Illuminator
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I think you're getting Alzheimer's in your old age too. You replied to my post 4-times.
That was this craptop......is showed as unposted so I nailed the post key a few more times....oops
What Freakin Tires???
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Illuminator
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I'll try and get a few pix, mind you my car needs paint n body done..... Want to finish the majority of mechanical stuff first. No suggestions for alignment???
I installed 245/45/17 sumitomas on the front of my car with eibach suspension. MM c+c plates and UPR bump steer kit solved all my problems and mm alignment specs
I work remotely and my hours changed recently to 3a-1p
The Specs are in the install PDF
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/content/install/pdf/front_susp/MMCC9093r6.pdf
mikestang63
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Not to hijack the thread, but I'm looking at replacement tires as well. Presently the car has Nexen 3000 245/45/17 on all four feet . These tires get great reviews and are less than $100 each. You guys have any thoughts?
I've got them on my car....they seem peachy. From a traction standpoint, it's tough to say because my 331 would probably obliterate any of them, but lateral grip seems great. Ride compliance is fine. They seem to be wearing well. No complaints.
Illuminator
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The Sumotomo's arent bad....hard to get used to the car not sliding out with pedal now, need to get alignment squared away tho, the tracking on our crappy roads in So Cal is a bear
mikestang63
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I've been really interested in tires lately, because I just did a lot of research before settling on some Bridgestone RE11s for my '97 corvette. So, after hearing your recommendation, I decided to look up the Nexen tires. Unfortunately, it didn't go so well for them.
Now, I don't mean to be a dick and shoot you down, but they didn't do too well in the only comparison test I could find. I gotcha, on the fact that it's a budget tire, though.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm
Now, here're two tires I would recommend as an alternative at the same price: Sumitomo HTR Z III ($93/tire), and the Hankook Ventus Evo K110 ($106/tire)
While doing my research for the vette, there were a lot of people recommending these two tires. The tire rack test showing that the cheaper HTR ZIIIs are actually quicker can be found here. While a general comparison of all max performance tires that tire rack tested, which shows the K110s are rated better by customers can be found here.
For my performance on a budget, I'd be throwing on a set of Sumitomos.
Now, I don't mean to be a dick and shoot you down, but they didn't do too well in the only comparison test I could find. I gotcha, on the fact that it's a budget tire, though.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm
Now, here're two tires I would recommend as an alternative at the same price: Sumitomo HTR Z III ($93/tire), and the Hankook Ventus Evo K110 ($106/tire)
While doing my research for the vette, there were a lot of people recommending these two tires. The tire rack test showing that the cheaper HTR ZIIIs are actually quicker can be found here. While a general comparison of all max performance tires that tire rack tested, which shows the K110s are rated better by customers can be found here.
For my performance on a budget, I'd be throwing on a set of Sumitomos.
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mikestang63
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Appreciate the feedback, but I read the following about those Simitomos and am not impressed. The UTOG is only a 300 and the dry and wet traction only a single A. Compare that with the Nexen 3000 with a UTOG of 340 and a AA- A rating. Plus from what I've read, Nexen is a subsidiary of Michelin and if you look at their tread patterns, they are very similar. Almost every vendor- Tire Rack, Tire buyer, etc. rate the Nexen very highly.
Some reviews of the Sumitomos.
http://mustangforums.com/forum/s197-handling-section/577960-sumitomo-htrziii-review-2.html
COMPARISON:
The Sumitomo HTRZIII shown below has little to know siping, has very straight thread, but very solid tread with no evacuation void. so looking at this tire tells me a couple things.
First, the compound is very shiny (oil, bad for wet/snow)
no real siping (bad for snow)
no evacuation void (water will get trapped under the tire and cause hydroplaning.... bad in wet)
solid tread bands (should have decent stability in cornering)
Plus there is this
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2005-2010/62863-sumitomo-htr-z-iii.html
Again, not trying to start a pissing match, but I guess that's why Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors. I've had the Nexens on the car for a year and not a complaint. Probably have another 5-10K miles left on them before new ones are needed.
I got the sumi's myself and I feel they are a great street tire. Very grippy in a straight line or in the corners. I got them because they were a little cheaper than the conti dws's I usually get for my sport cars.
No offense taken, Mike.
Yeah, that does look concerning. Something I would definitely research more before committing to them. They are cheap as hell, though if a tire that's half the price lasts 1/2 as long you're not saving any money. If you think you'll be able to find a cheap tire that doesn't have negative reviews, you're in for a rude awakening. I'll avoid finding them for the Nexens, because again I think individual reviews don't hold much water unless you read like 30+ and see a large general trend.
Also, where are you buying these nexens? At walmart, they're pretty expensive ($144/tire). Amazon = 140/tire. Those prices put it in an entirely different league of tire (Continental ExtremeContact DWs price out around $130/tire)
- http://www.amazon.com/NEXEN-N3000-45-17-Tire-2454517/dp/B00BTYQECY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1377408981&sr=8-5&keywords=nexen tires n3000 245
- http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/nexen-tires
I'm not entirely sure how those ratings are given, but I've seen pretty wide variance in tires with the same or similar ratings. Huge variance, actually. A lot of people say that the manufacturer has a lot of leeway in their tire ratings. I don't know if that's true. Regardless 300 vs. 340 is not enough to draw a real-world longevity conclusion from, IMO. AA- vs. A in the dry doesn't seem like a strong argument in the face of an actual test showing how they perform in comparison with other tires.
Do you have any other direct comparisons? I prefer comparisons to the subjective reviews of individuals. I see so many people who "love" their tires, only to find out that those tires do not perform very well when compared to others.
Keep in mind the context of this discussion. We are talking "Ultra High Performance Directional Summer" in Nexen's own words. This does not imply bad wet handling, but does imply a focus on dry traction. It is safe to say that summer max performance tires are not going to do well in snow, and that they may give up some wet handling. Though that's not always true. The treads on the nexens look designed for excellent wet performance.
Yeah, that does look concerning. Something I would definitely research more before committing to them. They are cheap as hell, though if a tire that's half the price lasts 1/2 as long you're not saving any money. If you think you'll be able to find a cheap tire that doesn't have negative reviews, you're in for a rude awakening. I'll avoid finding them for the Nexens, because again I think individual reviews don't hold much water unless you read like 30+ and see a large general trend.
Also, where are you buying these nexens? At walmart, they're pretty expensive ($144/tire). Amazon = 140/tire. Those prices put it in an entirely different league of tire (Continental ExtremeContact DWs price out around $130/tire)
- http://www.amazon.com/NEXEN-N3000-45-17-Tire-2454517/dp/B00BTYQECY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1377408981&sr=8-5&keywords=nexen tires n3000 245
- http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/nexen-tires
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Wow, high praise from tire rack for the Sumis. I'm not really biased here, man. I would probably never consider putting these tires on my cars except maybe on the beater Bimmer if other summer tires weren't cheaper.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=93
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=149
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=93
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=149
I've got them on my DD. They are decent for the price, but suck in even light snow, even on my Volvo with traction control. Had to put my Hakapaleeta's on in the middle of my driveway last fall when we got hit with snow in October! :meh
