Intake Question Want Better Flow

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I am very new to the fuel injection stuff. I have been old school working with carbs. With the better flow exhaust I think I should have more air intake but now sure. I was wondering if a bigger throttle body would be the answer and if so do I need to change the mass air also?
 

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Stock air intake setup is pretty much a cold air intake already. Not much to improve unless you want looks.

A decent intake to go with that's cheap is an explorer setup. You can get them for around $100 with the 65mm TB. Takes a little modification to work on a 5.0 Mustang, but nothing complicated.

A 94-95 GT 70mm MAF is also a good part to swap out.

For under $200, you can have a pretty decent upgrade. At that point, your main choke point would be the heads.
 
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With stock heads don't worry about spending "big" dollars on aftermarket intakes. Go with the explorer stuff. Best bang for the $$. Now if you plan on using some good alum heads then buy a good intake,mas,tb,etc
 
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I agree...if you toss some big dollar performance heads on, you'll want nicer intake stuff.

With the stock heads, the explorer stuff is more than adequate, and cheap.
 
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All good points above. Only thing I'll add is for $30 grab a 94-95 mustang 70MM MAF as well. You'll need either an adapter which they sell on Ebay or fab one up. It's a plug and play swap that increases the MAF area from the stock 58MM.
 
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Everything you could ever want to know about Explorer/GT40 intake manifolds: http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=551505

Explorer intake swap.

I got mine off a 96 Mountaineer with the 19# injectors and 65 MM throttle body for $250.

The ACT (Air Charge Temp) sensor will probably need to be moved. The GT 40 lower manifold isn't drilled & tapped for it to go into the intake like the stock manifold was. There is a boss cast into the GT 40, but a machine shop will have to drill & tap the new manifold. The best spot for the ACT is the air box if you don't do the drill and tap thing. You get to cut and splice the 2 ACT wires in order to make them long enough to reach the air box. Solder the wire extensions on the existing wires & use heat shrink tubing to cover the splices. Offset the place where you cut the wires so that you don't have a big bulge when you put heat shrink over the 2 wires to cover & protect them. The air box gets a hole (5/8" or so) for the ACT drilled about 1 1/4" down & 1/1/4" in on the front top side near the upper radiator hose. A brass fitting nut from Home Depot or Ace Hardware secures the ACT into the air box.

If you are very clever, you will find that the ACT connector comes apart so that you can remove the pins. A very small screwdriver releases the lock in the front of the center insert, while another small screwdriver inserted in the back pushes it out. Once the center insert is out of the connector shell, the pins come out easily. New pins are available from AutoZone in a $5 electrical pin kit for Fords. Crimping the pins on the extender wires saves you from having to splice them twice: once to put the connector on and once to extend the wires.

6 ft black 18 gauge wire
6 ft green 18 gauge wire
6 ft 1/4" heat shrink tubing
1 ft 3/16" heat shrink tubing

Measure the 2 extender wires & cut them to length, crimp one set of pins on them. Then mate up the extender pins with the wiring harness & slide the 3/16" heat shrink tubing over them & shrink the tubing. Then slide the 1/4" heat shrink tubing over the pair of wires and shrink the tubing. When you are done you'll have about 1" of wire left without heat shrink tubing on it to strip & crimp the new pins on. Stick the new pins in the old connector shell, assemble it and you are done. It looks as good as factory. Some wire loom can be used to enhance the "Factory Look".

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Use the TPS and IAB from your old throttle body. All the EGR passages were there and fit OK. Use you old fuel rails and regulator. You will probably need a new EGR spacer adapter and gaskets. Without the EGR spacer, there is no place to mount the throttle linkage support bracket.

I used the stock water lines on the Explorer manifold and they connected up to the EGR without any problems. I made a “U” out of ½” copper pipe and sweat soldered it together. Then I used it and some hose with clamps to bypass the leaky heater.

