more throttle opening measured by the TPS means more airflow through the engine. As airflow increases, fuel flow through the injectors needs to increase to keep the air/fuel ratio where it needs to be. When manifold vacuum increases, the engine is either decelerating or idling, and it needs to reduce the fuel flow through the injectors.

On a Mass Air car, the MAP/BARO sensor vents to open air and actually senses the barometric pressure due to changes in weather and altitude. Its purpose is to set a baseline for the computer to know the barometric pressure. As barometric pressure decreases, it leans out the fuel flow to compensate for less oxygen in the air. When the barometric pressure rises, it increases to add fuel since there is more oxygen in the air. The fuel requirements decrease as altitude increases, since the atmospheric pressure decreases.

Disconnecting the MAP or BARO sensor will set code 22.

Misconnecting the BARO sensor to vacuum on a Mass Air car will cause the computer to lean out the fuel mixture.

Code 22 or 126 MAP (vacuum) or BARO signal out of range. The MAP or BARO sensor is pretty much the same sensor for both Mass Air & Speed Density cars. The main difference is where it is connected. Mass Air cars vent it to the atmosphere, while Speed Density cars connect it to the intake manifold vacuum. Its purpose is to help set a baseline for the air/fuel mixture by sensing changes in barometric pressure. The MAP or BAP sensor puts out a 5 volt square wave that changes frequency with variations in atmospheric pressure. The base is 154 HZ at 29.92" of mercury - dry sunny day at sea level, about 68-72 degrees. You need an oscilloscope or frequency meter to measure it. There a very few DVM’s with a price tag under $40 that will measure frequency, but there are some out there.

The MAP/BARO sensor is mounted on the firewall behind the upper manifold on 86-93 Mustangs.

Baro or MAP test using a real frequency meter - run the test key on, engine off. The noise from the ignition system will likely upset the frequency meter. I used a 10 x oscilloscope probe connected from the frequency meter to the MAP/BAP to reduce the jitter in the meter's readout. And oscilloscope is very useful if you have access to one or know of someone who does. With an oscilloscope, you can see the waveform and amplitude.

If it is defective, your air/fuel ratio will be off and the car’s performance & emissions will suffer

Some basic checks you can make to be sure that the sensor is getting power & ground:
Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.
Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the MAP/BARO sensor and then the black/white wire on the EGR and the same wire on the TPS. It should be less than 1 ohm. Next check the resistance between the black/white wire and the negative battery cable. It should be less than 1.5 ohm.

The following power on check requires you to turn the ignition switch to the Run position.
Use a DVM to check for 5 volts on the orange/white wire. If it is missing, look for +5 volts at the orange/white wire on the TPS or EGR sensors. Use the black/white wire for the ground for the DVM.

Code 23 - Throttle sensor out of range or throttle set too high - TPS needs to be reset to below 1.2 volts at idle. Keep in mind that when you turn the idle screw to set the idle speed, you change the TPS setting.
You'll need a Digital Voltmeter (DVM) to do the job.

Wire colors & functions:
Orange/white = 5 volt VREF from the computer
Dark Green/lt green = TPS output to computer
Black/white = Signal ground from computer

Always use the Dark Green/lt green & Black/white wires to set the TPS base voltage.

Do the test with the ignition switch in the Run position without the engine running.

Use the Orange/white & Black white wires to verify the TPS has the correct 5 volts source from the computer.

When you installed the sensor make sure you place it on the peg right and then tighten it down properly. Loosen the back screw a tiny bit so the sensor can pivot and loosen the front screw enough so you can move it just a little in very small increments. I wouldn’t try to adjust it using marks. Set it at .6.v-.9 v.

1. Always adjust the TPS and Idle with the engine at operating temp. Dive it around for a bit if you can and get it nice and warm.

2. When you probe the leads of the TPS, do not use an engine ground, put the ground probe into the lead of the TPS. You should be connecting both meter probes to the TPS and not one to the TPS and the other to ground.

If setting the TPS doesn’t fix the problem, then you may have wiring problems.
With the power off, measure the resistance between the black/white wire and battery ground. You should see less than 2 ohms. Check the same black /white wire on the TPS and MAP/Baro sensor. More than 1 ohm there and the wire is probably broken in the harness between the engine and the computer. The 10 pin connectors pass the black/white wire back to the computer, and can cause problems.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

See http://fordfuelinjection.com/index.php?p=6 for more wiring help & 10 pin connector diagrams

Code 42 & 92 (engine running) System rich - Fuel control or (memory) System was rich for 15 seconds or more (no HO2S switching) - Fuel control. Look for leaking injectors, fuel pressure too high, cylinder(s) not firing due to bad ignition.
Code 42 is the RH side sensor,
Code 92 is the LH side sensor.

Testing the O2 sensors
Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.

There is a fuse link for the O2 sensor heater power. According to Ranchero50, it is in the wiring near the passenger side hood hinge. Measuring the voltages will give a clue if it has shorted to the O2 sensor signal lead. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.


Code 33 - Insufficient EGR flow detected.
Look for vacuum leaks, cracked vacuum lines, failed EGR vacuum regulator. Check to see if you have 10” of vacuum at the EGR vacuum connection coming from the intake manifold. Look for electrical signal at the vacuum regulator solenoid valves located on the rear of the passenger side wheel well. Using a test light across the electrical connector, it should flicker as the electrical signal changes. Remember that the computer does not source any power, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.
Check for resistance between the brown/lt green wire on the EGR sensor and pin 27 on the computer: you should have less than 1.5 ohm.

Backside view of the computer wiring connector:
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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.

connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve or see the EGR test jig drawing below. Connnect the test jig or to directly to manifold vacuum.

Do not connect the EGR test jig to the EVR (Electronic Vacuum Regulator).


apply 5in vacuum to the valve. Using the test jig, use your finger to vary the vacuum

if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.

if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.

if engine stumbled, connect EGR test jig to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve.
Use your finger to cap the open port on the vacuum tee.
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?
if not the EVR has failed

EGR test jig
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The operation of the EGR vacuum regulator can be checked by using a test light applied across the wiring connector. Jumper the computer into self test mode and turn the key on but do not start the engine. You will hear all the actuators (including the EVR vacuum regulator) cycle. Watch for the light to flicker: that means the computer has signaled the EGR vacuum regulator successfully.
 
wow, way to much electrical work for me, i knownothing about electrical and i get confused and frustrated easy with it, might just be time to sell it. crazy it ran great and one day all this just started hapening