Hey guys I have a 96 3.8 it cranks all day but wont start the fuel pump isnt coming on and has no power the inertia switch is good fuse is good all that mess now I found that the ccrm is getting all powerexcept to pin 10 which should be power from the fuse hot all times and the fuse isnt blowing so iknow i dont have a short to ground any ides or thoughts would be greatly appreciated im going to start tracing wiring tomorr to see whats going on there
96 3.8 Crank No Start
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hve you tried pulling the battey terminals off to try an reset the ecu..... does it throw any codes.
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OBVIOUSLY POWER IS GOING SOME WHERE ELSE.... OR BAD GROUND SOME PLACE. COULD BE A BAD GROUND COMING FROM THE FUEL TANK TO THE CAR... BC U SAY I DID RUN THENN BLEW A FUSE. OR SHORT CIRCUIT. COULD YOU POSSIBLY MAKE A PARRALLEL CIRCUIT USING WIRE FROM PIN 10 TO ANOTHER PIN AN SEE IF IT WILL EVEN HOLD POWER ON ITS OWN. IF NOT THEN PIN 10 IS DEAD!
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Some EEC relay diagnostics: If it seems like none of the EEC systems are receiving power (underhood solenoids, fuel injectors, etc), here’s a place to look. First check the PCM/CCRM fuse in the underhood fuse box (20 amps). Also check the ignition switch fuses.
At the CCRM (Constant Control Relay Module – the black box mounted on the radiator overflow bracket): With the key turned to run, check Pin 12 and 24 for accessory power. If it’s there, the issue lies past the CCRM. If there’s no power: Check CCRM Pins 8 and 10 for constant 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 13 for accessory 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 15 for ground. If 8, 10, 13 and 15 are present (this requires the key to be on), but 12 and 24 are not showing 12 volts, that suggests a bad EEC relay inside the CCRM.
Fuel pump relay diagnostics: First, always check the inertia switch in the trunk and the fuel pump fuse in the underhood fuse box (20 amps). Also check the ignition switch fuses. With the key turned to run and checking within the fuel pump prime-out period (a duration of 2-5 seconds after turning the key to run): Check CCRM pin 5 for accessory 12 volts. If you have it, the issue lies downstream. If not: Check CCRM Pin 11 for constant 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 13 for accessory 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 18 for a ground signal during the prime-out.
If this is all good, check the inertia switch (located in the driver side trunk, adjacent the tail light) and fuel pump electrical connector at the tank.
Fan relay diagnostics (EDF and HEDF): Low speed fan relay diagnostics (the fan circuit is rather broad given the EDF module), so only relay ins/outs are noted here:
If low speed isn’t coming on, but you are getting 12 volts to CCRM Pin 14 at or greater than 208*F and the fuses are intact: With the key on, check CCRM Pins 1 and 2 for twelve volts when the fan should be on. If there’s not 12 volts: Check Pin 15 for ground. Check pins 3 and 4 for constant 12 volts.
If high speed doesn’t come on at ~228F or with the A/C turned on, but CCRM Pin 17 shows continuity to ground: With the key-on, check CCRM pins 6 and 7 for 12 volts when the high speed fan should be on. Check Pins 3 and 4 for constant 12 volts. Check Pin 13 for key-on 12 volts.
At the CCRM (Constant Control Relay Module – the black box mounted on the radiator overflow bracket): With the key turned to run, check Pin 12 and 24 for accessory power. If it’s there, the issue lies past the CCRM. If there’s no power: Check CCRM Pins 8 and 10 for constant 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 13 for accessory 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 15 for ground. If 8, 10, 13 and 15 are present (this requires the key to be on), but 12 and 24 are not showing 12 volts, that suggests a bad EEC relay inside the CCRM.
Fuel pump relay diagnostics: First, always check the inertia switch in the trunk and the fuel pump fuse in the underhood fuse box (20 amps). Also check the ignition switch fuses. With the key turned to run and checking within the fuel pump prime-out period (a duration of 2-5 seconds after turning the key to run): Check CCRM pin 5 for accessory 12 volts. If you have it, the issue lies downstream. If not: Check CCRM Pin 11 for constant 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 13 for accessory 12 volts. Check CCRM Pin 18 for a ground signal during the prime-out.
If this is all good, check the inertia switch (located in the driver side trunk, adjacent the tail light) and fuel pump electrical connector at the tank.
Fan relay diagnostics (EDF and HEDF): Low speed fan relay diagnostics (the fan circuit is rather broad given the EDF module), so only relay ins/outs are noted here:
If low speed isn’t coming on, but you are getting 12 volts to CCRM Pin 14 at or greater than 208*F and the fuses are intact: With the key on, check CCRM Pins 1 and 2 for twelve volts when the fan should be on. If there’s not 12 volts: Check Pin 15 for ground. Check pins 3 and 4 for constant 12 volts.
If high speed doesn’t come on at ~228F or with the A/C turned on, but CCRM Pin 17 shows continuity to ground: With the key-on, check CCRM pins 6 and 7 for 12 volts when the high speed fan should be on. Check Pins 3 and 4 for constant 12 volts. Check Pin 13 for key-on 12 volts.
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