The vacuum lines you need are 1 small line for fuel pressure regulator, 1 small line for A/C,1 small line for EGR and another small line for the smog pump. One big line at the back goes to the vacuum tree for the power brake & A/C, one big line goes to the PVC valve. The other big line goes out the front for the carbon canister. In a pinch, one of the small lines can connect to the spare port on the vacuum tree. Cap or plug the remaining lines since they aren't needed.

The stock Explorer linkage didn't come anywhere near fitting, so I made an adapter plate for the throttle linkage so I could use the 65 MM throttle body.

This is what I did:
Make a drawing of the position of the old throttle body linkage arm and its angular position relative to the centerline of the throttle body. Remove the ball stud off the explorer TB to make way for the adapter plate. Drill and tap a 10-32 hole in the linkage parallel to the TB shaft. Make an angle bracket out of 1" angle iron 3/8", drill a 3/16” hole in the center of each one of the legs. Then bolt it on where the hole was drilled & tapped. Then make a circular adapter plate out of 1/4" thick aluminum to bolt the two linkage arms together. Then bolt the aluminum plate to the existing linkage, and the angle bracket. Next mount the arm with the ball stud off the old throttle body on the adapter plate using the drawing to get the angle correct. You will need an aircraft type countersink for one of the bolts that secures the plate to the explorer linkage arm. It ends up being under the arm with the ball stud for the linkage. It works great and looks neat.

The Explorer TB could have been real simple if I had a gas welding torch or taken the TB to a welding shop. Just grind the mushroomed part of the TB shafts so that you can pry the linkage arms off. Then swap the stock arm onto the Explorer TB and braze it onto the shaft. It Takes about 3 minutes or less worth of work with the torch, so it shouldn't cost much.

I didn't have access to a welder, so I fabb'ed the plate in my shop. I took about 1.5 hours to do it, it was a measure, cut, and fit type of operation.

Also see http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ConvertingExplorer65mmTB.pdf for modifications to adapt the 65 MM Explorer TB to a Mustang

Vacuum line connections:
One large vacuum line from the upper front goes to the carbon canister

One large vacuum line from the rear goes to the vacuum tree.

One small line in the front feeds the Smog pump solenoid control valves on the rear of the passenger side wheel well..

One small line in the rear goes to the fuel pressure regulator.

One small line in the rear goes to the EGR suction regulator.

One large line in the rear goes to the PVC valve.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds - Typical Vacuum Routing for a Fox stang 5.0:
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Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds - Intake manifold bolt tightening sequence for a 5.0 Fox stang:
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Intake manifold to head bolts
--Step 1 96 in/lbs
--Step 2 16ft/lbs
--Step 3 23-25 ft/lbs

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Here's some tips...

Tools: a good torque wrench is a must have item. A razor blade scraper that holds a single edge razor blade from Home Depot or Ace hardware is another handy thing. Get a Chilton or Haynes shop manual - you'll need it for the bolt torques and patterns. The intake manifold has an especially odd pattern. You'll need access to a timing light to set the timing after you re-stab the distributor. Look in the A/C repair section for the fuel line tools. They look like little plastic top hats. You will need the 1/2" & 5/8" ones. The hat shaped section goes on facing the large part of the coupling. Then you press hard on the brim until it forces the sleeve into the coupling and releases the spring. You may need someone to pull on the line while you press on the coupling. Put some motor oil on them when you put the line back together.

The A/C Compressor comes off with lines still connected. Mark all the electrical, smog and vacuum lines with tags to help you remember where to re-connect them. If you have a digital camera, take several pictures.

Whatever you do, don't skimp on cleaning the gasket surfaces. New gaskets need to seat against bare metal and not the residue left from the old gaskets in order to seal leak free. This is the most time consuming and tiresome part of the job. Put some cardboard in the lifter valley to help catch the gasket scrapings. Have a shop vacuum handy to suck up the scrapings and any coolant that leaked into the lifter valley.
Look for little things that need to be replaced like the short hose from the thermostat hosing to the water pump, damaged vacuum lines and hose clamps that are rusted or broken.

Plan on cutting the thermostat to water pump hose, or removing the thermostat housing. Also plan on removing the distributor to get clearance to remove the intake manifold. Remove #1 spark plug, stick your finger in the spark plug hole and crank. When your finger gets air moving past it, stop cranking. Turn the engine until the timing marks line up with the pointer. Now you can pull the distributor out. Be sure to put a rag or cap in the block where you removed the distributor. It will save you trouble if something falls into the empty distributor hole.


My favorite trick that saves time and effort is the stay in place gasket. Be sure that you scrape (don't use a wire brush) all the old gasket material off, then clean all the surfaces with acetone or MEK.

When the surfaces are clean, use weather strip adhesive on the head to manifold surface. Also use the weather strip adhesive on the side of the gasket that mates to the head. When you are done, the head surface and the gasket surface that mate together will have weather strip adhesive on them. Follow the instructions on the tube or can and when it gets tacky, press the gasket down on the head.

Clean the area where the rubber rails mount to the block in front and in the rear with more acetone or MEK and do the same trick with the weather strip adhesive that you did to the heads.

Coat the rubber seals and the gasket area around the water passages with lots of Blue Silicone gasket sealer and put it together. TADA! no leaks, and no gaskets that shifted out of place.

Fuel injector seal kits with 2 O rings and a pintle cap (Borg-Warner P/N 274081) are available at Pep Boys auto parts. Cost is about $3-$4 per kit. The following are listed at the Borg-Warner site ( http://www.borg-warner.com ) as being resellers of Borg-Warner parts:

http://www.partsplus.com/ or http://www.autovalue.com/ or http://www.pepboys.com/ or http://www.federatedautoparts.com/

Most of the links above have store locators for find a store in your area.

Use motor oil on the O rings when you re-assemble them & everything will slide into place. The gasoline will wash away any excess oil that gets in the wrong places and it will burn up in the combustion chamber. Heat the pintle caps in boiling water to soften them to make them easier to install.

Plan on doing an oil change within 2 hours of run time on the engine. This will get the debris and coolant out of the oil pan.

Consumable items:
Upper manifold gasket
Fel Pro 1250 or equal lower manifold gasket set.
Short formed hose between thermostat hosing and intake manifold
6 ft 7/64" or 1/8" vacuum hose
2 ft 1/2" heater hose
1 1/2 ft 5/8" heater hose
Blue Silicone sealer
ARP antiseize or equal for the bolts
4 each 3/4" hose clamps (spare item in case the old ones are bad)
4 each 1/2" hose clamps (spare item)

What can happen if you don’t use the stay in place gasket…

Ask Nicoleb3x3 about the intake gasket that slipped out of place and caused idle and vacuum leak problems that could not be seen or found by external examination. Spay everything with anything you have, and you won't find the leak...
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Want to wear yourself out with info on the Explorer intake manifolds? See http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-for...d-gt-40-intake-thread-56k-dont-bother.551505/
 
This is great info, looking at doing same, only question I have is read allot about "accurate" air readings from #5 runner vs. air intake box/tube. What are you finding real world jrichker?

Thanks!
 
This is great info, looking at doing same, only question I have is read allot about "accurate" air readings from #5 runner vs. air intake box/tube. What are you finding real world jrichker?

Thanks!
Only the input I got from vristang who claims that the stock computer program expects the temp range that would be seen if the ACT is installed in #5 intake runner. See http://seattleblueovals.com/index.php?topic=206.0 for his comments.
 
I can't offer any empirical statistics or evidence, but in real world application I have never noticed any difference in mounting the ACT in the intake, air box, or even zip tying it off and affixing it to the firewall. It reads ambient temp. That being said, I drilled and tapped my explorer intake lower @ #5 and installed it there for a cleaner look.
 
Just an FYI, there are two major designs of Explorer intakes. Something to keep in mind when perusing the boneyard, or looking on CL or Ebay.

There's an early version with internal EGR, thicker manifold bolt bosses, and the appropriate ACT boss on the #5 runner that can be drilled and tapped. The vacuum plumbing under the intake is also more similar to the Mustangs. The later version (which there are more of) does not have the internal EGR, and the boss has been removed. You can still drill and tap it, but the metal is thinner here)

Easiest way to tell if the intake is still bolted on is the part number on the lower.

RF-F87E-9K461-BA is the early lower intake. This lower was also used in the 1993 Cobra Intake kit from Ford Racing, but with the ACT pre-drilled from Ford.

RF-F87E-9K461-BB is the later lower without EGR port and the ACT boss.

The part numbers are stamped on the lower right behind where the dist would sit. Really all you need to look for is -BA or -BB at the end.

Both will work fine, but if you see 5 explorers at the yard, and one has a -BA intake, take that one.
 
Thanks Guys! That Vristang info is really interesting. Really helps in seeing how the eec reacts to sensor input...

Having the intake part numbers is super helpful!
As Id want the earlier with bosses ....if I can,

Would y'all use a gt/40 / explorer with ported lower if you had your mind set on trickflow 170 heads and stage1 cam? Prob 70 mm TB...

It's a 89 vert street car that I want more go but still have excellent DD characteristics? The only quarter it will ever see is the one in the seat cushion ...

Thanks!
 
Thanks Guys! That Vristang info is really interesting. Really helps in seeing how the eec reacts to sensor input...

Having the intake part numbers is super helpful!
As Id want the earlier with bosses ....if I can,

Would y'all use a gt/40 / explorer with ported lower if you had your mind set on trickflow 170 heads and stage1 cam? Prob 70 mm TB...

It's a 89 vert street car that I want more go but still have excellent DD characteristics? The only quarter it will ever see is the one in the seat cushion ...

Thanks!

I'd prefer the TFS track or street heat intake as the ports will line up better, but the explorer intake will work.
 
Thanks Mikestang! At the end of the day is the street / track heat kit a good street solution then? I like it just want to keep good idle and bottom end....it sure makes getting parts easy ...But. I'd love to find a gt tubular upper

In your photo I looks like you're running a gt40 / explorer intake. What top end mods do you have?
 
Thanks Mikestang! At the end of the day is the street / track heat kit a good street solution then? I like it just want to keep good idle and bottom end....it sure makes getting parts easy ...But. I'd love to find a gt tubular upper

In your photo I looks like you're running a gt40 / explorer intake. What top end mods do you have?

If you already have the exlporer intake, you can run that, unless you want to sell it and find the TFS intakeHonestly, hundreds of guys run that setup fine. If you want, send the exlporer lower to Tom Moss for porting and it will outflow the TFS. The Explorer is a long runner setup that will give good low end torque.

I'm running a 96 explorer top end.. The lower intake was slightly ported, lower gasket matched, and upper opened to a 70MM TB. The heads are stock except I upgraded to TFS springs and new Ford seals. My car had only 50k miles, so i reused my old rockers and ordered new hardened pushrods .020" longer as I milled the heads to make sure they were straight and raised the compression a tad. Kept the stock cam as I'll change that to a FTI cam when I upgrade the heads to either TFS or AFR's.
 
I don't have anything yet. I'm pure stock other than upgraded rad, water pump, alt. etc. Cobra clutch, frpp steel flywheel, the front engine / suspension stuff that wore out over time and I upgraded while at it. My intent is to get her back to an awesome head turn street car since a new one is like 50 grand and I love my Fox...

I've read about tmoss and think its a good option if I go explorer...

I have over 200 k miles and she still runs like new.....will burn the tires anytime on take off till top end runs out Know I need to rebuild even tho no issues so trying to do it all at once for the next 25 years.

It's not my DD but want that style power upgrades...

So you can see my quandary. How much power upgrade is over the top...

This is that car that I will never sell or get rid of